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Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

Come, all you fair and tender maids
Who flourish in your pri-ime
Beware, take care, keep your garden fair
Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
Le-et Gnoman steal your thyme




Recreating cannae is extremely popular, in fiction and (attempted) in real life.

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Brolander
Oct 20, 2008

i am but a vessel

Vavrek posted:

All I know is that Kate Reading forgot Min's voice in the last few audiobooks. It's a consistent voice she uses, too, just not what she'd used for Min earlier and it sounds all wrong for Min. (Her Min voice was fine earlier, which is why I say "forgot".) It's kind of high and ... small?, when I think Min is always described as "low and throaty."

Yeah exactly, the audiobooks are what triggered this suspicion. She baby talks to rand

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




This might come as a surprise, but after reading some of Sanderson books, he doesn’t know how to write women.

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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i think in the majority of cases that should be implied when it comes to books of this sort

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

It really is a lovely hat

Johnny Joestar posted:

i think in the majority of cases that should be implied when it comes to books of this sort

You need more epic fantasy written by women in your life! I like recommending Michelle West, but Ursula K Leguin is a classic, as is Barbara Hambly, while for YA there is the prolific Tamara pierce.

Modern authors such as nk Jemisin, rf kuang, and Samantha Shannon are all there too. Most of these are even going to be available from your local library if you want to try them out instead of taking this goons word for it.


Anyways, Sanderson is workmanlike and I want more from my authors so I haven’t bothered with his oeuvre beyond the early stuff of his then DNF/bailing on his WOR stuff. He did the best I’d reasonably expect in finishing WoT, but it simply isn’t on par with the early Jordan books to me. Then again, EotW and TGH are quite the high bar.

Anias fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Jul 12, 2021

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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for the record i was mainly applying that to how men tend to make up the majority of the market and they generally don't have the most stellar track record in that area. i've always loved leguin's stuff. i've also read some good sherri s. tepper scifi, but my one criticism is that she tends to beat you over the head with her metaphors sometimes. any and all recommendations are always welcome, though.

overall sanderson isn't like the worst out there by any metric re: women, but he definitely has kind of that fumbling approach that many guys do where sometimes it feels like they don't know how they want to characterize someone, and i think that lead to some mild disconnects in wheel of time.

TURTLE SLUT
Dec 12, 2005

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/zack-stentz-to-pen-script-for-wheel-of-time-film-adaptation-1234981098/

Age of Legends movie trilogy planned, Amazon not involved. Lol

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

quote:

Age of Legends will be set several millennia before the time of the books and in a futuristic utopia powered by a magical force shared by men and women known as the One Power. When an unspeakable evil is unleashed upon the world and men using the One Power become insane and destroy much of the planet, a small band of women unite under the White Tower and are humanity’s last hope of survival.

Could be interesting if it's well written :shrug:

At first I thought it was going to be 3 movies based on the books and thought it was silly that Hollywood can stretch 1 book into 3 movies, and squish 14 books onto 3 movies - but yea obviously this is different 🙃

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice

quote:

No studio partner or distributor for the Age of Legends picture has yet been named.

Also the same shitlords who squatted the property before are the guys behind this so yeah

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
My guess is that the TV rights are separate from the film rights and Amazon and Jordan's widow figured attempting a film series was pointless and so whatever deal they had to strike to get the rights to make the series didn't get the film rights back. Now that the TV series is about to be a thing, they're trying to cash in again.

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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probably not worth paying any attention to, really

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice

Johnny Joestar posted:

probably not worth paying any attention to, really

To be fair maybe they'll kill somebody this time as well

aparmenideanmonad
Jan 28, 2004
Balls to you and your way of mortal opinions - you don't exist anyway!
Fun Shoe
Wait, the movie is from is the Red Eagle idiots who gave us the Billy Zane WINTER DRAGON pilot?

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Hahahaha no way

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice

aparmenideanmonad posted:

Wait, the movie is from is the Red Eagle idiots who gave us the Billy Zane WINTER DRAGON pilot?

Yeah Selvage and Mondragon are the members of the new Wheel of Time production holding company that superseded Red Eagle that are pushing this thing. (They're also named as producers on the show, but that was 100% just to get the rights to make a show based on the books shifted back)

The director on Winter Dragon tweeted that he'd been up for days finishing the edit on the thing and died in a car wreck about a week later, I'm good with blaming his death on Red Eagle.

coathat
May 21, 2007

They really should have made a TV series out of Jordan's american revolution book. It would have made for a great prestige drama around 2015.

aparmenideanmonad
Jan 28, 2004
Balls to you and your way of mortal opinions - you don't exist anyway!
Fun Shoe

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:

Yeah Selvage and Mondragon are the members of the new Wheel of Time production holding company that superseded Red Eagle that are pushing this thing. (They're also named as producers on the show, but that was 100% just to get the rights to make a show based on the books shifted back)

The director on Winter Dragon tweeted that he'd been up for days finishing the edit on the thing and died in a car wreck about a week later, I'm good with blaming his death on Red Eagle.

Well in that case I'll look forward to the inevitable low effort short film that will come from this.

