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It’s one thing to try and address or raise questions about like, his views on information control on a broader scale or something like that in a subtle way, but this is straight up... dumb. Tamers is one of my favorite shows and a huge part of my childhood, so this sucks. I’d say it hurts but it’s just so stupid that all I can do is shrug and laugh. I’d still like to see it (a third out of obligation and two thirds out of whatever makes me want to watch and laugh at bad evangelical movies), but I ain’t torrenting it.
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Aug 3, 2021 16:15
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Go on. Elaborate.
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Aug 3, 2021 16:17
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Why can't anime make politics cool and fun like Ghost in the Shell did
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Aug 3, 2021 16:19
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Welp, I no longer want a Tamers sequel anymore (or at least, not one that Konaka is involved with)
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Aug 3, 2021 16:29
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 This is much worse than when Uderzo used an Asterix album to do an old man rant about how manga had invaded the western comic market.At first it's just Yamaki spewing that chud crap, with the others not really buying it, which could be read as making fun of the character or Konaka slipping his awful opinions as best as he can, but then it turns out he was absolutely right and the enemy is the materialization of internet's "political correctness". Although I admit now I want to see someone doing fanart of the Political Correctness activated Cancel Culture! scene.
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Aug 3, 2021 16:29
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I really wonder what the rest of the people involved in this thought. Konaka’s beliefs about Covid conspiracies (which aren’t 100% clear but he at the very least believes the anti lockdown/‘the governments trying to control us’ stuff) aren’t exactly mainstream in Japan, at least nowhere near the level of somewhere like America. And someone higher up in Toei had to have signed off on this, for some reason. I know it’s not technically official and was never meant to be heard outside of the event, but it was still AT the event.
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Aug 3, 2021 16:41
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We did it! Adventure is no longer the most tainted season!!
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Aug 3, 2021 16:51
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Honestly he's basically mostly right, he's just using facebook dad language to express it. It's not really worth getting up in arms about or saying it ruins tamers or lain or anything.
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Aug 3, 2021 16:56
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GorfZaplen posted:He's right. It's incredibly ham handed bc it's being written by a 60 year old man but the point of overcorrection to fake news can be just as bad as misinformation itself is truthful.
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DoctorWhat posted:Go on. Elaborate. Idk man, look at all the people immediately disowning everything Chiaki J Konaka has ever done likely without actually having watched the thing 
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you only need to look at poo poo like that attack helicopter short story where it was a trans author trying to explore militarization of queer identity via an insult directed at trans people, but people saw the Bad Words so they immediately ruined that lady's life and harassed her so much she completely detransitioned and never wrote again, to get that like, yeah, online group think trying to snuff out 'bad' opinions kinda sucks. He's not exactly wrong to say that. The part where it gets stupid is how hamfisted it is and how he uses the most loaded possible language. But people acting like he went on some rant about how he hates minorities are being ridiculous.
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https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576?lang=en Not everything he's trying to say is wrong, but he is 100% absolutely saying it for the wrong reasons. You don't gotta defend his honour.
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Well, after watching that, I can honestly say I am no longer disappointed the man stopped making anime around 2006. And weirdly, it's a lot less obnoxious to see him flailing around wrecking Tamers, probably because this bizarre screed is limited to a stage play instead of a really big budget movie that got tons of marketing and was pushed to the moon as some pivotal turning point in the story of the season. Not to put too fine a point on it, but Tamers already had a satisfying "life goes on" kind of ending in the timeline with Movie 6. Nobody needed this weird extension to try and struggle towards an ending for the show because Tamers didn't have an unsatisfying 02-style undeserving epilogue, it finished strong the first time and kept the door open for happy ending. This? It's pathetic and sad, but it's also completely disposable. Omnicrom fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Aug 3, 2021 |
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Aug 3, 2021 17:26
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Marluxia posted:Not everything he's trying to say is wrong, but he is 100% absolutely saying it for the wrong reasons. You don't gotta defend his honour.
