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I mean, one river or two.
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:I'm saying that Siuan is about as much a glorious river daughter as any other Amyrlin. I suppose that's true, so this would make the song a more general Amyrlyn hymn. Siuan hasn't been in her position for that long, so in-universe it would be strange to see a song specifically about her, and pointing out her fisherman's daughter background to boot. Ang going on about how she's not a laborer doesn't fit with her working class origins.
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Oct 13, 2021 15:54
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Torrannor posted:I suppose that's true, so this would make the song a more general Amyrlyn hymn. Siuan hasn't been in her position for that long, so in-universe it would be strange to see a song specifically about her, and pointing out her fisherman's daughter background to boot. Ang going on about how she's not a laborer doesn't fit with her working class origins. The speculation here is that the song either refers to Tar Valon being on the river Erinin, or that, being far more likely, channeling saidar is like slipping into a slow wide river.
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Oct 13, 2021 15:57
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Most assuredly since the trailer showed Rand in a river. Probably the easiest way to show magic on screen.
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Oct 13, 2021 16:02
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Torrannor posted:That said, Egwene was the only child of the richest and politically most exalted man in Emond's Field. Egwene has four older sisters
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Oct 13, 2021 16:28
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 at "mayor of Emond's Field" being described in any way as "politically exalted"
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Egwene has four older sisters Wow, that completely slipped my mind. Perrin and Mat's siblings are brought up a lot (and Rand's two half-brothers, I guess), but never Egwene's. How are u posted:
I admit it's a bit hyperbolic, but feelings of being poor are majorly affected by your environment. Egwene's father is at least first among equals in the Emond's Fields leadership, especially with his natural counterpart among the women being so young. And he's definitely the wealthiest man in the village. Siuan comes from a completely different environment, and Tear's fishers are never even hinted at being as wealthy and influential as for example the Ebou Dar fishermen guild is shown to be.
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Oct 13, 2021 17:29
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jng2058 posted:https://twitter.com/AlbrightWrites/status/1447367114822602755 I read this and assumed it was referencing how the herald announces Siuan's arrival that time: "She comes! She comes! The Watcher of the Seals, the Flame of Tar Valon, the Amyrlin Seat. Attend you all, for she comes!"
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Oct 13, 2021 17:38
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Torrannor posted:I admit it's a bit hyperbolic, but feelings of being poor are majorly affected by your environment. Egwene's father is at least first among equals in the Emond's Fields leadership, especially with his natural counterpart among the women being so young. And he's definitely the wealthiest man in the village. Siuan comes from a completely different environment, and Tear's fishers are never even hinted at being as wealthy and influential as for example the Ebou Dar fishermen guild is shown to be. Where are you going with this analysis?
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Oct 13, 2021 17:43
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Egwene was never really rich. In the series she's also never really been white, either.
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Oct 13, 2021 17:53
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i don't think there's ever even a point where egwene is talked about as being well off, emond's field is such a backwater spit of humanity out in the boonies that like the average trader in any of the big cities probably holds more direct wealth than anyone in their village does
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Oct 13, 2021 17:56
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Jedit posted:In the series she's also never really been white, either. Honestly it's one of my favorite realizations about how Jordan wrote the characters, you have a good grasp on their physical size and features, but not really a ton of their ethnicity which lets some of it get real blendy/open to interpretation. He did a good job letting you craft your own visual info for the characters and I'm glad the show appears to have run with that casting a diverse bunch of folks. While she might be one of the "richer" folks in theory in Emonds Field, in reality she's dirt poor compared to most anyone of standing outside of the area. She does a ton of manual labor in the town and doesn't get to rely on her families wealth to carry the day for her. None of the folks from there are what anyone in Randland would consider wealthy either. I feel like that's a minor plot point when they get reuinited with folks from there and they see their "glamorous clothing" that they all think its basically just whatever these days and not worthy of note to their former townsfolk. The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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The Notorious ZSB posted:I'm glad the show appears to have run with that casting a diverse bunch of folks. Same. They were all white in my head when I read the books 15 years ago, but I really like that they didn't have to be, and that they won't be on TV.
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Oct 13, 2021 17:58
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Honestly it's one of my favorite realizations about how Jordan wrote the characters, you have a good grasp on their physical size and features, but not really a ton of their ethnicity which lets some of it get real blendy/open to interpretation. He did a good job letting you craft your own visual info for the characters and I'm glad the show appears to have run with that casting a diverse bunch of folks. Good grasp of physical size and features except all of the women have gigantic breasts
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Oct 13, 2021 17:59
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The Glumslinger posted:Good grasp of physical size and features except all of the women have gigantic breasts VOLUPTOUS BOSOMS How are u posted:Same. They were all white in my head when I read the books 15 years ago, but I really like that they didn't have to be, and that they won't be on TV. Generally the same yeah, older I get the easier its been to read a lot of the characters and Randland as being a lot more mixed than when I read them as a teen.
