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TheScott2K posted:This misread is so bad I'm tempted to call you a moron, but it was probably intentional so actually you're an rear end in a top hat. Go back to disengaging.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Other people already answered most of your post so I'll just say that I spend 5-6 hours driving per week and my car is comfortable, fun to drive (particularly nice to drive in a city), insanely reliable and gets drat good mileage. The only thing my car isn't, is new and shiny. Which seems to be what's triggering some people tbh. I would assume any fully grown adult that thinks $10k is an unimaginably privileged amount of money to spend on a car is pretty financially incompetent yes. If you're happy in your clunker more power to you, thats not triggering anyone - its your wacky claim that someone being able to spend $10k on a car makes them a scion of privilege, despite that being approx half the average price of a used (nevermind new) car in America today. Though for what its worth a 2007 Yaris is very objectively neither comfortable or fun to drive as far as cars go. Its also certainly less reliable than a modern car, and gets worse mileage than a comparable modern car. A 2017 Yaris has a trade-in value of $9-11k and would be demonstrably better under every single metric you've listed, nevermind a more interesting brand/model.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Other people already answered most of your post so I'll just say that I spend 5-6 hours driving per week and my car is comfortable, fun to drive (particularly nice to drive in a city), insanely reliable and gets drat good mileage. The only thing my car isn't, is new and shiny. Which seems to be what's triggering some people tbh. Being able to afford a 10k car but choosing not to buy one, is different from simply being unable to buy a 10k car. Nobody here is disapproving of your choice so i think you are maybe misreading his post Edit: OK maybe some people are disapproving of your car lmao, but half my point still stands OctaMurk fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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Aug 11, 2021 16:06
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Is there an equivalent of the derail toucan for tech nightmares? Like a picture of a coax networking cable or something.
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Aug 11, 2021 16:08
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Here's hoping right to repair movement gains traction and has a positive impact about how cars are designed so that basic maintenance is easier.
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knox_harrington posted:Is there an equivalent of the derail toucan for tech nightmares? Like a picture of a coax networking cable or something. Car stuff specifically probably warrants its own thread.
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Aug 11, 2021 16:12
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Right lets let this lie where it does then. Gonna go for a drive 
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Let's get this thread back on track. https://twitter.com/iloveplap/status/1425483763383881729
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Knobs and buttons are better anyway because they are more tactile than touchpads could ever be, plus you hardly ever have to look at the switch/button to know which one you're pressing. You can tell by feel and general location.
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Aug 11, 2021 17:36
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I swear every time I see a Tesla interior everything around the screen is different and still terrible.
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Aug 11, 2021 17:40
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It seems like it would be a nightmare to try and operate a car where everything goes through a touchscreen. Yeesh.
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Shrecknet posted:just wait until UX designers, desperate to justify their jobs, push an un-declineable update that moves shot around for no reason and now you have to take your eyes off the road even longer to turn on the AC In here looking for things to tweet?
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if im forced to have a touchonly interface, can i atleast have full color and brightness control.
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How are u posted:Ford will be releasing a hybrid truck, soon. It could be a game changer in the US. A fully electric F150 as well. The idea of an electric F-150 frustrates the hell out of me. Obviously there's a need for vehicles that size for specific purposes, and I'm sure it'll find some use in company fleets where the range is acceptable. However, that market is going to be just a slice of the audience for this truck, and many of these are going to end up in the driveways of accountants and dental hygienists. It's like a perfect encapsulation of our attitude towards climate change: we can tech our way out of the end of the world and nothing in your life actually has to change.
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Baronash posted:The idea of an electric F-150 frustrates the hell out of me. Obviously there's a need for vehicles that size for specific purposes, and I'm sure it'll find some use in company fleets where the range is acceptable. However, that market is going to be just a slice of the audience for this truck, and many of these are going to end up in the driveways of accountants and dental hygienists. It's like a perfect encapsulation of our attitude towards climate change: we can tech our way out of the end of the world and nothing in your life actually has to change. I'm struggling to find the actual market for that truck. The battery tech just isn't there to do most truck things I'd be doing with a truck. I wonder how far that thing would pull a 9,000 lb trailer. It's best use case probably is in someone driveway who doesn't actually need a truck.
