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Torrannor posted:Was about to post that, him looking dopey is not a bad visual clue. It's not on screen a lot, but it is a big part of the Warder thing that they're almost impossible to find if they're trying to be sneaky. When their Aes Sedai is hiding or otherwise needs a guard they pop up out of nowhere on anyone trying to find her because with the cloak on they're mostly invisible. It's not on screen a lot, so I'm hoping they toss them in once or twice just to show they have them and that Warders can hide pretty easily if they need to.
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For me, maybe the part of the Warder cloak I like the most is the flashback to the man wearing the latest in fashionable fancloth outfits. That sudden "Oh. Oh poo poo." as one more example of civilian luxury being repurposed for war clicks into place. But then, that's just the entire glass columns sequence.
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Oct 9, 2021 19:01
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there was a rider....he scared me. his cloak--it was invisible, but only sometimes, when the rider would say "go go gadget" beforehand
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Oct 9, 2021 20:32
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Brolander posted:there was a rider....he scared me. his cloak--it was invisible, but only sometimes, when the rider would say "go go gadget" beforehand This makes me think of cybernetics. As the Age of Legend did everything with magic, the magic-influenced society of modern Rand Land has conceptually not much problems with them, even if they have no idea what e.g. that giant needle which kills everything getting too close is supposed to do, the answer is still somewhere in the realm of "probably magic". But how would a Rand Land society handle it if someone digs up stuff like brain implants? Imagine some magic society cracking open an ancient vault from 3000 years ago and inside would be cybernetic brains in stasis capsules and other weird biomechanical hybrid poo poo. How would a society where everything special was done with magic react to that? What would they even think putting pieces of metal into a brain was supposed to do?
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Oct 9, 2021 20:42
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"Those are some weird ter'angreal. Better call Tar Valon and not touch it."
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Libluini posted:This makes me think of cybernetics. As the Age of Legend did everything with magic, the magic-influenced society of modern Rand Land has conceptually not much problems with them, even if they have no idea what e.g. that giant needle which kills everything getting too close is supposed to do, the answer is still somewhere in the realm of "probably magic". They'd probably think it's hosed up Age of Legends magic that doesn't work anymore and recycle the metal or something. At best it ends up in some noble's museum like that Mercedes hood ornament in the palace in Tarabon.
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Gwaihir posted:I think the only cool little bit related to them is when Moridin first pops on the scene, and he's wearing a full rear end complete suit of Fancloth as a stealth getup while spying on Graendal and Sammael's toying with the Shaido. It's a nice reminder/throwback to the visions from the Age of Legends where it was just a normal uniform for soldiers, and it's kinda silly how they still have the ability to make it, but are sorta too nearsighted to use it as much more than a warder status symbol. I always liked the fan theory that the White Tower had a terangreal that could make fancloth, but they didn't know how to actually sew fancloth without breaking the invisible effect, so they could just make medium sized squares of cloth. Given the option between color shifting cloaks, color shifting ponchos, and and color shifting togas, warders went with cloaks.
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Oct 9, 2021 21:56
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seaborgium posted:It's not on screen a lot, but it is a big part of the Warder thing that they're almost impossible to find if they're trying to be sneaky. When their Aes Sedai is hiding or otherwise needs a guard they pop up out of nowhere on anyone trying to find her because with the cloak on they're mostly invisible. It's not on screen a lot, so I'm hoping they toss them in once or twice just to show they have them and that Warders can hide pretty easily if they need to. Aiel hiding impossibly close to other characters get featured a lot more often in the story than warders being sneaky.
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Oct 9, 2021 22:20
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Torrannor posted:Aiel hiding impossibly close to other characters get featured a lot more often in the story than warders being sneaky. For all you know. There could be hidden warders in every scene ready to spring into action and you would never see it coming
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Oct 9, 2021 22:36
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CainsDescendant posted:For all you know. There could be hidden warders in every scene ready to spring into action and you would never see it coming assembling the thousands of actors playing the warders hiding in every scene why it’s taken so long to get S1 out
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Oct 9, 2021 22:50
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Johnny Joestar posted:yeah, but at least this forum has no pull in terms of driving dumb trends online these days or inspiring youtube rant videos
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Torrannor posted:Apparently the Aes Sedai rings are all set with a stone matching their ajah color. Which makes me wonder how the wonder girls will pull off the "posing as Aes Sedai" trick, since accepted probably don't have a colored stone set in their ring. I sort of felt like the ring was something that was recognizable to other Aes Sedai but may not necessarily be something normal people would look for or twig onto.
