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pacerhimself posted:There was probably a minor amount of therapeutic usefulness to it in certain cases, so naturally they latch onto it being THE CURE. They don't understand medicinal efficacy.  Fluffy Bunnies posted:E: don't take loving ivermectin
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Zugzwang posted:Where did this ivermectin bullshit come from? Bret Weinstein was the first grifter I encountered pushing it, but I'm not sure if he got it from someplace else. There was a flurry of pre-print studies in April 2020 which reported in vitro success in treating SARS-CoV-2 with ivermectin ..... which of course doesn't mean a loving thing in the real world (you could dump a bucket of bleach on a petri dish of covid particles and show in vitro success in eliminating the virus, and people noted very quickly that the dosage required to have the same effects with ivermectin in vivo would be highly toxic) but scientists the world over kept publishing lovely pre-prints and then social media caught hold of it and then the alt-right media got hold of it and uncritically lauded it just the same as they'd done with hydroxychloroquine.
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Zugzwang posted:Where did this ivermectin bullshit come from? Bret Weinstein was the first grifter I encountered pushing it, but I'm not sure if he got it from someplace else. P sure it was one of the first options considered when the panic made everyone go "GIVE US SOMETHING NOW, DOES THIS WORK? NO? MAYBE THIS? WHAT ABOUT CHLORINE IN OUR BLOODGHAAAAHH" There were some studies, not great results, etc. but along with Hydroxychloroquine there's probably some people interested in offloading it I mean they're selling "nano particle spray" and cow piss for Covid (in India)...
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There was a flurry of pre-print studies in April 2020 which reported in vitro success in treating SARS-CoV-2 with ivermectin ..... which of course doesn't mean a loving thing in the real world (you could dump a bucket of bleach on a petri dish of covid particles and show in vitro success in eliminating the virus, and people noted very quickly that the dosage required to have the same effects with ivermectin in vivo would be highly toxic) but scientists the world over kept publishing lovely pre-prints and then social media caught hold of it and then the alt-right media got hold of it and uncritically lauded it just the same as they'd done with hydroxychloroquine. Completely unrelated question : Why is in vitro always italicized? I did it so I don't unintentionally anger the science gods
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Jul 24, 2021 17:00
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I think it's because it's latin. Lawyers do this poo poo all the time with their latin in briefs and judgments too.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There was a flurry of pre-print studies in April 2020 which reported in vitro success in treating SARS-CoV-2 with ivermectin ..... which of course doesn't mean a loving thing in the real world (you could dump a bucket of bleach on a petri dish of covid particles and show in vitro success in eliminating the virus, and people noted very quickly that the dosage required to have the same effects with ivermectin in vivo would be highly toxic) but scientists the world over kept publishing lovely pre-prints and then social media caught hold of it and then the alt-right media got hold of it and uncritically lauded it just the same as they'd done with hydroxychloroquine. Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:P sure it was one of the first options considered when the panic made everyone go "GIVE US SOMETHING NOW, DOES THIS WORK? NO? MAYBE THIS? WHAT ABOUT CHLORINE IN OUR BLOODGHAAAAHH"
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Jul 24, 2021 17:25
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azurite posted:Completely unrelated question : Why is in vitro always italicized? A lot of style guides require the writer to italicize non-English words.
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end language protectionism. if I'm using your latin word in an english sentence then it's english now baby
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Jul 24, 2021 18:04
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Fallom posted:end language protectionism. if I'm using your latin word in an english sentence then it's english now baby IVF should be partially italicized as IVF and I'm super angry no one does this 
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Fallom posted:end language protectionism. if I'm using your latin word in an english sentence then it's english now baby But, but, you'll decimate the dictionary!
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.28.21259420v2.fullquote:Against symptomatic infection caused by Alpha, vaccine effectiveness with partial vaccination (≥14 days after dose 1) was higher for mRNA-1273 (83%) than BNT162b2 (66%) and ChAdOx1 (64%), and full vaccination (≥7 days after dose 2) increased vaccine effectiveness for BNT162b2 (89%) and mRNA-1273 (92%). Protection against symptomatic infection caused by Beta/Gamma was also higher with partial vaccination for mRNA-1273 (77%) than BNT162b2 (60%) and ChAdOx1 (48%), and full vaccination increased effectiveness for BNT162b2 (84%). Against Delta, vaccine effectiveness after partial vaccination tended to be lower compared to Alpha for mRNA-1273 (72% vs. 83%) and BNT162b2 (56% vs. 66%), but was similar to Alpha for ChAdOx1 (67% vs. 64%). Full vaccination with BNT162b2 increased protection against Delta (87%) to levels comparable to Alpha (89%) and Beta/Gamma (84%).Vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization or death caused by all VOCs was generally higher than for symptomatic infection after partial vaccination for all three vaccines. I dunno what's going on in Israel but their results seem way off of everyone else's.
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sharknado slashfic posted:https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.28.21259420v2.full Are you saying Alex Berenson is....right?
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Fallom posted:end language protectionism. if I'm using your latin word in an english sentence then it's english now baby Embrace Trump LANGUAGE and put quotation marks around “random” capitalized things. Small sentence!! Symptoms are still fading today boys! Still groggy but slept well last night for the first time in days.
