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AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016

Miguel Prado posted:

Are there fans of Erebus?? Erebusters? And if so, they must be right wing extremists?

I would imagine right wingers want to be the Emperor

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MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

MrNemo posted:

I did like how Erda described chaos and have me an idea for an analogy that would also justify the White scars/space wolves use of psychic powers.
Taking the Plato cave allegory, the warp is basically the fire behind the prisoners and the shadows on the wall are the effects of people on the warp. So the chaos gods are really big shadows cast by humanity. What Erebus and Lorgar are going is basically confusing those shadows for something in and of themselves and turning humanity towards basically doing everything they can to make those shadows bigger and more powerful. In this case that's basically driving all of humanity into the fire behind them because the closer they get, the bigger those shadows become (arguably everyone is also getting warmer and feeling better about life in this cave, shortly before they get pushed into a massive fire and burned to death).

I think that way of thinking about it makes more sense as to why chaos gets called the primordial annihilator as well. It's the effect of species getting obsessed with their own effects on the warp and seeking to grow that to greater and greater heights. If we assume the warp works that way it also makes sense you can use other things to channel it, effectively using some object between yourself and the fire to cast that shadow.

It also kind of explains why she is so dismissive of Erebus' talk of the gods. He's literally dedicated his life to psychic after effects and misunderstood what the warp is and how it works.

Similarly.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhOjLY0fez0

MariusLecter fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Oct 5, 2021

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug

Cooked Auto posted:

The only issue I have with Watcher, and something that got stuck into my mind a bit after a friend mentioned it and I listened to the audiobook, is that the plot barely amounts to much and it's just a vehicle to explain why there's a Custodes army all of a sudden.
That is not to say it does a bad job at it, far from it.

It is however a bit weird that the central plot point is just there without much prompting.

I feel like the purpose of the book, more than anything, was to provide a snapshot of Terra as the warp ripped wide open as Cadia fell, and it's secondary purpose being more fluff how well Sisters of Silence work together with other elite elements of the Imperium. I mean, a Grey Knight or a Custodes on their own is pretty loving bad rear end. But paired up with Sisters during one of the most insane battles since the Siege of Terra? Hold my beer.

Philthy fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Oct 6, 2021

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
Anyone pick up the new Crime book, Grim Repast? I still haven't got around to finishing Bloodlines.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

FPyat posted:

Anyone pick up the new Crime book, Grim Repast? I still haven't got around to finishing Bloodlines.

I'm about halfway through. It's really great. It's probably the most true to the intent of the crime setting than all the ones so far. I actually like it better than Bloodlines so far and Wraight is my favorite 40k author. Plus Marc Collins is just a cool regular dude in all the Facebook black library groups I'm in and he deserves your money. He got in through the open submission in 2019.

Primus
May 14, 2007

Greater than the sum of his parts.

FPyat posted:

Anyone pick up the new Crime book, Grim Repast? I still haven't got around to finishing Bloodlines.

I really enjoyed it! I will say that even for a 40K book I found it pretty gory. It’s a very atmospheric story too. There’s some references to stuff that happens in the short story collection No Good Men, but I didn’t feel like the story suffered for that.

von Metternich
May 7, 2007
Why the hell not?
The Siege series is too many books. The last two, imo, have just been wheel-spinning. Any one of the previous two big white scars fight scenes could have been the attack on the spaceport, and frankly at this point I don’t care if the perpetuals make it to the palace or not. I did like that Wraight showed some skepticism of the imperial creed, some of the other writers are a little too positive about it.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

I dunno I would probably make Saturnine and Mortis one book or maybe Lost and the Damned and First Wall, but I think Warhawk is good as is. It's really the turning point for the loyalists truly internalizing their imminent defeat and as a result birthing many of the touchstones of the modern imperium. Taking the space port back bought them some extra time and without it it would be over in days. Mortarion being taken off the board is a really big deal.

D-Pad fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Oct 7, 2021

Arbite
Nov 4, 2009





D-Pad posted:

Spoilers

C'mon dude, it's just released.

Dog_Meat
May 19, 2013
Well I brought Mortis and Warhawk and I'll get stuck in as soon as I finish Devastation of Baal. I'm really not looking forward to Mortis, but after nearly 20 years of waiting for Horus and the Emperor to finally throw hands I guess I'm in for the whole ride.

When the climactic duel finally happens it's going to be like a Seinfield episode, watching other characters watching the fight and commenting on it. Then 9 more books, each one leading up to the battle on the bridge from a different perspective, a 12 page novella of a servo skull trying to deliver a message to a navigator while the fight is raging and saves the day like a hosed up R2-D2, a 20 book spin off series "The Chronicles of Perrson", a quickly retconned short story where it was actually Sharrokin "Poochy" McMary-Sue who used his ninja skills and actually struck the killing blow from his skateboard while doing a gnarly back-flip, 2 short stories about the tech priests keeping the gate shut while the Emperor gets up to go waffle-stomp Horus, another 2 novels of...

