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Ponsonby Britt posted:I have some bad news for you about how settler colonialism worked! Honestly that's still preferable to 2% of the male population wasting at least themselves if not many many more, let alone what a false Dragon could wreak.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Honestly that's still preferable to 2% of the male population wasting at least themselves if not many many more, let alone what a false Dragon could wreak. From 1492 to the beginning of the 1600s, 90% of the pre-Columbian population of the Americas died (primarily from pandemics, secondarily from deliberate extermination), which worked out to about 10% of the entire world's population. I don't recall the books ever giving real numbers about how many male channelers there were or how many other people got killed, but if our number is "2% of the male population" then that at least is clearly much less severe than settler colonialism was in even its first century of existence. Again, settler colonialism: really bad! https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-01-31/european-colonization-americas-killed-10-percent-world-population-and-caused
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I was basing that on the 2-3% of the populace that channel, per The World of. And again - those lands were then colonised, because there wasn't a constant existential crisis going on. As bad as that is, it isn't an ongoing event in the way the 3rd age was. 3000 years of effectively being under siege has consequences.
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Sep 14, 2021 06:08
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Also going back to why the oaths made Aes Sedai less trusted: Dark Friends Something like 15-20% of the tower were dark friends, not at all bound by the oaths. They could just straight up lie to people and still had the oaths to hide behind if challenged
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DarkHorse posted:Yeah I always imagined the stone as unnaturally big and smooth, clearly something wrought by the power and not made by normal means I remember Mat climbing the outside of it was absolutely shocking because of how difficult and dangerous it was. seaborgium posted:They had a river close enough for trading ships, the Sea Folk wanted some land on it near Caemlyn and it was important enough to Elayne that she didn't want to just give it up. Other than "ships and supplies", what do they actually provide for the last battle? I remembver a ton of channelers making them obsolete, and don't recallt hem doing jack poo poo. Or maybe there was a paragraph or a statement once. Hooplah posted:
As far as we know, there could have been a different reason for them excluding the river. I don't recall them being particularly powerful in the world. Taking control of the river may have been a step too far with a neighboring power, or an infringement with someone else they're trying told peace with. Since it isn't addressed, we'll never know.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:I remember Mat climbing the outside of it was absolutely shocking because of how difficult and dangerous it was. You're misremembering. Mat got smuggled in by Julien, Rand climbed the Stone. But it was shocking for exactly the reason you cite. ninjoatse.cx posted:Other than "ships and supplies", what do they actually provide for the last battle? I remembver a ton of channelers making them obsolete, and don't recallt hem doing jack poo poo. Or maybe there was a paragraph or a statement once. Bandar Eban would have starved without Sea Folk resupply, for once. There's probably a ton of logistical poo poo in the background, aided by widespread use of Traveling at the very end. But I also don't remember them playing a big part in the actual Last Battle itself. No mention of Windfinders using the One Power to wreck trollocs.
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The storm that was tearing apart the wolf dream was trying to take hold in the real world, the Sea Folk spent the whole of the Last Battle fighting that with the Bowl.
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Torrannor posted:You're misremembering. Mat got smuggled in by Julien, Rand climbed the Stone. But it was shocking for exactly the reason you cite.
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Jaxyon posted:It's more of a vulva I think it's related to the famous poem: (TTTO "If You're Happy And You Know It") If it's longer than it's wide, then it's a dick! If it's longer than it's wide, then it's a dick! If it's shorter than it's wide Simply turn it on its side Now it's longer than it's wide, and it's a dick!
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TheFluff posted:this, though, is something that doesn't actually happen in reality. states and governments collapse, yes, and settlements are abandoned, but even in extreme cases like the black death, the thirty years war and the post-columbian genocide of the majority of all native americans, abandoned nations have never actually been a thing. even abandoned cities are relatively rare; it's much more common for people to build a new city on top of the ruins of the old one or just keep living in the ruins. as society breaks down though cities become harder to support, but outside of the most inhospitable deserts and the most remote islands there aren't any places on earth that have ever actually been abandoned by humans. yeah, he did it because tolkien did it
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seaborgium posted:They had a river close enough for trading ships, the Sea Folk wanted some land on it near Caemlyn and it was important enough to Elayne that she didn't want to just give it up. why not build the city in the good trading spot in the first place?
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ChubbyChecker posted:why not build the city in the good trading spot in the first place? With rivers, the answer is usual related to flooding
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Torrannor posted:But in any case, it does make it less strange that these cities, with walls that are for all we know quite old, haven't hugely outgrown said walls. Both Cairhien and Caemlyn have been noted as having done so: Caemlyn had the Inner City and Outer City, and a band of buildings outside the Outer City walls. Cairhien had Cairhien proper, and a band of buildings outside the walls (though in recent memory that was slashed and burned twice by Aiel).