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Aug 3, 2021 17:27
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Endorph posted:But people acting like he went on some rant about how he hates minorities are being ridiculous. He was saving that for the sequel
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Aug 3, 2021 17:28
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Endorph posted:how do you know that? hes never once expressed any really hateful opinions. you can accuse the dude of being a bit conspiracy minded but 'well 9/11 seems a bit iffy but i cant find any one answer that makes sense so whatever' is hardly the most deranged thing out there. like seriously ive gone through his blog, dudes motivations seem to be entirely 'its bad youtube can take content down unilaterally' (which, while there's a lot of stuff youtube has taken down that deserved it, its not wrong to say we shouldn't really trust a corporation with that power) and 'twitter's factchecking stuff is pretty terrible.' (which is objectively true) I don't think he hates minorities. But I really don't like that the sources he thinks are being censored and hidden are the crazy covid poo poo. You shouldn't signal boost that poo poo!
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Wasn’t it mentioned earlier that he’s a covid denier and/or antimasker as well or am I remembering wrong
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It's up thread or on a previous page I think
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Larryb posted:Wasn’t it mentioned earlier that he’s a covid denier and/or antimasker as well or am I remembering wrong Nodosaur posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/onkeikun/status/1409805201142333440?s=20 I'm going off this yeah.
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Aug 3, 2021 17:39
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Cool, gently caress that guy then
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going off his blog he literally calls it COVID 1984, which, lol, but also he seems to think the disease is real and agree with most social measures in place against it. a lot of what he says on his blog is that he doesnt agree with a lot of what those antivax people are saying but also thinks them being able to unilaterally be blasted off the internet is bad. which is a much different conversation than what people are framing it as. and the assertion that something being deleted off the internet means it cant be real data is pretty ludicrous.
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Endorph posted:how do you know that? hes never once expressed any really hateful opinions. you can accuse the dude of being a bit conspiracy minded but 'well 9/11 seems a bit iffy but i cant find any one answer that makes sense so whatever' is hardly the most deranged thing out there. like seriously ive gone through his blog, dudes motivations seem to be entirely 'its bad youtube can take content down unilaterally' (which, while there's a lot of stuff youtube has taken down that deserved it, its not wrong to say we shouldn't really trust a corporation with that power) and 'twitter's factchecking stuff is pretty terrible.' (which is objectively true) Whether or not this is true, making the big bad "Political Correctness" is the wrong way to address this, because that's 100% a dogwhistle for "I'm facing consequences for being a raging rear end in a top hat" Endorph posted:and the assertion that something being deleted off the internet means it cant be real data is pretty ludicrous. By the same token, the assertion that something being deleted off the internet means it has to be true is equally, if not more ludicrous.
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Some Numbers posted:Whether or not this is true, making the big bad "Political Correctness" is the wrong way to address this, because that's 100% a dogwhistle for "I'm facing consequences for being a raging rear end in a top hat" again im not saying you cant criticize it for being hamhanded, stupid, or facebook dad levels of weirdness, or say the dude isnt a crank, all of thats true, just that im not seeing the masssive 'this is monstrous alt-right naziism' stuff that other people are, or seeing how its bad enough to completely ruin everything hes ever been involved in. its basically exactly what id expect the writer of lain to be like at 60. Some Numbers posted:By the same token, the assertion that something being deleted off the internet means it has to be true is equally, if not more ludicrous.
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Ya know tbh this all kinda follows logically cuz lain was kind of all about how the internet effects reality so deleting stuff off the internet must by that nature be an attempt to make that stuff unreal
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Endorph posted:neither i nor konaka ever made that assertion. like i said, in his blog he says he disagrees with a lot of it. his stance is that even if something is deceitful or a lie, or contains abhorrent opinions, its bad for big tech companies to be the ones deciding what is and isnt that and what deserves to be deleted. So who does get to make that call? Because the government doing it is against the 1st Amendment and the kind of government "overreach" that right wingers love to rail against. But the company itself shouldn't be allowed to regulate its own stuff? Should we all get to say whatever we want with no consequences?
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Some Numbers posted:So who does get to make that call? Because the government doing it is against the 1st Amendment and the kind of government "overreach" that right wingers love to rail against.