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Oct 10, 2021 01:24
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Mad Hamish posted:I sort of felt like the ring was something that was recognizable to other Aes Sedai but may not necessarily be something normal people would look for or twig onto. The stone in the rings shown in the trailer looked huge to me, I assumed it would be a small jewel for the eyes or something
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Oct 10, 2021 01:28
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Mad Hamish posted:I sort of felt like the ring was something that was recognizable to other Aes Sedai but may not necessarily be something normal people would look for or twig onto. The supergirls flash their rings often enough at random people, and most recognize them for Aes Sedai then. DarkHorse posted:The stone in the rings shown in the trailer looked huge to me, I assumed it would be a small jewel for the eyes or something I guess that wouldn't work in television. I think it's a good enough compromise. It allows viewers to easily tell which ajah an Aes Sedai belongs to, while not forcing those characters to only wear blue or green or whatever all the time.
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Oct 10, 2021 07:45
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Many of the sisters color code themselves by their dresses, anyway. Especially after the split.
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Oct 10, 2021 09:08
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ninjoatse.cx posted:Many of the sisters color code themselves by their dresses, anyway. Especially after the split. They do, those in the White Tower especially. But not all of them, iirc Cadsuane wasn't shy about wearing non-green dresses for example.
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Oct 10, 2021 09:35
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Torrannor posted:Aiel hiding impossibly close to other characters get featured a lot more often in the story than warders being sneaky. True, but it was kind of a "Show, don't tell" thing that helped cement why the Aiel were so badass. The only people capable of hiding like them needed special invisibility cloaks to do it. Really I just think they're cool, and I want them to sneak one in here and there at some point. I can easily see that it would be too expensive to have them as often as the books, but tossing one in now and again would be fun.
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Oct 10, 2021 18:11
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buffalo all day posted:this thread just got finished getting mad about moiraine using her real name and the richest man in town having a big inn so let’s keep those stones on the ground for now Did Marion Al'vere know Moraine was aes sedai? I just watched the trailer and Lan introduces her as just Moraine, but then there's a lingering close up on her tar valon ring and "of course moraine sedai"
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Oct 10, 2021 21:27
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In the book? Not until after she started throwing fire and lightning at Trollocs during Winternight.
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Oct 10, 2021 21:32
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Maybe they avoid the long af history lessons. That being known would shave hundreds of pages off of eotw and later EF
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Oct 11, 2021 03:53
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Isn't Season 1 supposed to include book 2? How are they gonna do that if they just cast Elaine and Lanfear?
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The Glumslinger posted:Isn't Season 1 supposed to include book 2? How are they gonna do that if they just cast Elaine and Lanfear? It looks like the first season is *mostly* book one, with some parts from books 2 and 3. They also seem to be skipping Caemlyn. I just hope they don't leave out Loial.
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Oct 11, 2021 18:21
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Loial has been cast so I don't think they're leaving him out
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The show runner has been p upfront about how they plan to rearrange certain parts of the books bringing things in sooner or later. I suspect the ways are gonna be their way out of a jam in maybe Baerlon to the EotW instead of Camelyn so they can loop back to it later. I feel like S1 is going to eschew showing the larger set pieces in the world to save them for escalating the scale and scope of the story as it advances.