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I think it's also probably important to consider that the Pattern is an active participant in the fate of the world. Like, how much of Ishmael's meddling - hell, even his being half-bound in the first place - is the Dark One's power being able to defy the Pattern, and how much of it is the Pattern itself demanding conditions for the Dragon Reborn?
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I was looking at art of Wheel of Time characters the other day, and it seems like there are two main sources: John Seamas Gallagher and Ariel Burghess. Here are their depictions of Thom Merrilin, respectively.   I guess Gallagher is more stylized and characterful and Burghess tries more for realism. It's still pretty great to see.
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How quickly we forget the last turning of the wheel:
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:How quickly we forget the last turning of the wheel: Posting art from this book should be a probatable offence
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lollin thinking of big time pop culture podcasts and sites having to read and interpret and publicly discuss the BBoBA.
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Fanart for WoT is way behind like every other pop culture thing in history. It’s pretty impressive when you think about it.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:How quickly we forget the last turning of the wheel: "Hey kids, wanna knuckle my mustachios?" I've never seen this, but it's horrifying. Where did it come from?
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The book of bad art is a lovecraftian artefact.
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William Bear posted:"Hey kids, wanna knuckle my mustachios?" https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250846402 Commonly referred to as the Big Book of Bad Art. If you click on the "Look inside" you can see a few more examples along with some of the old book covers. Rarity posted:Posting art from this book should be a probatable offence Death is lighter than a feather...
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the classic book covers have some vague amount of charm to them. this other art decidedly does not
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250846402 Lanfear's got a lazy eye. Probably why she's afraid to leave the house in her bathrobe. She looks a little like someone famous, can't put my finger on who. Myddraal with bowlcuts, lol. I agree that good Wheel of Time art can be hard to find. It's really easy to find detailed drawings of the female characters, though.  Oh, so that's what a "swelling bosom" looks like. Thanks!
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Old Thom Merrilin is a merry fellow!
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Well if the show ends up even mildly popular we’ll probably get good merch out of it at the least. Or they’ll just use the old art which would be way funnier.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250846402 I still have a copy of that somewhere
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:I still have a copy of that somewhere Keep it secret...keep it safe....I'd recommend a Stasis Box edit: The look of Pete Wentz is Fear Brolander fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Sep 15, 2021 |
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WoT stuff outside the Books themselves was hard to come by. Was just the BBoBA and the PC game for a looooong while. I own both.
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MadHat posted:WoT stuff outside the Books themselves was hard to come by. Was just the BBoBA and the PC game for a looooong while.  I gotta say though, for as much as darrell k sweet's work generally missed the mark both artistically and subject matter wise it is still invocative as gently caress and makes me want to exist in that strange world. ONE YEAR LATER fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Sep 15, 2021 |
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As someone who was used to the artwork in AD&D 2nd edition players handbooks, DM guides, and monstrous compendiums, the BBoBA pretty much nailed my expectations for a pseudo PNP RPG guidebook. It's objectively terrible, but the quality level and clumsy aesthetic was very familiar.
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aparmenideanmonad posted:As someone who was used to the artwork in AD&D 2nd edition players handbooks, DM guides, and monstrous compendiums, the BBoBA pretty much nailed my expectations for a pseudo PNP RPG guidebook. It's objectively terrible, but the quality level and clumsy aesthetic was very familiar. I was struggling to figure out why this awful art looked familiar and it's exactly this
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MadHat posted:WoT stuff outside the Books themselves was hard to come by. Was just the BBoBA and the PC game for a looooong while. In 2010, German power metal band Blind Guardian released this song, from the point of view of Rand al'Thor. It's pretty cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCLsqg05boo
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It is extremely expensive to get good illustrators especially if you're filling an art book. You can't afford Michael Whelan for 150+ pages.
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William Bear posted:In 2010, German power metal band Blind Guardian released this song, from the point of view of Rand al'Thor. It's pretty cool. Guardian was a huge reason why I started reading the series  They are so good live.
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William Bear posted:In 2010, German power metal band Blind Guardian released this song, from the point of view of Rand al'Thor. It's pretty cool. Ride in to obsession is another one they did, and it also owns real hard.
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This is LOTR not WOT but I love their song "Into The Storm" off the aptly named "Nightfall in Middle Earth", just because the first verse is so applicable to every day life:quote:Give it to me You can replace "treasure" with literally any two-syllable word and it fits, eg: Give it to me, I must have it, precious pizza, I deserve it Sab669 fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Sep 16, 2021 |
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i wonder if the show will be able to to at least somewhat convey that rand is basically a walking atomic bomb and everyone around him knows this and basically flinches every time he has a weird outburst
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It was suggested, either here or in the show thread, that this is part of the purpose of giving Logain more screentime: show just how powerful a false Dragon is, how difficult to capture, while the narrative is building up Charming Farmboy Rand. I think it's a good idea.
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