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It's going to be the same bad faith argument with these morons, whoever turns up. When KENTA appeared, the people that recognised him cheered and the people who did not recognise him Googled him. It's the same for Nagata, Kojima and Suzuki.
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Sep 20, 2021 09:57
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Good wrestlers get over if you present them right All you need is a short video on the Rampage before Ishii shows up with him stoically kicking Omega's rear end in 2018, and some from his Moxley G1 Match and a couple more clips, maybe interspersed with Kenny & Excalibur & maybe Eddie talking about how he's one of the baddest men on the planet
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Sep 20, 2021 10:02
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How to get Tomohiro Ishii over in two easy steps: 1: Put him in a ring 2: Let him wrestle a match
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Sep 20, 2021 10:07
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of course the best way to get who Ishii is is to experience Ishii. Throw him in a match against someone good but beatable (Kaz is the classic example, but someone like Bowens or Trent? also works) and just have him do the Ishii thing. Those who know will love it. Those who don't will love it in seconds.Cerebral Bore posted:How to get Tomohiro Ishii over in two easy steps: yes this
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Sep 20, 2021 10:07
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Kaz is the Elite Hunter, not the Stone Pitbull Hunter. Put Ishii against Johnny Hungee
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Sep 20, 2021 10:13
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Lamuella posted:of course the best way to get who Ishii is is to experience Ishii. Throw him in a match against someone good but beatable (Kaz is the classic example, but someone like Bowens or Trent? also works) and just have him do the Ishii thing. Those who know will love it. Those who don't will love it in seconds. the lowest star rating i can find for an Ishii singles match is 2 1/2 with KENTA at NJPW Royal Quest in that same time i noticed his five star matches with Hirooki Goto and Honma also he had a 5 and a half star match with Kenny Omega which i have no memory of but sounds incredible
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Venomous posted:Put Ishii against Johnny Hungee Excuse me, friend, but this is the bad takes thread and this statement is far from that.
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Sep 20, 2021 10:24
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Lid posted:the lowest star rating i can find for an Ishii singles match is 2 1/2 with KENTA at NJPW Royal Quest This being the match where KENTA got a very obvious and very scary concussion
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Sep 20, 2021 10:33
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that reminds me: last year, someone tweeted that Bryan Danielson was the best wrestler of the 2010s, to which I half shitposted 'he was the best in the WWE, but imo Ishii had a better decade' to which I got these tweets in response https://twitter.com/SuckaFreeTee/status/1320029597447147520?s=19 https://twitter.com/SuckaFreeTee/status/1320118421330296840?s=19
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Sep 20, 2021 10:37
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I honestly think anyone arguing against Ishii for the WOTD has an uphill struggle Besides, Bryan's best work was in the previous decade
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Sep 20, 2021 10:39
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Ishii doesn't have to be versatile because the Ishii Match is already the best match format possible.
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forkboy84 posted:I honestly think anyone arguing against Ishii for the WOTD has an uphill struggle well yeah, because Okada was better
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Lid posted:well yeah, because Okada was better He's probably the only realistic alternative over the course of the decade. Depends what we're calling the decade, 2010-2019 or 2011-2020, because Okada's 2020 was dogshit.
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forkboy84 posted:He's probably the only realistic alternative over the course of the decade. Depends what we're calling the decade, 2010-2019 or 2011-2020, because Okada's 2020 was dogshit. Sure, maybe Okada's 2020 sucked (honestly I haven't watched NJPW in 2020), but that doesn't really change his growth and peak as well hand his fantastic title reign with multiple 5+ Star matches. Okada is definitely up there. Ishii was probably more consistent but Okada's highs were ever so much higher and it's not like it was a fluke either. IGgy IGsen fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Sep 20, 2021 |
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if we're going to settle this argument i think danielson, okada and ishii should wrestle every permutation of match possible involving the 3 of them and then when it's over do it again until they've decided amongst themselves who is the best
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Sep 20, 2021 11:47
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forkboy84 posted:He's probably the only realistic alternative over the course of the decade. Depends what we're calling the decade, 2010-2019 or 2011-2020, because Okada's 2020 was dogshit. wow, someone isn’t a fan of the best maneuver in professional wrestling, the money clip, I guess
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boxcarhobo posted:wow, someone isn’t a fan of the best maneuver in professional wrestling, the money clip, I guess You're right, someone isn't a fan of either of those things.
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Sep 20, 2021 12:00
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Let's just weigh up Okada's 2020 being a down year vs Okada's 2017 which was THE SINGLE BEST YEAR FOR A WRESTLER OF ALL TIME. I think at its most charitable we can call it a wash.
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The thing about Ishii is that he isn't flashy or fancy in terms of appearance or moveset. What makes him amazing is how he does so much with so little in terms of a few different strikes and throws, and his ability to both sell and no-sell at the right times. Also, Meltzer once told a story about how Cobb had a match with Ishii where they beat the hell out of each other, and he asked Cobb afterwards if Ishii's strikes hurt because they looked like they did, to which Cobb responded with "Didn't feel a thing". I read that not as Cobb talking himself up and more saying that Ishii is that drat good.
