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multijoe posted:I maintain Hey Ys being a confidence Stand was a retcon, it definitely knew things Pocoloco had no way of knowing like the animal skull behind the bushes It just guessed.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Hey Ya directly led Pocoloco to winning the Steel Ball Run. Seems pretty useful to me. The way I see it, Hey Ya indirectly killed Dio The theoretically most powerful stand, given time Except its user doesn't wanna do much of anything I love it
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CodfishCartographer posted:So re-reading Jojolion, something has popped out at me that may be revealing for the final chapter. These pages are from ch 22, the flashback about Johnny in Morioh: I just read chapter 99, where I totally forgot about this panel. I'm fairly confident this is enough proof that Lucy is here not for the guardrail, but to investigate where Johnny buried the corpse.  Maybe she snuck it back and buried it again after they retrieved it? These panels almost seem to imply that. CodfishCartographer fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Aug 10, 2021 |
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Aug 10, 2021 06:17
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Hearing that Jojolion was about to end I decided to read the entire thing. It's weird because I feel like the series largely wrapped up its plot in a satisfying manner somewhere around volume 14, and then spent 13 volumes mostly spinning its wheels. Like by volume 14 we've already learnt who Josuke is (Josefumi and Kira) and what the deal is with the Higashikata family (Joubin was working with the rock people to smuggle in fruits). We know why Kira was killed, and his killer launched a horrifying attack against the Higashikata family in order to try and finish the job. There are a few loose ends and inconsistencies, but the big questions have been answered and it seems like the bad guys have been defeated. From that point to me the main loose ends to tie up would be 1) a potential betrayal from Joubin, 2) Tsurugi's illness and 3) curing Holly with the fruit. From it seems like the new villains we get mostly just exist to delay and obstruct the protagonists from achieving that second goal. Their motives aren't very well defined beyond money, and we don't learn who their leader is until we're fighting him (which to me made that feel like an overly long villain of the week fight). They don't really have much connection to the previous storyline about Joubin and the smuggling route, or the trouble Josefumi and Kira found themselves in. In addition both the fights at the hospital are pointless because the fruit was never there - Yasuho even works this out but is ignored. You could almost skip straight from volume 14 to the guard rail chapter and still be in mostly the same situation - all that's left is to try and cure Holly with the fruit.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Hearing that Jojolion was about to end I decided to read the entire thing. It's weird because I feel like the series largely wrapped up its plot in a satisfying manner somewhere around volume 14, and then spent 13 volumes mostly spinning its wheels. This post got me thinking, and Part 8 seems like the most currency-focused out of the whole series. I think Araki was trying to tell a story about greed with Jojolion - the main villains are all motivated by money (Damo's team is smuggling fruits for cash, Jobin is helping them to get money and power, Tooru's team is researching the Locacaca to get money and power), and we have two enemy stand encounters based ENTIRELY around greed for money (shakedown road and Milagro Man). Part 7 was about sacrificing for your goals, and I think Part 8 is about sacrificing for others rather than for yourself. The protagonists are all motivated by trying to help out another individual person - early on Yasuho is selflessly helping Gappy, though admittedly Gappy is acting kind of selfish in trying to discover his own identity. However we eventually learn that Kira and Josefumi were both acting selflessly to help Holly - they were trying to get the Locacaca from Damo's team not for greed or money, but for selfless reasons. When Damo attacks them, Josefumi even is tempted with a crisis of conscience to be selfish and sacrifice Kira to save himself, but is saved by Kira's act of self sacrifice. He then sacrifices himself to save Kira in return, birthing Gappy - he literally was born from selfless acts of sacrifice. The Locacaca itself ties into this - the original fruit has you sacrificing a part of yourself solely to help yourself, whereas with the New Locacaca (which was born from Kira and Josefumi's acts of kindness) you sacrifice yourself for the sake of another. It's probably not a perfect analysis, but I think there's enough there to dig into. And enough to say that the villains all being motivated by moeny works, imo. CodfishCartographer fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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There's also stuff like Damo using dollar bills as a weapon.
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What was Gappy's best fight in Jojolion - and was it anywhere near the finale?
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Grouchio posted:What was Gappy's best fight in Jojolion - and was it anywhere near the finale?
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Grouchio posted:What was Gappy's best fight in Jojolion - and was it anywhere near the finale? I'm going to be unorthodox and say that his best fight is against Ojiro Sasame and Fun Fun Fun. It's a very unconventional fight that nevertheless has one of the best Stand reveals in the whole series (Shhh... Soft.. & Wet..), a cool and strange mystery (is this actually Yoshikage Kira?!), a bunch of twists and gambits, and ends with Gappy pummeling Ojiro while repeatedly telling Yasuho to look over there. Also Ojiro ate his own fingers, drat. If the rest of Jojolion had been up to that standard I think it would've been unquestionably the best arc.