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RJ had a habit of introducing plot threads/characters/scenery that wouldn't have a real "payoff" for many books. i imagine that stuff doesn't play very well with a tv audience. maybe a bit moreso if amazon was willing to just straight bankroll years of production without promise of returns, but big budget tv producers arent exactly known for taking risks. like who's gonna remember or care about one throwaway scene from season two where they show that giant statue and fifty hours of tv later rand uses it to cleanse saidin
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Hooplah posted:RJ had a habit of introducing plot threads/characters/scenery that wouldn't have a real "payoff" for many books. i imagine that stuff doesn't play very well with a tv audience. maybe a bit moreso if amazon was willing to just straight bankroll years of production without promise of returns, but big budget tv producers arent exactly known for taking risks. i may be misremembering based on the things i was most bored by, but it feels like a lot of "some random darkfriend/black ajah plotting how they're going to get ahead" really takes up a lot of space too
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Hooplah posted:RJ had a habit of introducing plot threads/characters/scenery that wouldn't have a real "payoff" for many books. i imagine that stuff doesn't play very well with a tv audience. maybe a bit moreso if amazon was willing to just straight bankroll years of production without promise of returns, but big budget tv producers arent exactly known for taking risks. Game of Thrones did one hell of a job of dealing with this kind of thing with those opening credits swooping around to remind people of major landmarks and associated events.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:The show runner has been p upfront about how they plan to rearrange certain parts of the books bringing things in sooner or later. I suspect the ways are gonna be their way out of a jam in maybe Baerlon to the EotW instead of Camelyn so they can loop back to it later. I feel like S1 is going to eschew showing the larger set pieces in the world to save them for escalating the scale and scope of the story as it advances. Educated guess time. They're also not doing Baerlon. The first two episodes will be Emond's Field and Shadar Logoth, with an encounter with some Whitecloaks somewhere in there (Geofram Bornhald and Eamon Valda are in the table read for these two episodes). Then the party gets split. Going by guesses based on released teaser materials and leaks, we're going to see Thom in Rand and Mat's roadtrip. We're going to see a dead Aielman in a cage in Perrin's arc here, a tinker camp, probably more Whitecloaks, and a wolf pack attack. We're going to see Logain, probably an escape attempt, and Moiraine, Lan, and Nynaeve will help Kerene, Alanna, Liandrin, etc., in this section. Else Grinwell, Basel Gill, and Loial are all cast, so it's a good bet that they will feature in Rand and Mat's roadtrip. No clue what combination of darkfriends and Fades will feature here. I hope we get the hapless Paitr. That also feels like it's going to be about 2 episodes of material. I would guess that we get a CGI Caemlyn in the distance but the Queen's Blessing inn will be just the final stop on the roadtrip in the far outskirts where the rest of the party catches up to Rand and Mat. Ep 5 is probably some kind of catchup episode, we're going to get everybody together to talk about all the leads to send them to the Eye of the World, heal Mat, maybe some dark prophecy exposition, etc. Released material metadata seems to indicate that the journey in the Ways will be in ep6, and Fal Dara and the Blight will feature in 7. 8 is probably denouement, and losing the Horn will give us a cliffhanger lead-in into TGH material for S2. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Oct 11, 2021 |
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Educated guess time. Probably makes more sense to relocate Min from Baerlon to the Queen's Blessing than skipping the edge of Camelyn I can see that. I was thinking they may want to avoid the giant projection Moraine there and the ways would be a good way to cut that, but just excising that and fitting her character into the Inn at Camelyn would probably be better. We know she's in S1 based on the casting so she will have to be somewhere in some of that split.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Probably makes more sense to relocate Min from Baerlon to the Queen's Blessing than skipping the edge of Camelyn I can see that. I was thinking they may want to avoid the giant projection Moraine there and the ways would be a good way to cut that, but just excising that and fitting her character into the Inn at Camelyn would probably be better. We know she's in S1 based on the casting so she will have to be somewhere in some of that split. I believe she's actually going to be present at Fal Dara instead. * I *think* her shooting schedule lines up with the block 4 calendar. * This makes it so her viewings won't signpost first time viewers that hey, Rand's the guy.
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Hooplah posted:
I mean yeah generally, but that specific moment was awesome
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:We're going to see a dead Aielman in a cage in Perrin's arc here 
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Oct 11, 2021 23:49
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They just officially announced the casting for Elayne yesterday. I don't think Bayle Domon has been cast though? I can imagine cutting him from the story, aside from having one of the seals he doesn't do anything that vital to the overall story and you can easily replace the few things he does do with unnamed ship captains.
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Yeah I suspect bayle domon will, unfortunately, be the most prominent character who gets cut. Especially since his accent has kinda aged badly in the post "talk like a pirate day" era, and since "domon" "damane" and "domani" all sounds sounds the same when spoken out loud Also filming on ships is really expensive
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah I suspect bayle domon will, unfortunately, be the most prominent character who gets cut. he's a pitch-perfect dutchman though and i've worked with a ton of bayle domons so you do not be cutting bayle
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Invalid Validation posted:Hopefully they just cut Elayne out of the story. What a ridiculous take
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah I suspect bayle domon will, unfortunately, be the most prominent character who gets cut. I'm sad to see him go, but I can totally understand. Hopefully he can show up as a background character in the future, but he just isn't important to the story until maybe TSR, and even then, he could be written out
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah I suspect bayle domon will, unfortunately, be the most prominent character who gets cut. it will never be post "talk like a pirate day" era 
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