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Oct 13, 2021 18:00
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Torrannor posted:Wow, that completely slipped my mind. Perrin and Mat's siblings are brought up a lot (and Rand's two half-brothers, I guess), but never Egwene's.
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There's also Marin Al'Vere telling Nynaeve in her accepted test "I have five daughters. Living, do you understand?" or something like that
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Yeah, most people where vaguely white in my imagination, except the Aiel who were explicitly Irish, and various Seanchan who were very diverse and had the only explicitly black people. Plus Semirhage, of course.
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I mean "coppery skinned Domani" is an oft-repeated phrase.
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Oct 13, 2021 19:43
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Torrannor posted:Yeah, most people where vaguely white in my imagination, except the Aiel who were explicitly Irish, and various Seanchan who were very diverse and had the only explicitly black people. Plus Semirhage, of course. I always read the Aiel as more central asian than Irish. A lot of those eye colors and hair types are really prevalent across the asian steppes down into the caucuses. Can't knock that instant association though. But the Aiel and the Borderlanders were the only folks I ever really thought of as obviously not mostly white as a young reader. The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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Oct 13, 2021 20:01
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Sea Folk were explicitly black
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Oct 13, 2021 20:03
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CainsDescendant posted:Sea Folk were explicitly black I think I more thought of them as polynesian. More olive/brownish than black black.
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Oct 13, 2021 20:13
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Oct 13, 2021 20:14
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There were plenty of explicit descriptions, it's more that as a younger kid it sorta bounced off my head at least when forming mental images of the non main characters. Going back and looking, yeah, you can clearly tell different ethnicities are represented all over the world. There's definitely a line talking about the Seanchan armies and describing looks of people from all over, and there's scattered descriptions of people in randland as well pointing to the different people in various nations. It's not a lily-white place for sure.
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:I think I more thought of them as polynesian. More olive/brownish than black black. Agreed the tattoos and chains/piercings still feel very pacific islander.
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CainsDescendant posted:Sea Folk were explicitly black This was always my interpretation as well but I could see the argument for Sea Folk as influenced by Pacific Islanders as well.
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Mat Cauthon posted:This was always my interpretation as well but I could see the argument for Sea Folk as influenced by Pacific Islanders as well. Noal specifically compares a dark skinned (but blue eyed) person he sees in Ebou Dar to both Atha'an Miere and Sharan people. I mean, Pacific Islanders, South Asians, Africans and a number of other real world folks can all be very dark skinned but it's clear the sea folk (and Sharan and some people from Seanchan) are as dark skinned as they come in Randland. aparmenideanmonad fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Oct 14, 2021 |
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Oct 14, 2021 03:07
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Australia being the Land of Madmen will never stop being funny to me
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Australia being the Land of Madmen will never stop being funny to me The Land of Madmen being Mad Max with Channelers will never stop being funny.
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Oct 14, 2021 03:16
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I WANT THIS GAME
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Oct 14, 2021 03:23
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If you made a game like Magicka where you haphazardly throw around the five powers while Lews Therin shouts morosely in the background I'd probably play it. A lot.
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Oct 14, 2021 03:25
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheel_of_Time_(video_game) It had genuinely great multi-player.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheel_of_Time_(video_game) I remember setting up my traps in my base and using the ter'angreal that shot giant green homing spheres at ppl and owned them. Everyone who played the Hound sucked cause Mashadar was OP
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Oct 14, 2021 03:56
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Barreft posted:I remember setting up my traps in my base and using the ter'angreal that shot giant green homing spheres at ppl and owned them. My favorite trick was reflecting people's "Swap Places" weave back at them, then jumping into lava.
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Oct 14, 2021 11:22
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheel_of_Time_(video_game) That's actually what got me into reading the books.
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Oct 14, 2021 11:44
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Oct 14, 2021 12:19
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheel_of_Time_(video_game) I have the game but sadly never had the internet speeds to play Multi. I tried like twice but it was not a good experience at the latency I was getting at the time sadly. Balefire Jumping was neat though.
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Oct 14, 2021 12:28
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https://twitter.com/TheWheelOfTime/status/1448680091156766723?s=20 I don't think it's up on youtube yet. pretty sick i must say. id like to see trollocs' faces up closer
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Oct 14, 2021 19:06
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i'm glad they're going with the weird beast creatures look instead of making them just look like orcs or whatever
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The Trollocs look halfway OK!
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