Optimally we'll get 15 minutes of one of the forgettable Hemsworth bros as Charn from Rand's Rhuidean flashbacks with some really lovely 90s quality CGI of the Sharom exploding.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice
I think their exit strategy on this is to wait for the show to be a hit, and try to sell this to Sony or Amazon.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

coathat posted:

They really should have made a TV series out of Jordan's american revolution book. It would have made for a great prestige drama around 2015.

Just as well Red Eagle didn't get the rights to that or we'd be facing a Pornhub version of The Fallon Bone

seaborgium
Aug 1, 2002

"Nothing a shitload of bleach won't fix"




aparmenideanmonad posted:

Well in that case I'll look forward to the inevitable low effort short film that will come from this.

Optimally we'll get 15 minutes of one of the forgettable Hemsworth bros as Charn from Rand's Rhuidean flashbacks with some really lovely 90s quality CGI of the Sharom exploding.

The writer they got has some chops though. He did Thor and some other decent stuff, so hopefully it's at least decent. I think they're doing it now though because it would be worthless without the Amazon series to give some context.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
I do not think it will go beyond the script. This guy is getting a payday and nothing else.

th3t00t
Aug 14, 2007

GOOD CLEAN FOOTBALL
3 movies starring Billy Zane? Mother's milk in a cup!

Brolander
Oct 20, 2008

i am but a vessel
*nervous laughter*

https://twitter.com/rafejudkins/status/1416083127928246278?s=20

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice
https://twitter.com/WotTVSeries/status/1416150428224561155

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE
End of summer is in September? That's still a long way off!

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice
So apparently they've started filming S2, with a shooting schedule that ends in February.

seaborgium
Aug 1, 2002

"Nothing a shitload of bleach won't fix"




Looks like it's coming out in November, but no actual date yet.

https://twitter.com/TheWheelOfTime/status/1418634929504624646

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Maybe I'm just starved for actual content, but that's a pretty amazing poster.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



comic-con interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyCx3AQ9TsA

not sure if there's anything too exciting here but rafe talking about how he read WOT with his mom and it helped her understand him as a gay kid in a mormon family was very sweet and not how i expected it to start

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

So I guess no trailer. Oh well, at least we have the month it's coming out now. Just a matter of time.

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

Just a guess, maybe the trailer will drop once they've hashed out the exact dates beyond "November 2021".

And I mean July is already almost over; November isn't that far away so they're probably close to finishing that sort of stuff by now and start the media hype train of announcing announcements

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Sab669 posted:

Just a guess, maybe the trailer will drop once they've hashed out the exact dates beyond "November 2021".

And I mean July is already almost over; November isn't that far away so they're probably close to finishing that sort of stuff by now and start the media hype train of announcing announcements

Yeah, I'm only mildly disappointed. And that's far outweighed by how excited I am by the fact that we're getting the show itself in ~4 months!

buffalo all day
Mar 13, 2019

thrawn527 posted:

Maybe I'm just starved for actual content, but that's a pretty amazing poster.

it's cool as heck!

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





Rafe posted:

"You really need to know the end of your story when you start telling it."

Hmmm.... :raise:

Rise of Skywalker

Game of Thrones


:hmmyes: ...checks out.

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Johnny Joestar posted:

for the record i was mainly applying that to how men tend to make up the majority of the market and they generally don't have the most stellar track record in that area.

Yeah the bar has been incredibly low for so long, and the readership has been so openly misogynist that many women authors had to write under pseudonyms or their initials.

RE: the TV show.

I'd consider that they don't have a trailer out a really bad sign. But also they're shooting a second season so :shrug:

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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i've mostly just assumed that they wanted to wait until it was closer to the release of the show to air a dedicated trailer, i guess? like i feel it would have more impact if it's about 2-3 weeks before the premiere instead of just airing it like 4-5 months ahead of time and having a bunch of people forget. of course all the wheel of time people are going to clamor for any scrap they can get, but studio people are probably more concerned with grabbing those who don't know about it that much beforehand. already existing fans are well aware of it by now and don't exactly need some hype trailer to keep their interest and get them to keep it fresh in their minds for a theoretically imminent release. the moment they put out an actual, no-poo poo trailer video it's going to get passed around pretty quickly like most trailers do these days, so i can imagine they want to maximize the effect it has by being able to tack on some poo poo like 'tune in with prime video in 2 weeks!' or whatever.

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




You’re way more optimistic than I am about not showing anything with 4 months to go.

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

Invalid Validation posted:

You’re way more optimistic than I am about not showing anything with 4 months to go.

CainsDescendant
Dec 6, 2007

Human nature




I reckon we'd have had a trailer a lot earlier, but the production of the show got loving wrecked by the 'rona. I'd wager the post production crew is scrambling hard to get this thing chopped and screwed together in time for November, and the relative lack of promotional material is a result of that. Shooting got shut down, what, twice? Three times? That's got to be a mess to edit together.

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ONE YEAR LATER
Apr 13, 2004

Fry old buddy, it's me, Bender!
Oven Wrangler
I made a thread in TVIV if anyone wants to move non-spoiler discussion there:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3974396

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