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sharknado slashfic posted:https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.28.21259420v2.full Yeah there's a bunch of people coming forwards going "Uhhhhh I think this data coming out of Israel might not be that reliable ...." https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-with-restrictions-imminent-serious-covid-cases-in-israel-climb-again-1.10022904 quote:Notably, the data might be skewed because a significant portion of the coronavirus tests in Israel were conducted in hot spots and among the elderly, while a smaller number of tests was carried out among the young and vaccinated population. One medical expert that is consulting the Health Ministry said that the data is still too distorted to make a reliable assessment of the effectiveness of the vaccine in preventing infection and mild symptoms. We talked earlier in the thread about how their stat of 60% of serious infections being breakthrough cases which made headlines around the world was from a tiny tiny number of cases and they only had about 18 covid patients in the ICU Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jul 24, 2021 |
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sharknado slashfic posted:Tokyo Drift was good. Tokyo Drift gave us the best character in the series and brought the best director into it too. It's a super fun movie. I don't even have allergies and despite going through all the poo poo I mentioned earlier this week, I tested negative. That hasn't stopped me from being an absolute snot factory since I came out the other side, so maybe the 'vid in general just fucks you up - that is, if you caught it at some point in the last year and a half or so?
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Yeah there's a bunch of people coming forwards going "Uhhhhh I think this data coming out of Israel might not be that reliable ...." Oh I must have missed that. SamBishop posted:Tokyo Drift gave us the best character in the series and brought the best director into it too. It's a super fun movie. I went into it with very low expectations and was pleasantly surprised. I think it actually is allergies because it seems to be worse ("worse" is still pretty mild) when I wake up and then disappear by the time I go to bed. Just weird.
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Jul 24, 2021 18:44
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Stupid because of covid, or stupid with covid?
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The Israeli studies not matching the US/UK studies is so bizarre to me. Guess I'll keep wearing a mask while the science sorts itself out.
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Reading twitter threads is a pain but if you have can you clarify whether they think the covid made them dumb or that dumb people are more likely to have gotten covid.
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smoobles posted:The Israeli studies not matching the US/UK studies is so bizarre to me. Guess I'll keep wearing a mask while the science sorts itself out. UK second dose schedule has been typically 8-10 weeks or more. Israeli and US 3 weeks. It would not be surprising that a longer interval produces a longer lasting response.
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The thread said that the degree of deficit did indeed correlate with the severity of the covid case, which isn't too surprising. This tweet in particular is both correct and alarming: https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1418696510712254469?s=20
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When talking long term effects does severity of infection relate more with duration, intensity or both? I’m vaccinated, was feeling better after only a day of feeling very sick but long term damage scares me.
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Nice to know that I'm going to suffer brain damage. A good Saturday.
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ArbitraryC posted:Reading twitter threads is a pain but if you have can you clarify whether they think the covid made them dumb or that dumb people are more likely to have gotten covid. The former. The people most likely to get covid in the U.K are care workers, key workers and factory workers so people need to be aware that “dumb people get covid” when talking the UK is ere be eugenics and fascism dragons territory.
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Zugzwang posted:The thread said that the degree of deficit did indeed correlate with the severity of the covid case, which isn't too surprising. This tweet in particular is both correct and alarming: So the worst, most intellectually-challenged parts of this country are, if they survive, going to end up being dumber after all this is over? I can't believe The Darkest Timeline literally produced The Stupid Virus for Drungo Tpmarmp and he botched it extra-hard so his base is literally going to get even more stupid due to him downplaying how bad it is for them. Reality is a hell of a thing.
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Rolo posted:When talking long term effects does severity of infection relate more with duration, intensity or both?  Weasling Weasel posted:Nice to know that I'm going to suffer brain damage. A good Saturday. 
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SamBishop posted:So the worst, most intellectually-challenged parts of this country are, if they survive, going to end up being dumber after all this is over? While we're speculating darkly, perhaps the spermatozoa and fertility damage from covid will stop them from reproducing as well.
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If you think my posts are bad, wait until I get Covid
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learnincurve posted:The former. Yeah that’s entirely fair, obvious in retrospect, and while entirely unintentional I feel like an rear end for coming across that way. My perspective is I live in chud land where lockdown orders were met with people cosplaying private militia with real guns outside of bars and such that were “protesting” Inslee by staying open/not requiring masks and such.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Yeah there's a bunch of people coming forwards going "Uhhhhh I think this data coming out of Israel might not be that reliable ...." Sure seems like it's kinda garbage. https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-study-claims-major-drop-in-vaccine-protection-experts-dont-believe-it/ quote:But as the numbers ignite concern among Israelis, even the government’s top expert adviser on coronavirus questioned their integrity. The approach taken could result in a “horribly skewed” outcome, argued Prof. Ran Balicer, chairman of Israel’s national expert panel on COVID-19.
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ArbitraryC posted:Yeah that’s entirely fair, obvious in retrospect, and while entirely unintentional I feel like an rear end for coming across that way. Yeah, I was being a little blithe and facetious with my comment too, and missed this earlier conversation thread. Apologies for not being sensitive; I know it's really going to gently caress up a lot of good people, and I shouldn't have been an rear end either. My heart goes out to the people that are getting punished purely for trying to help others. That feels like the kind of extra kick in the balls reality is fond of these days.
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smoobles posted:The Israeli studies not matching the US/UK studies is so bizarre to me. Guess I'll keep wearing a mask while the science sorts itself out. The Oldest Man posted:if you want to crack ping hard watch today's john campbell video from about 7:30 onward:
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There's also just the idea that even if the data weren't presented the way it was, the simple fact is that vaccines aren't going to prevent 100% of illness or infection and an older person who got fully vaccinated months ago who was already susceptible to hospitalization isn't going to fare well with a breakthrough case.
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Weasling Weasel posted:Nice to know that I'm going to suffer brain damage. A good Saturday. If you had test-confirmed COVID and recovered at home it seems like you you would lose about the equivalent of 2-3 IQ points, which is far less than the amount you've already lost by being a member of this forum for over a decade.
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What exactly is brain fog, how does it feel? Like when you get very little sleep? Because then I’ve had COVID for decades
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