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Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



Gaz-L posted:

Babyfaces cashing in to beat up a weakened opponent is so dumb. Like, who gets over that way?
It works if people really, really hate the heel, like Bayley cashing on... Charlotte I think it was? It is pretty bad storytelling otherwise

But a called shot is way better for faces, though they should really add rules, like they can declare a cage match / no one around the ring whatever

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Joey McChrist
Aug 8, 2005

punk was pretty over the first time he cashed in on edge, and then you know the rest

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.



Tweeting through it is ongoing.

bartok
May 10, 2006



Gaz-L posted:

Babyfaces cashing in to beat up a weakened opponent is so dumb. Like, who gets over that way?

I thought Mox cashing in on Rollins worked because it was one of the rare instances of WWE doing effective long term storytelling.

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames

Lamuella posted:

Tweeting through it is ongoing.

Dude just refuses to dig up.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
https://twitter.com/PharrFromHeaven/status/1437502267897352192

rare Magic card l00k
Jan 3, 2011


Babyface cash-ins on weakened opponents are always terrible and part of the reason why the babyface run after that fails is because a wrestler WWE has faith in would have a cash-in built up to instead of going 'gently caress it, we're not giving you a real push to the title, but here, have the belt!' The terrible run after the cash-in is because WWE thinks the wrestler sucks too much to actually carry their end of the feud.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Punk cashed in on a weakened Jeff Hardy when both were faces which started the Punk heel turn and it ruled.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Lid posted:

Punk cashed in on a weakened Jeff Hardy when both were faces which started the Punk heel turn and it ruled.

Danielson cashing in on Mark Henry turned him heel too, and that's fine! But they try and make it seem like an actual thing a babyface would do too, and it's very bad.

Like, have a heel champion duck a babyface challenger for ages and then they win MITB and say 'at the next PPV, I'm cashing in so you can't hide'.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Gaz-L posted:

Babyfaces cashing in to beat up a weakened opponent is so dumb. Like, who gets over that way?

I remember having that discussion when CM Punk cashed in on Edge after Batista had laid him out. The argument in favor for it was "The babyface looks stupid if he doesn't cash it on a beaten opponent."

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Davros1 posted:

I remember having that discussion when CM Punk cashed in on Edge after Batista had laid him out. The argument in favor for it was "The babyface looks stupid if he doesn't cash it on a beaten opponent."

Like most of the points raised in this discussion, that's really just another case for getting rid of the MitB rather than an argument against faces cashing in.

Shard
Jul 30, 2005

Gaz-L posted:

Danielson cashing in on Mark Henry turned him heel too, and that's fine! But they try and make it seem like an actual thing a babyface would do too, and it's very bad.

Like, have a heel champion duck a babyface challenger for ages and then they win MITB and say 'at the next PPV, I'm cashing in so you can't hide'.

BD was even better. Big Show FINALLY beat Mark Henry after no one could, and before this he was good friends with Bryan. So it had that extra layer. I think Brian and Edge are still my favorite cash ins. RVD is the only good face cash in.

Orange Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007


I feel like he's posted this exact tweet like ten times now about different bad wwe ideas

Kosmo Gallion
Sep 13, 2013
The baby-face should always cash in at WrestleMania to maximize their payday.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Kosmo Gallion posted:

The baby-face should always cash in at WrestleMania to maximize their payday.

the winners purse/champions purse is only canon in AEW

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Ganso Bomb posted:

A lot of the tweets are in good fun, at least. I don't know if there's a corner of Twitter that's serious about this, but I don't want to look that deep for it.

https://twitter.com/AndrewTRich/status/1437434931307810825

These are funny and great but why did you include Bret Hart's 100% genuine reaction to the idea of cutting off Kaze Ni Nare in there as well?

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Sep 14, 2021

Ganso Bomb
Oct 24, 2005

turn it all around

Jerusalem posted:

These are funny and great but why did you include Bret Hart's 100% genuine reaction to the idea of cutting off Kaze Ni Nare in there as well?