Then a new Rise of the Imperium series where they tease "find out what REEEAALLY happened" and it turns out it was a time travelling Primaris marine that played a key role after a 94 book series. This is retconned again when GW release their newest upgrade consisting of a space marine wearing terminator armour wearing a battle-mech suit riding a dreadnought controlling a titan.

Another 30 years from now, I'm an old man sitting by the fire as a child brings me a miniature sculpture of some kind of armoured knight with a gun and a chainsaw. The curious child found it on a shelf and asks what it is.

"I was there when Dan Abnett wrote the first book..."

Dog_Meat fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Oct 7, 2021

MMAgCh
Aug 15, 2001
I am the poet,
The prophet of the pit
Like a hollow-point bullet
Straight to the head
I never missed...you

Dog_Meat posted:

a 12 page novella of a servo skull trying to deliver a message to a navigator while the fight is raging and saves the day like a hosed up R2-D2
You can't convince me that this wouldn't make for an entertaining read in the right hands.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

Dog_Meat posted:

a quickly retconned short story where it was actually Sharrokin "Poochy" McMary-Sue who used his ninja skills and actually struck the killing blow from his skateboard while doing a gnarly back-flip,

Whoa hey I didn't know Lucius the Eternal had an account.

McCoy Pauley
Mar 2, 2006
Gonna eat so many goddamn crumpets.

Primus posted:

I really enjoyed it! I will say that even for a 40K book I found it pretty gory. It’s a very atmospheric story too. There’s some references to stuff that happens in the short story collection No Good Men, but I didn’t feel like the story suffered for that.

I really liked Bloodlines and then sort of forgot that the 40K Crime series existed. What should I read next after Bloodlines -- No Good Men? Flesh and Steel?

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

McCoy Pauley posted:

I really liked Bloodlines and then sort of forgot that the 40K Crime series existed. What should I read next after Bloodlines -- No Good Men? Flesh and Steel?

All three of the crime anthologies have been surprisingly good. Crime just works better than bolter porn for short stories. Flesh and Steel wasn't bad but it also wasn't outstanding. Some cool parts though, like they visit a servitor factory and it is fuuuuucked up. Grim Repast is definitely worth it. Dredge Runners, the audio drama, was excellent and I am usually not into those but don't skip it. Overall the crime stuff has been really great and much better than I ever expected.

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
Is any of this stuff on audiable under a subscription by chance? I'm guessing no, but wouldn't hurt to ask. I haven't listen to anything in a long while, but I'm starting to do some mini painting and would probably be great background noise.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

I doubt it, but humble does audio book bundles kind of often

IshmaelZarkov
Jun 20, 2013

I just finished up one of the Warhammer Horror anthology books; The Harrowed Paths. Most of it is okay, a couple of stand outs. but the last story in there, Into Dark Water, is legit one of the best pieces of BL fiction I've read.

Just this super moody, depressing story that hit all the right notes.

Highly recommend.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
I'm reading Ghazghkull Thraka right now because Orktober but I think I might dog into the dark coil books next because, well, October.

Is The Reverie generally well received?

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:

I'm reading Ghazghkull Thraka right now because Orktober but I think I might dog into the dark coil books next because, well, October.

Is The Reverie generally well received?

It's incredible. All of the dark coil books are great but The Reverie is his best IMO. Technically it doesnt matter what order you read the coil in, but Reverie is one of the nexus books that connects with a lot of the others. There's an infographic floating around somewhere of all the Dark Coil connections. I would suggest reading a few of the others first. The Reverie is a fever dream mind gently caress of a book.

McCoy Pauley
Mar 2, 2006
Gonna eat so many goddamn crumpets.

D-Pad posted:

All three of the crime anthologies have been surprisingly good. Crime just works better than bolter porn for short stories. Flesh and Steel wasn't bad but it also wasn't outstanding. Some cool parts though, like they visit a servitor factory and it is fuuuuucked up. Grim Repast is definitely worth it. Dredge Runners, the audio drama, was excellent and I am usually not into those but don't skip it. Overall the crime stuff has been really great and much better than I ever expected.

Thanks. Any particular order in which to read them, or it doesn't matter?

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
Do we know what ADB is up to, and when he releases stuff next?

Kinda need a fix of well-written Chaos. Or his brand of narrative in general.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

Sephyr posted:

Do we know what ADB is up to, and when he releases stuff next?

Kinda need a fix of well-written Chaos. Or his brand of narrative in general.

ADB has been struggling a lot with his mental health lately (no secret, he's been open about it) so tough to say

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

McCoy Pauley posted:

Thanks. Any particular order in which to read them, or it doesn't matter?

I would read No Good Men before Grim Repast since it has the prequel story to the full book. Other than that no.

Sephyr posted:

Do we know what ADB is up to, and when he releases stuff next?

Kinda need a fix of well-written Chaos. Or his brand of narrative in general.

He is the next SoT novel, however, we should be getting a novella before it comes out so probably a year before we see it. He has confirmed in the past year he is actively working on the 3rd black legion book. He has been pretty open in the past couple of months about battling some mental issues so we may not see anything for a while depending on where his projects were at.

Dan Abnett confirmed in the foreword to the Double Eagle LE that he is totally for real this time starting writing Interceptor City!