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Sep 20, 2021 13:00
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Tanahashi erasure going on
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Tanahashi erasure going on the problem with of the decade is they tend to do poorly for people whose prime crossed over between two different decades, Tana's was late 2000s and early 2010s and thus not considered the best of either
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Ishii > Okada >>>>> Tanahashi In your heart you know it's true. No, I will not source my quotes. This is my take and it's good!
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Lid posted:the problem with of the decade is they tend to do poorly for people whose prime crossed over between two different decades, Tana's was late 2000s and early 2010s and thus not considered the best of either You say this like Tanahashi hasn't been consistently been putting on bangers for the last 5 years
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Lid posted:the problem with of the decade is they tend to do poorly for people whose prime crossed over between two different decades, Tana's was late 2000s and early 2010s and thus not considered the best of either Tana would have to be the choice for best of the 21st century, only person I would think comes close is KENTA and he spent all those years being injured in America
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SG Bamboo posted:Tana would have to be the choice for best of the 21st century, only person I would think comes close is KENTA and he spent all those years being injured in America this i'd agree with, though not KENTA and with Bryan Danielson being the #2
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Lid posted:https://twitter.com/shadowocs/status/1439647583769595911?s=19 isn't this the "I got this, Cleaner" Omega reply guy?
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Lid posted:the problem with of the decade is they tend to do poorly for people whose prime crossed over between two different decades, Tana's was late 2000s and early 2010s and thus not considered the best of either I think Tanahashi's prime spanned most of the decade with the completely arbitrary point of him changing his theme music being where it ended (excluding 2018) but yeah. Kenny will end up with this fate too.
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Karma Tornado posted:isn't this the "I got this, Cleaner" Omega reply guy? Funnily, someone RT'd the "I got this, Cleaner" thing on my TL today so I just had to scroll up a bit to find out. And no, that one is a Shane David with a different handle.
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IGgy IGsen posted:Funnily, someone RT'd the "I got this, Cleaner" thing on my TL today so I just had to scroll up a bit to find out. I think yesterday was the second anniversary of that tweet
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Tanahashi did top the Observer best of the 2010s awards, each is 1st to 3rd Lou Thesz/ Ric Flair Award (Best Wrestler) Hiroshi Tanahashi Kazuchika Okada John Cena Most Outstanding Wrestler Kazuchika Okada Hiroshi Tanahashi AJ Styles Best Box Office Draw Brock Lesnar Conor McGregor John Cena Best Tag Team Young Bucks Bobby Fish & Kyle O’Reilly Sekimoto & Okabayashi Best on Interviews Paul Heyman Conor McGregor CM Punk Most Charismatic Hiroshi Tanahashi Shinsuke Nakamura John Cena Bryan Danielson Award (Best Technical Wrestler) Zack Sabre Jr. Daniel Bryan Kyle O’Reilly Best Brawler Tomohiro Ishii Kevin Owens Katsuyori Shibata Best Flyer Ricochet Kota Ibushi Will Ospreay Best Promotion New Japan Pro Wrestling UFC WWE Best Non-Wrestler Paul Heyman Dario Cueto Gedo Best Television Announcer Kevin Kelly Joe Rogan Mauro Ranallo
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Lid posted:Bryan Danielson Award (Best Technical Wrestler) That's great 
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Lid posted:Let's just weigh up Okada's 2020 being a down year vs Okada's 2017 which was THE SINGLE BEST YEAR FOR A WRESTLER OF ALL TIME. I think at its most charitable we can call it a wash. At this point I should put my cards on the table & say that Tomohiro Ishii is basically my Platonic ideal of a wrestler. TBH it'd be a really fun project to do, because their careers are obviously quite different & it's not necessarily easy to compare them because of their relative positions in the company. And I was going to start here but then I remembered this is totally the wrong thread for good posts about good wrestlers.
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tbh I'd say Takashi Sugiura is up there as well for best of the last decade, but I know for a fact that I'm alone in that opinion
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AJ Styles is in the argument too, who I admit I forgot about because well falling into WWE is out of sight out of mind, but he was the guy in NJPW for several years and the only one to jump to WWE and manage to navigate the cesspit to be a main eventer there too as well as their best wrestler despite now approaching 50 and being undersized by WWE standards.
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Lid posted:Best Non-Wrestler Dario Cueto on LU might be the greatest authority figure of all time.
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Lid posted:AJ Styles is in the argument too, who I admit I forgot about because well falling into WWE is out of sight out of mind, but he was the guy in NJPW for several years and the only one to jump to WWE and manage to navigate the cesspit to be a main eventer there too as well as their best wrestler despite now approaching 50 and being undersized by WWE standards. I googled it and he was PWIs WOTD and I was like "oh...huh, I guess?" And also forgot about him. My inclination is he spent half a decade in bad wrestling purgatory but that's my own bias showing Venomous posted:tbh I'd say Takashi Sugiura is up there as well for best of the last decade, but I know for a fact that I'm alone in that opinion Actually ashamed I didn't think of him. I'd be happy to have Sugi in the conversation. Probably top 5 at least for me.
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