Had to try and test everyone once to see if anyone was paying attention

D.N. Nation
Feb 1, 2012

the talking points have been distributed

https://twitter.com/RealBShannon3/status/1437872504211652619?s=20

https://twitter.com/MUFC316/status/1437872584796803084?s=20

https://twitter.com/RomanEmpire2292/status/1437872701692002304?s=20

https://twitter.com/Dean_Paz/status/1437872808340557826?s=20

https://twitter.com/youropinionsuxs/status/1437873223480356864?s=20

https://twitter.com/HecBitw/status/1437873767091515393?s=20

https://twitter.com/Furnaccio/status/1437875125857226769?s=20

Destroy My Sweater
Jul 24, 2009

debuting talent on ppv is hotshotting

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
People don't know what hotshotting is and they don't care to know.

Dr. Baker
Jan 25, 2012

Numb me, drill me
Floss me, bill me
WWE moved a match from its PPV to its TV show and then advertised a second title match in less than a week. WWE tips its hand in a way AEW doesn't. AEW didn't pull Andrade vs. PAC from All Out and delay it on Rampage for a rating.

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004

Destroy My Sweater posted:

debuting talent on ppv is hotshotting

How do you hotshot a debut, like do you take it away from another newly hired guy and just have him appear in the background as an extra or something instead

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
Can't believe they'd hotshot a main event debut against the AEW champion from Johan Noname-Schlubb to Bryan Danielson, checkmate AEW stans

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011

Rarity posted:

Can't believe they'd hotshot a main event debut against the AEW champion from Hangman Adam Page to Bryan Danielson, checkmate AEW stans

Snacksmaniac
Jan 12, 2008

Found this looking at bad accounts in the "bro" post
https://twitter.com/PaulJames198/status/1437895928577470468

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames
I get all my Twitter scoops from "F&#$ You @youropinionsuxs"

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004

Snacksmaniac posted:

Found this looking at bad accounts in the "bro" post
https://twitter.com/PaulJames198/status/1437895928577470468

NXT is going to look like a Michael Bay Transformers movie, in that it will physically hurt to watch it

fatherofmustard
May 15, 2018

https://twitter.com/CounselorTejada/status/1437618673200533507

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




https://twitter.com/davidsSon85/status/1437633766512603140?s=20

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Nothing says legit and mainstream like a show that needs a seizure warning.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost
WWE is actually shows how they are

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost
Also Riho was the first women's champion and the Lucha Bros just won the tag titles from the god drat Young Bucks

kidcoelacanth
Sep 23, 2009

tony con

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APrPDwUosrQ

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Elephant Ambush posted:

Also Riho was the first women's champion and the Lucha Bros just won the tag titles from the god drat Young Bucks

What I love about these takes it that it took Vince FIFTEEN YEARS to put the heavyweight belt on an African-American. Even noted racist Bill Watts put the World title on an African-American wrestler before Vince.

Mohawk Potato
Jan 15, 2008



Elephant Ambush posted:

Also Riho was the first women's champion and the Lucha Bros just won the tag titles from the god drat Young Bucks

Notice the complete lack of mentioning Nyla Rose on these AEW hates black people nonsense.

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes

they've got you there
https://twitter.com/CounselorTejada/status/1437621973887111169

now you are the egg that was chosen

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
https://twitter.com/iamkrang/status/1437893690983428103

chanting "moments" as i rock back and forth in the foetal postion

Dimebags Brain
Feb 18, 2013





If Vince was racist would he have given Mel Philips a second chance? Check mate AEWailures.

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Tampa Bae
Aug 23, 2021

Please, this is all I have
With my bad math skills between 38-40% of AEW's champions have been not white, depending on whether or not Miro is counted as white

AEW has long reigns as champions so god help me I'm about to draw up the amount of PoC that WWE has had over RAW/Smackdown/NXT since AEW started

I counted 42 White people and 42 People of Color in the WWE with two "I don't know" (Fabian Aichner & Shayna Baszler) that have been champions since AEW started. That doesn't account for title length or that a quarter of the people that aren't white have been fired

I don't remember why I started this experiment

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