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Endorph posted:how do you know that? hes never once expressed any really hateful opinions. you can accuse the dude of being a bit conspiracy minded but 'well 9/11 seems a bit iffy but i cant find any one answer that makes sense so whatever' is hardly the most deranged thing out there. like seriously ive gone through his blog, dudes motivations seem to be entirely 'its bad youtube can take content down unilaterally' (which, while there's a lot of stuff youtube has taken down that deserved it, its not wrong to say we shouldn't really trust a corporation with that power) and 'twitter's factchecking stuff is pretty terrible.' (which is objectively true) I genuinely agree with all of those sentiments and was hoping that was it but, uh... the stuff about “I‘ll keep my eye this so-called vaccine” and the Great Reset, and his primary news source since rejecting mainstream news being TalkRADIO and UK Column.. yeah, he I think he’s probably coming at it from a more biased place. The actual stuff your talking about could make for an interesting anime (still not so sure about it as a Digimon Tamers plot) but even then it would have to be done better than whatever this is. That said, I’d personally rather people just leave him alone and move on instead of making a huge deal out of it and seemingly proving his point.
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I don’t think overlapping with good opinions means you gotta give it to the guy. It’s more than a little doubtful that the kind of content he’s worried about being censored includes any marginalized groups. And while I haven’t seen the play itself beyond the screen caps shared but it sounds like the premise uh, sucks? Like as a story “cancel culture is an evil force and will destroy the world” is boring as hell for a sequel to Digimon Tamers. Get outta here with that sub-Sinfest poo poo! Thank god you and every media personality posting on Twitter were hip to this hot news or else I never would’ve experienced such a narrative. It’s such a well trodden ground and full of disingenuous arguments that the idea alone is groan worthy.
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oh yeah like i said, dude's a crank, I'm not arguing that point. I'm just saying there's a lot of space between vaccine skepticism and soft 9/11 trutherism and being alt-right.
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TheHan posted:And while I haven’t seen the play itself beyond the screen caps shared but it sounds like the premise uh, sucks? Like as a story “cancel culture is an evil force and will destroy the world” is boring as hell for a sequel to Digimon Tamers. Get outta here with that sub-Sinfest poo poo! Thank god you and every media personality posting on Twitter were hip to this hot news or else I never would’ve experienced such a narrative. It’s such a well trodden ground and full of disingenuous arguments that the idea alone is groan worthy. It's not very interesting, no. It's a sequel to Tamers 2018 that happens three years later but absolutely nothing has changed in those three years. Takato and Renamon are still lost and the story has not really moved forward in any way. The only genuinely nice moment is Impmon apologising to Juri for killing Leomon, and Juri accepting his apologies and joining up with him to fight Political Correctness (it's implied that Impmon once again ended up fighting with and running away from Ai and Mako, though Impmon refuses to elaborate). It just feels like a waste of time, a part of a story that can't ever develop because it's stuck as random half-hour voice dramas that happen every few years, and they can't even fully follow from each other, since the Malice Bot plot is only vaguely alluded to here in favour of this bizarre criticism of modern internet culture. In short, https://mobile.twitter.com/RogoSprout/status/1422596105804603395 Blaze Dragon fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Aug 3, 2021 |
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I think it's a tad Americanocentric to put annyone who says the words cancel culture into the chud bin personally
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GorfZaplen posted:I think it's a tad Americanocentric to put annyone who says the words cancel culture into the chud bin personally Konaka was always disappointed that americans and japanese read lain the same way. Now using nothing but blog posts on the internet hes achieved his dream
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Did a reasonable number of people actually call Konaka a nazi or even alt-right? The worst accusations i've seen are him being anti-vax and a right-wing conspiracy theorist. I don't think we need to hand it to a guy who seemingly wants to die on this particular hill. There are points to be made about big tech censorship, but deleting COVID denying material off of the internet is not "political correctness" or "cancel culture". Those are very different concepts from google or governments wanting to cover up the wrong viewpoint. Maybe the crank boomer is simply using the wrong words to describe a different problem he wants to talk about, and accidentally created a script perfect for Fox News.
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my opinion is that the reading was stupid but konaka shouldn't be tarred and feather for it until he says/portrays some truly vile poo poo
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DemoneeHo posted:Did a reasonable number of people actually call Konaka a nazi or even alt-right?
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Endorph posted:just look at the quote tweets on that stuff lol lmao using tweets, really? But yeah, fair, some people here have been calling him alt-right/chud. He's just being really dumb here and putting people at risk.
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Willo567 posted:with all the energy people are giving at calling konaka a nazi they could instead be using it to point out what a piece of poo poo oda is for busting out the toriko and kenshin authors Hell, the Kenshin author apparently still has a JOB in the manga industry last I checked.
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