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ulmont posted:Counterpoint: Uprooted never grabbed me enough to buy and Spinning Silver bored me to the point of not finishing it... Yeah it was my #1 Novik personally. Also pretty good timing since the sequel is out soon.
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ulmont posted:Counterpoint: Uprooted never grabbed me enough to buy and Spinning Silver bored me to the point of not finishing it... More or less the same, I haven't done Uprooted yet, but Temeraire bored me into quitting, Spinning Silver didn't get until the third try, but A Deadly Education sucked me in immediately. It's very strongly taste dependent which Novik you like.
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Aug 27, 2021 12:43
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I really loved Uprooted. Seems there might be a Novik for everyone!
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Aug 27, 2021 12:49
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Every Novik book I’ve read felt very plot heavy. Like cool world building, clever ideas, enjoyable read, but after a while just goes on and on. And they aren’t even that long in page count.
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Doctor Jeep posted:if this is snark you'll have to spell it out for me I was trying not to spoil the plot notes of the book. Sorry for being ambiguous. Deed of Paksenarrion is, despite its clear D&D roots, a good set of stories. I’m not being snarky at all, it’s noteworthy for taking one of the more irksome ideas from D&D, stick in the mud Lawful Good dudes who proselytize constantly and are the worst, and giving a counterexample of a compelling vision for the archetype. Paks manages to follow a code of honor, that’s internally consistent with her morality and derived from her experiences, and coexist with other people without constantly telling everyone else how bad they are for not following her code.
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Doctor Jeep posted:if this is snark you'll have to spell it out for me It's snark at Girdish paladins, who are in fact mostly insufferable moralists.
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Not the Messiah posted:Yeah I'm very hype about finally getting around to reading the series, but I'm irrationally bummed at how...generic the UK version looks. The original cover art is so beautiful and evocative, and the UK ones just look like turbo generic fantasy book covers. Even just missing Baru Cormorant from the titles makes it seem less evocative Yeah Baru Cormorant is a cool name and deserves to be on the cover
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Aug 27, 2021 17:31
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I think I liked Deadly Education the best out of the non-Temeraire Novik books just because the love interest wasn't comically older than the protagonist. That always puts me off a bit when you have a teenage girl and then a dude who's an ancient fae, or a 100+ year old wizard. Deadly Education has 2 idiot teenagers who have a really fun dynamic instead.
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Aug 27, 2021 17:41
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Next book THE ENDS OF BARU CORMORANT or THE TERROR BARU CORMORANT? Ends is probably better but Terror fits the format… Let’s not do that one joke for pages again.
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Aug 27, 2021 18:33
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Terror is WAY more fun and eye-catchy imo!
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Aug 27, 2021 18:38
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The Terrorist Baru Cormorant
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Aug 27, 2021 18:42
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Traitor Monster Tyrant Terror Traitor Monster Tyrant Ends Of Terror, Horror, Abomination, Murderer, Genocide, Plague
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Aug 27, 2021 18:42
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Yep Terror is the pick.
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Aug 27, 2021 18:44
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Sibling of TB posted:Traitor Yeah, of those two options Terror definitely feels the best, unless you're deliberately going for something that breaks the pattern.
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Aug 27, 2021 18:46
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E - okay, no joke. Yes, Terror is good
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Aug 27, 2021 18:47
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Yeah, Terror fits the naming scheme really well
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Aug 27, 2021 18:47
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Terror, absolutely!
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Aug 27, 2021 18:57
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Though I've noticed people already confusing the order of Monster and Tyrant. Pretty sure Terror would also confuse people (but that is true for nearly any series so probably shouldn't be that much of a consideration). Ends Of would be much more clearly the end, except if there is a book 5.
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Aug 27, 2021 19:11
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Terror feels better, but yeah Ends of feels a lot more terminal.
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Aug 27, 2021 19:16
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I also prefer Terror.
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Aug 27, 2021 19:23
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Everybody likes Terror better but I do sort of like how Ends breaks the pattern and says "this one's the last one fucko." Also it's a neat dual meaning, whereas Terror is pretty direct...
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Aug 27, 2021 19:38
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General Battuta posted:Everybody likes Terror better but I do sort of like how Ends breaks the pattern and says "this one's the last one fucko." Also it's a neat dual meaning, whereas Terror is pretty direct... The Terminator Baru Cormorant. (Okay okay maybe not that.) I think I’d prefer Terror over Ends of, but can see the argument for Ends.
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Aug 27, 2021 19:44
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I like the end as it punctuates all the trains crashing together, but I think both are good titles.