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Motronic posted:I'm struggling to find the actual market for that truck. The battery tech just isn't there to do most truck things I'd be doing with a truck. I wonder how far that thing would pull a 9,000 lb trailer. Pretty much. It's a gateway to EVs for the lovely middle and upper class white conservative men who love their little dick commuter trucks.
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The electric F150 fits the use-case of a suburb-dwelling F150 owner really well and doesn't need gas. People who go to Home Depot, but only on Saturday or Sunday, move the occasional Single Large Object, and otherwise drive it to or from work are going to at least consider it. "You don't actually need a truck" isn't compelling to someone who someone who can think of several times he was glad he had one. It's an EV that doesn't cost them any of the functionality they actually use, doesn't have the cultural baggage of a Tesla, and looks like the thing they already like. And there are little extras like the frunk and the ability to run household stuff off it in a power outage. I think you guys are underestimating the impact the F150 EV is going to have.
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TheScott2K posted:The electric F150 fits the use-case of a suburb-dwelling F150 owner really well and doesn't need gas. People who go to Home Depot, but only on Saturday or Sunday, move the occasional Single Large Object, and otherwise drive it to or from work are going to at least consider it. "You don't actually need a truck" isn't compelling to someone who someone who can think of several times he was glad he had one. I'm not estimating it's impact at all, but I agree with the rest of your post: it's the use case where nobody should own a pickup and instead rent the one at Home Depot the 3 times a year they would be "glad to have one".
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Motronic posted:I'm not estimating it's impact at all, but I agree with the rest of your post: it's the use case where nobody should own a pickup and instead rent the one at Home Depot the 3 times a year they would be "glad to have one". yes, yes, everyone's stupid, little dicks, etc, very insightful
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Should come standard with speakers that can play the loud noises of your choice. Maybe bright lights to charge up.
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Motronic posted:I'm not estimating it's impact at all, but I agree with the rest of your post: it's the use case where nobody should own a pickup and instead rent the one at Home Depot the 3 times a year they would be "glad to have one". Trailer hitch. It's the best solution IMO, you can also rent the trailer.
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Motronic posted:I'm not estimating it's impact at all, but I agree with the rest of your post: it's the use case where nobody should own a pickup and instead rent the one at Home Depot the 3 times a year they would be "glad to have one".
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His Divine Shadow posted:Trailer hitch. It's the best solution IMO, you can also rent the trailer. Towing regulations are completely different in North America, you basically cannot do it with a car.
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Aug 11, 2021 18:44
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Ah well that sucks, here you can tow anything from 1600 to 6600 lbs depending on your car and the trailer, bigger than that and you need a license for bigger loads.
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Motronic posted:I'm struggling to find the actual market for that truck. The battery tech just isn't there to do most truck things I'd be doing with a truck. I wonder how far that thing would pull a 9,000 lb trailer. I'm gonna argue against myself a little here and say that fleet use for a municipality is honestly a great market for a truck like this: Moving people, tools, and odd shaped junk between a few sites each day for a set number of hours and then getting parked to charge until the next morning. Any irregular needs can get handled by other vehicles. But yeah, the self-employed fellow who uses his truck to tow the boat on the weekends? Nah. PT6A posted:Towing regulations are completely different in North America, you basically cannot do it with a car. This is patently false. Baronash fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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Shrecknet posted:just wait until UX designers, desperate to justify their jobs, push an un-declineable update that moves shot around for no reason and now you have to take your eyes off the road even longer to turn on the AC "Oh poo poo, my Dash crashed and is unrecoverable" PT6A posted:Towing regulations are completely different in North America, you basically cannot do it with a car. I mean.....you shouldn't, but Uhaul will gladly install a hitch on your car.
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Baronash posted:This is patently false. Was wondering about that myself. I used to have a 98 Honda Accord with an aftermarket trailer hitch I made pretty good use of with low-slung trailers. Maybe it varies by state.
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CommieGIR posted:"Oh poo poo, my Dash crashed and is unrecoverable" You'd be lucky if it's just the dash... https://twitter.com/iNeal/status/1420221303840071682
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TheScott2K posted:Was wondering about that myself. I used to have a 98 Honda Accord with an aftermarket trailer hitch I made pretty good use of with low-slung trailers. Maybe it varies by state. US folks towing overloaded trailers is a Tech Nightmare in and of itself, and it does happen. A lot. Doggles posted:You'd be lucky if it's just the dash... Can't wait for OTA ECU updates that fail mid flash.