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:

I'm reading Ghazghkull Thraka right now because Orktober but I think I might dog into the dark coil books next because, well, October.

Is The Reverie generally well received?

Read it, the author is absolutely up there with ADB, Abnett and Wraight

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

Improbable Lobster posted:

Read it, the author is absolutely up there with ADB, Abnett and Wraight

Hot drat that's high praise

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:

Hot drat that's high praise

It's well-merited. I would go slightly further to say he's probably the best author BL has right now.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

While I rank Wraight, ADB, and Abnett higher it's only because I enjoy that style more, but yeah Fehrarvi (sp?) Is every bit as talented. He could make a killing writing that kind of stuff in a non licensed setting.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




D-Pad posted:

I'm really disappointed that the Ordo Sinister was not used and focused on much more. I've always been intensely curious about them and they only had a few paragraphs of lore previously. Mortis hinted at some extremely interesting stuff with how they operated and their lines of fealty then they just kind of walked into oblivion and Warhawk didn't even mention them. Like I realize the traitor Titan force needed to win because they had to get to the wall for the next book, but the psi-Titans should have wiped the floor with everything and been much more of a thing.

Oculus Imperia did a segment(um) on the Ordo Sinister. I can't speak to his sources on this one, but I haven't caught him blatantly making stuff up either. I do think he is embellishing heavily here. Some of this is metal AF by 40k standards,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQu-g8K7qtc

Serpentis
May 31, 2011

Well, if I really HAVE to shoot you in the bollocks to shut you up, then I guess I'll need to, post-haste, for everyone else's sake.

D-Pad posted:

Dan Abnett confirmed in the foreword to the Double Eagle LE that he is totally for real this time starting writing Interceptor City!

Hell yessssssssssssssssssssssss

(To actually have some content to the post: I hadn't heard about ADB's health issues. Hope he's being given the time and space he needs by BL to recover.)

Fellblade
Apr 28, 2009
He's recently decided to not be on social media at all as well, so that will do wonders for his health I'm sure. Even if it was cool to get an insider perspective from somebody who is clearly a super fan of the setting, it's best he's still around to write great books.

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
I think it was mentioned he’s a lead writer for some huge 40k game that hasn’t been announced yet. Feels like an mmo maybe, but who knows. He’s always been having depression issues for years now, I think. The whole UK is kinda in a poo poo situation right now, so I’m sure that’s not helping things any, either.

boredsatellite
Dec 7, 2013

Think he's the writer for darktide?

Kharn_The_Betrayer
Nov 15, 2013


Fun Shoe
Abnet is the writer for darktide

Edit: I think ADB is the writer for chaosgate but that might wrong

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Yeah, Chaos Gate. Super excited about Darktide and Chaos Gate looks like 40k XCOM so I have high hopes for it too.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
Finished Warhawk, good stuff. The White Scars are absolute lads and it's a good closure to their collective character arc in the Heresy.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Philthy posted:

I think it was mentioned he’s a lead writer for some huge 40k game that hasn’t been announced yet. Feels like an mmo maybe, but who knows. He’s always been having depression issues for years now, I think. The whole UK is kinda in a poo poo situation right now, so I’m sure that’s not helping things any, either.
He's in the bit of the UK that isn't in a poo poo situation because of the Northern Ireland Protocol, so the brexiteers up there want to revoke it so that Northern Ireland is as poo poo as the rest of the UK and they don't look stupid.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

Philthy posted:

I think it was mentioned he’s a lead writer for some huge 40k game that hasn’t been announced yet. Feels like an mmo maybe, but who knows. He’s always been having depression issues for years now, I think. The whole UK is kinda in a poo poo situation right now, so I’m sure that’s not helping things any, either.

There's some rumors it's going to be a 40k themed total war or something similar because the fantasy one basically made both companies more money than god.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Telsa Cola posted:

There's some rumors it's going to be a 40k themed total war or something similar because the fantasy one basically made both companies more money than god.

They'd be leaving a lot of money on the table if they don't, it would silly not to.

I've started reading Black Legion after rereading The Talon of Horus. What a good book.


quote:

And so we did. We committed our burgeoning fleet to the skies above Korosan’s world, to rain fire upon nineteen thousand warriors, thralls, slaves and minions. Korosan himself was taken alive at the battle’s end. Abaddon gave him to the Aphotic Blade, who impaled and crucified him upon their battle standard. Servitors intravenously fed him the bodily waste of our Legion’s slaves to keep him alive. He survived for five miserable months.
Such is the price of defiance.

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016

Telsa Cola posted:

There's some rumors it's going to be a 40k themed total war or something similar because the fantasy one basically made both companies more money than god.

I really hope its not this, for one thing someone like Abnett would be wasted on something like a total war game (save him for a 40k cRPG) and for another 40k will not work in the total war engine, no matter how many redditors and content creators say otherwise

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Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Improbable Lobster posted:

They'd be leaving a lot of money on the table if they don't, it would silly not to.

I've started reading Black Legion after rereading The Talon of Horus. What a good book.

Living on piss and poo poo for five months huh? Those must have been some pretty healthy slaves.

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