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Aug 27, 2021 19:49
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General Battuta posted:Everybody likes Terror better but I do sort of like how Ends breaks the pattern and says "this one's the last one fucko." Also it's a neat dual meaning, whereas Terror is pretty direct... I like Ends a lot but I like sharp pattern changes and punnes or plays on words myself. Velius posted:I was trying not to spoil the plot notes of the book. Sorry for being ambiguous. I really think that the big thing that makes this possible is that while it's inspired by, Moon [says she] hadn't actually played d&d yet at the time she wrote this stuff; my understanding is that she got what she did from hearing a friend talk about it. So the salient points pop out [eg, a paladin gets their horse after theyve been a paladin for a bit] but it's not really bogged down by a lot of the mechanical d&disms that this...... subgenre can really get into. Even the part that is basically a recounting of a published adventure is, hmm, not done the way people who are consciously attempting to write out that sort of thing do.
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General Battuta posted:Everybody likes Terror better but I do sort of like how Ends breaks the pattern and says "this one's the last one fucko." Also it's a neat dual meaning, whereas Terror is pretty direct... I prefer Terror to Ends, but it does kinda blend in with the others... The Ultimate Baru Cormorant. The Last Baru Cormorant. The Apotheosis of Baru Cormorant. I haven't read the book, obviously, so I have no idea what fits.
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Aug 27, 2021 20:05
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General Battuta posted:
*taps the sign*
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Aug 27, 2021 20:07
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the Whoopsy Daisy of Baru Cormorant.
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+1 for Terror. Speaking of Greg Bear, anyone read City at the End of Time? I vaguely remember it being surreal with some vaguely Neil Gaiman type characters, but I was pretty sleep deprived at the time (finishing university and working a lot at the same time) so I don’t remember how much was ~atmospheric writing~ and how much was just me, you know, losing it.  Just finished a reread of Ninefox Gambit and finally got around to reading the sequels. Not really feeling the ending - I was hoping for Jedao to get reintegrated with all his memories, or use his alien-moth spacebender powers to fly off, or basically anything besides “keep on plugging along as an instructor at space assassin school”. But hey, at least Cheris gets a second chance with her culture, and the drone makes it out ok v  v Might get Hexarchate Stories next, I could’ve swore I saw an August release date for the next KJ Parker 16 Ways sequel but it looks like it’s been pushed to January now.
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The only real local bookstore has limited selection of books in English as it is, and even fewer of them in genre fiction, plus a bad habit of for some reason carrying later books of series when at least I have never seen the first part on the shelf. Obviously I saw MONSTER (Baru Cormorant) there last year, but Traitor has never been around. Guess I'll just include it in my online book order, finally.
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Sibling of TB posted:Traitor Jeez, afer all that I'd say Baru Cormorant could do with Hugs Hugs Back Pats Vacations Beach side umbrella drinks e. not sure if this qualifies as "that one joke" being somewhat new to the thread, apologies if so.
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Aug 27, 2021 20:22
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Traitor, Terror, Monster, Spy
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General Battuta posted:Everybody likes Terror better but I do sort of like how Ends breaks the pattern and says "this one's the last one fucko." Also it's a neat dual meaning, whereas Terror is pretty direct... To me Terror feels more evocative where Ends feels like you're just telling me it's the end of the series. Feels like naming it "Baru: The Final Chapter". I know this doesn't take into account the clever wordplay of Ends but I wouldn't notice that (I am not clever). Another vote for Terror
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Aug 27, 2021 20:31
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I imagine that it's a reference to both "ends" as the conclusions of her life and/or various roles she has played and "ends" as goals or objectives. Or maybe her hair has split ends.
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Aug 27, 2021 20:37
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The last book is the ends that she hopes will justify her means of getting there.
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I feel like there's an irony to the titles and how they relate to Baru's development in each book so I suppose it depends on how terrible she is/n't in the final book
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Aug 27, 2021 20:53
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Traitor Monster Tyrant Scourge Terminus Master Omega
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Aug 27, 2021 21:13
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Ultimate works, unless you are planning a mega book containing all the books so far, then you might wanna hold onto that one.
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Second ! The Ultimate Baru Cormorant would be a fantastic title for an omnibus.
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Aug 27, 2021 21:25
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The Fucker Baru Cormorant
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I like the extra meanings of Ends of, but even the then I prefer The Terror, to me there is some "power" in sticking to the pattern all the way to the end. Breaking the pattern almost makes it seem like a separate thing or a spin-off. Also not a fan of using Ultimate for a collection, seems way too complicated, the simpler The Complete Baru Cormorant would IMO be a better choice if it comes to that.
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