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ok but nia jax doesn't have the record any of those guys have of not actually injuring people
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i know when i think of Vader i think of "not injuring people"
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when i think of Vader i think of Boy Meets World
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I think of his white castle OF FEAAAAR
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when i think of Scott Steiner I think of suplexing The Giant when I think of Rick Steiner I think of suplexing Vader and that time he literally broke Buff Bagwell's neck
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Lid posted:https://twitter.com/SugarDunkerton/status/1432657177307717635?s=19 People have been ragging on Goldberg being unsafe for like 20+ years lol is he a woman too
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When I saw the shots being exchanged I did go "eh, who know what's going on there; people love to be overly protective of women's wrestlers and intensely critical of Nia and Charlotte in particular" Then I saw Charlotte lightly jogging the ropes, stuttering to a halt before forcing herself onto Nia's shoulders (?) and I went "lmao"
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Aug 31, 2021 17:49
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Shitter Dumperton
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I'll always remember the time Nia injured Bayley because she was supposed to do a bodyslam and instead just kinda dropped her wherever.
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https://twitter.com/segundacaida/status/1432771068918263808 Not directed at Jim but rather the people who are suddenly always leaning intently forward during a match and going "THAT'S SAFE SO I POP!" with the latest round of Nia/Charlotte.
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Aug 31, 2021 19:50
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The point of wrestlers working stiff is that it looks cool and adds some degree of realism. There's a "wow" factor in two people awkwardly running into each other a bunch of times and clearly not working together cohesively but in a much different way.
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at the core of it all there's a central difference between, say, a Vader match or Kobashi/Misawa and the Charlotte/Nia match. Vader hitting a powerbomb on Local Talent looks like someone hitting a wrestling move perfectly and painfully. Kobashi and Misawa hitting sick moves on each other looks like two guys cooperating to successfully make something that looks absolutely brutal. Nia and Charlotte doing... whatever they were doing, look like people loving up and dropping each other.
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Big  at that person comparing Nia Jax to Misawa and Kobashi. That's like putting out a janky looking short film that gets torn to pieces by critics and crying "You would've LOVED this if it was The Godfather!"
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charlotte and nia shooting on each other is really funny and kicks rear end
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STONE COLD 64 posted:charlotte and nia shooting on each other is really funny and kicks rear end The two most unsafe workers in the company trying to do a worked shoot. What a Vince Russo idea.
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Also, people do watch old Steiner and Road Warrior squashes and criticise Hawk, Animal, Scott and Rick for being assholes who didn't give a poo poo about the job guys safety.
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Gaz-L posted:Also, people do watch old Steiner and Road Warrior squashes and criticise Hawk, Animal, Scott and Rick for being assholes who didn't give a poo poo about the job guys safety. Not sure about the Road Warriors, but people have gone back over older Steiner matches and been taken aback by how little they take care of their opponents.
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Nia Jax is one of the worst loving wrestlers in the goddamn world. She's plodding in the ring, her moves have an air of "I don't really know what I'm doing" to them, and she's unsafe as all hell. And she knows it and she doesn't give a gently caress, because of who she's related to. Charlotte's terrible, too, but she at least used to have halfway decent matches in NXT, before realizing that she could just coast on her dad's name and stopped giving a poo poo. Nia Jax never gave a poo poo to begin with. To say what Nia and Charlotte did in the ring on Monday was just "working stiff" is frankly an insult to every other wrestler out there. I mean, I've been watching some old WCCW matches lately, and those dudes worked stiff without managing to nearly kill each other. What Nia and Charlotte did sure was something, but it wasn't "working stiff".
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Charlotte has a few spots she does well and most fans just focus on that, while brushing off the sloppier/botchy stuff as the fault of the other worker.
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why cant these dorks enjoy dumb violence when it happens. That match was a hoot.
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A worked hoot.
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Zombie Lemur posted:A worked hoot. a shoot hoot, hoot.
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the ol shooter hooter
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working yourselves into a hoot marks
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sticklefifer posted:working yourselves into a hoot marks and that's a hoot, brother
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Give a hoot, work a shoot.
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A big part of why I like wrestling is because it's violence but people get actually harmed as little as possible while still keeping it exciting
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El Generico posted:A big part of why I like wrestling is because it's violence but people get actually harmed as little as possible while still keeping it exciting Yeah, same, I think violence rules. But the consequences of it suck. So please only pretend to fight for my entertainment. But if it looks hard and real that's better.
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I think a lot of it comes down to consent too. The art produced in the ring is a shared expression (unless you're fighting Yoshihiko), so when one or more of the participants is actively balking, you lose a lot of what makes wrestling great.
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:the ol shooter hooter I haven't been there. I been to the Hooter Shooter bar
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There's a big difference between "Shoot-style" where people are slapping each other in the face and chest really hard like Kobashi and Walter and whatever happened between Flair and Nia Jax but yeah in hindsight maybe some of these people shouldn't have been kicked in the head and dropped on their necks so much for our entertainment. Then you've got stuff like that Stardom shoot fight from a while back where a larger wrestler (Like Nia Jax) actually did just shoot and stomp the hell out of a smaller competitor and it got stopped because one of the seconds in the match literally shoot called the match because the referee and owner of the company wouldn't. People are over-reacting like hell to what was just two people having a communication breakdown and not wanting to work together for a couple minutes. Knowing WWE though they'll try and use the heat to book a worked shoot match that's totally worked and just as awkward/awful but on purpose this time
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IGgy IGsen posted:Yeah, same, I think violence rules. But the consequences of it suck. That reminds me of an amazing take I've seen mentioned by Segunda Caida's account where he was talking about somebody seeing saying "The literal point of wrestling is to protect each other in the ring.”
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Tampa Bae posted:
Do tell, I'm not familiar with this
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Dangerous Person posted:Do tell, I'm not familiar with this The smaller girl already was already blind-ish in one eye to start with and some other health issues that made her pretty fragile and this match ended her career if I recall. This was a match that shouldn't have happened to begin with because the two legitimately hated each other so it turned into an MMA fight that a referee refused to end. There's spots where they were trying to "wrestle" but it just turned into them hitting each other for real Going off memory here, someone from the Joshi thread probably knows better details Tampa Bae fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Sep 1, 2021 |
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The referee didn't just not stop the match, he actually got them to back off and checked on Act when her face was already completely busted up and then let the fight continue. I think Stardom stopped using him right after that. It was Kyoko Kimura who ended up stopping the match.
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I was vaguely horrified if not really surprised to learn apparently Yoshiko came back to work at Stardom.
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Dawgstar posted:I was vaguely horrified if not really surprised to learn apparently Yoshiko came back to work at Stardom.
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Act started a Theatrical Performance Company called Actwres Girl'z where she and other actresses perform staged combat-themed plays within the confines of a square stage with 3 ropes that wrap around each side, but it is NOT a wrestling promotion and they are NOT wrestlers, despite whatever superficial similarities they might have.
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Dawgstar posted:I was vaguely horrified if not really surprised to learn apparently Yoshiko came back to work at Stardom. As far as I recall it was a one-off appearance for their anniversary show, although she has been out injured for several months so maybe there was some other plans for her working with them. Yoshiko had rehabbed her image in terms of prefessionalism as well as she could in the years in between so not surprised Rossy would make the call if he thought it could bring SEAd fans to the show
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