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Grouchio posted:What was Gappy's best fight in Jojolion - and was it anywhere near the finale? The beetle fight between Gappy and Jobin that happens after the battle with Yotsuyu is a high point for sure, just a bizarre amount of subterfuge and maneuvering under the guise of betting on a fight between two beetles
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Huge fan of I Am A Rock just for the end where Josuke responds to a punch rush with a single punch.TheLoneStar posted:He sat out for a lot of the fight, but Josuke kicking Damo's head apart was one of the best moments in JoJolion. Wasn't that Hato?
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Electric Phantasm posted:Wasn't that Hato?
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I enjoyed the blue hawaii fight
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TheLoneStar posted:She did get a headshot I think, as well as a couple other hits, but Josuke chased Damo out into the streets and finished him off by kicking his head to bits. He punched through Damo's head and it owned 
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i forgot he punched damo apart in broad daylight in front of ugly npcs
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overmind2000 posted:He punched through Damo's head and it owned
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Jojo bystanders are the worst people in existence
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multijoe posted:Jojo bystanders are the worst people in existence
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Grouchio posted:Was the ambulance a bystander? No, because it was in motion
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speedwagon was a bystander.
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Speedwagon was the best ringside announcer ever
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Thinking about that time Narancia sussed out where Clash and Talking Head were because they were the only people who reacted to a child cutting out his tongue on a crowded street. Absolute psycho world
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I figure it's just Araki drawing social commentary on real life people ignoring crazy poo poo happening right under their noses.
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Aug 11, 2021 20:28
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Some of my favorite poo poo in Jojo is normal people trying to do normal things while their arms are falling off or some poo poo because of a Stand.
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I like how Joseph was clearly bleeding and hosed up and fell off a roof right next to these people during DIO’s World and their reaction was to laugh and ask if he thought he was Santa Claus. multijoe posted:Jojo bystanders are the worst people in existence “Aah! Aaaahh! I got shot through the chest five times and half of my skull is missing!!” “Wow, look at that loving IDIOT. Why is he bothering everybody? Oh well, time to go have sex in public or whatever”
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There's no winning in the Jojo universe. Stand User? You're going to die horribly. Random bystander? You will also die horribly but you won't even have the courtesy of knowing how.
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Funky Valentine posted:Some of my favorite poo poo in Jojo is normal people trying to do normal things while their arms are falling off or some poo poo because of a Stand.
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Hayoto wins a Stand battle without having a Stand, he's legit the smartest and most resourceful character in the entire series
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don't forget like the most hosed up instance where shigechi is halfway imploded and a group of kids ricochet a ball off of him and then call him ugly
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I want more times where a non-stand user takes part in a stand battle
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Lucy technically didn't have a Stand yet when she killed Funny Valentine. Granted the president got better but you get points for trying.
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overmind2000 posted:The beetle fight between Gappy and Jobin that happens after the battle with Yotsuyu is a high point for sure, just a bizarre amount of subterfuge and maneuvering under the guise of betting on a fight between two beetles Beetle Tendency is, in my opinion, the best fight in JoJolion, and one of the five best parts in all of JoJo, full stop. Vitamin C is a close second.
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multijoe posted:Jojo bystanders are the worst people in existence
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Vitamin C is easily the best fight in Jojolion imo, but Beetle Tendency is definitely up there. I'd also like to give a shoutout to Poor Tom, it's such a tense fight and there's a lot going on with the three factions of Josuke/Rai, Jobin/Tsurugi, and Poor Tom himself all clashing against one another and trying to come out on top. Setting the orchard on fire is a clever way to learn the location of the branch, Gappy layering his bubbles to remote control where they'll fly similar to Kira remote controlling the air bubbles in the climax of part 4, and the tension of thinking that the bad guys got the branch only for the reveal that Tsurugi was fuckin' with everyone all along.
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Speaking of the branch thing, I'm kind of baffled that Josuke and Yasuho never entertained the thought of Tsurugi's Stand being responsible for their conflicting reports on what happened to the branch. They both know full well what his Stand does, but not once in the days after the Poor Tom incident do any of them bring it up.
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Grouchio posted:I have purposely never read any of Part 6 except for the very beginning and very end. I hope this was the right decision. You will never reach truth
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TheLoneStar posted:Her only reaction was to yell at him for getting her car dirty. Reality has taught me that this is a very realistic response.
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Wilson Phillips did nothing wrong
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I think one thing that harms JoJolion is the fact that many of the most important plot points (5 major battles, plus half of the Wonder of U fight) happen in the Higashikata estate, and many more either start or end there. This might make it seem as though the story is a lot less dynamic than it really is.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Wilson Phillips did nothing wrong He was an american senator so you can safely assume he was a terrible person.
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