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TheScott2K posted:Was wondering about that myself. I used to have a 98 Honda Accord with an aftermarket trailer hitch I made pretty good use of with low-slung trailers. Maybe it varies by state. While obviously there is no "North American legal standard", generally in the United States the legal limit is three-fold: You need a special license to drive a vehicle with a Gross-Vehicle Weight Rating of 26,000 lbs, or a trailer with a Gross-Trailer Weight Rating of more than 10,000 lbs, and you cannot exceed the manufacturer's Gross-Combined Weight Rating of a vehicle.
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Kaal posted:While obviously there is no "North American legal standard", generally in the United States the legal limit is three-fold: You need a special license to drive a vehicle with a Gross-Vehicle Weight Rating of 26,000 lbs, or a trailer with a Gross-Trailer Weight Rating of more than 10,000 lbs, and you cannot exceed the manufacturer's Gross-Combined Weight Rating of a vehicle. And people do exceed it all the time.
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Kaal posted:While obviously there is no "North American legal standard", generally in the United States the legal limit is three-fold: You need a special license to drive a vehicle with a Gross-Vehicle Weight Rating of 26,000 lbs, or a trailer with a Gross-Trailer Weight Rating of more than 10,000 lbs, and you cannot exceed the manufacturer's Gross-Combined Weight Rating of a vehicle. That is not this: quote:Towing regulations are completely different in North America, you basically cannot do it with a car.
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Motronic posted:I'm struggling to find the actual market for that truck. The battery tech just isn't there to do most truck things I'd be doing with a truck. I wonder how far that thing would pull a 9,000 lb trailer. What may make it more viable is Ford patented an extended range engine that is supposed to look like a bed mounted tool box. They haven't announced it but if they do it has a chance to turn an F-150EV into a hybrid. That might make it more attractive as a fleet vehicle.
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TheScott2K posted:Was wondering about that myself. I used to have a 98 Honda Accord with an aftermarket trailer hitch I made pretty good use of with low-slung trailers. Maybe it varies by state. It's true that, according to manufacturer specs, many full-size and smaller sedans no longer give official tow ratings for US customers, even if they have them overseas. US trailer wheelbases and loading recommendations are based off of higher tongue weight percentages than their Euro counterparts. A higher tongue weight means your car is doing more work pulling the load (thus a lower max tow rating), but you get the benefit of less trailer sway. Sway is manageable by driving slower, but lol at expecting US drivers to do anything less than 75 on a highway. A company like Uhaul will be glad to install a hitch on your car (for your "bike rack"), and a light duty trailer loaded intelligently is absolutely manageable for most sedans. Of course, this has only really affected sedans, which make up just a fifth of the market. To say that "Americans have no options for towing except a pickup" when literally half of cars sold are crossovers is a mind-boggling rejection of reality
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TheScott2K posted:That is not this: Agreed.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Ah well that sucks, here you can tow anything from 1600 to 6600 lbs depending on your car and the trailer, bigger than that and you need a license for bigger loads. But of course everything is oversized in the US; here in Scandiland everyone got by with a station wagon and a hitch - if you can't get your poo poo transported with that, you're either a professional (and use a city van deal with room for a Europallet, or a Raptor type deal if necessary) We all still get by like this though, I know us scandis always nag VW, Tesla et al for hitch couplings on EVs the past few years. Like nobody here can even imagine an XC40 electric or even e-Golf without a hitch, it's a human right over here almost F4rt5 fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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F4rt5 posted:Yeah here I think it's 3500 kg total weight of car and trailer without a separate trailer license (and, what, B2 for 7500 kg max total?) The Kia Niro EV I'm leasing has a towing capacity of 2800lbs. https://www.carindigo.com/kia/niro-ev-suv/towing-capacity
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VideoGameVet posted:The Kia Niro EV I'm leasing has a towing capacity of 2800lbs. EVs should be decent at towing, what with the battery weights, the brakes needed for stopping a heavy battery laden vehicle, and the torque of an EV electric motor.
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