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Rugikiki
Jan 15, 2008

Illinois Nazis.
I hate Illinois Nazis!


IshmaelZarkov posted:

Hey thread so I just finished Penitent and I'm pretty invested in when Pandemonium is coming out please tell me it's soon I just need a couple of chapters to keep me going

:same:

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boredsatellite
Dec 7, 2013

IshmaelZarkov posted:

Hey thread so I just finished Penitent and I'm pretty invested in when Pandemonium is coming out please tell me it's soon I just need a couple of chapters to keep me going

Hah Hah haaaaa

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Pariah: 2012
Penitent: 2021

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





wiegieman posted:

Pariah: 2012
Penitent: 2021

While true, this presents an incomplete story, since there was that stretch in the middle there from 2012-2017 where Abnett wasn't writing anything for Black Library at all. If we ignore those five years than we'll only have like a four year gap...so you know, 2025 or so?

Chemtrailologist
Jul 8, 2007
He needs to write his Siege of Terra novel first, which may be split in two I remember hearing.

There's a sequel for Double Eagle coming sometime, and whatever Gaunt related novels he'll write.

Pandemonium will be a while.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
For people that have read both Warhawk and Penitent:

I haven't read Warhawk yet, but I'm not too concerned about spoilers -- someone in another group talked about Valdor in Warhawk taking the first steps toward turning against the Imperium and becoming the King in Yellow. Anyone else notice this? I'm curious if it's a valid theory to have in mind before I start reading Warhawk.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

No I don't think he is going that way at all.

I think Abnett said at some point Pandemonium would be a lot quicker than his normal schedule and he already had some stuff done for it.

Silly Newbie
Jul 25, 2007
How do I?
I'm about 1/5 of the way through Grim Repast - does this get any better?
It feels like the author was paid by the word and got to expense thesauruses.

0konner
Nov 17, 2016

I WAS THERE
WHEN CODY RHODES
FINISHED THE STORY

No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:

For people that have read both Warhawk and Penitent:

I haven't read Warhawk yet, but I'm not too concerned about spoilers -- someone in another group talked about Valdor in Warhawk taking the first steps toward turning against the Imperium and becoming the King in Yellow. Anyone else notice this? I'm curious if it's a valid theory to have in mind before I start reading Warhawk.

His whole deal in Warhawk is he’s single handedly tracking down that basilio fo guy while he’s running through old abandoned labs working on his astartes-extermination virus thing. Valdor finds him and essentially keeps him for himself

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

I'm reading the new Necron book. It is perfectly serviceable which is exactly what I am after. I like the theme that the Necrons are an immortal race that is dieing out, very melancholy

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010
Re: Penitent/Pandemonium Do you guys really think it's actually Valdor himself who's the King in Yellow or is it some sort of red herring? I kinda doubt it's actually the big guy and it'll all turn out to be a big hoax or something.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

We are in a comic book rules universe at this point (not a criticism). All bets are off.

Rugikiki
Jan 15, 2008

Illinois Nazis.
I hate Illinois Nazis!


Syncopated posted:

Re: Penitent/Pandemonium Do you guys really think it's actually Valdor himself who's the King in Yellow or is it some sort of red herring? I kinda doubt it's actually the big guy and it'll all turn out to be a big hoax or something.

Penitent certainly beats you over the head with nothing anyone tells Beta being true

Apprentice Dick
Dec 1, 2009
On the other hand Valdor would probably be one of the few people in the universe able to keep that many grails under control.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Penitent: If anyone could march the imperial army into the warp and build a beachhead civilization there, it would be Valdor. The receding tide of chaos in the wake of Horus' defeat would be the perfect time to do it, and the throne room has a convenient entryway. Who knows how long he's been pulling in resources from the Imperium in real space?

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Update to coming soon page:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/blacklibrarycomingsoon

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
Decided to start reading Cadian Blood by ADB. Good so far, but this passage struck me as odd

quote:

On one side of the cockpit, which arched down like a sneering vulture’s face at the cityscape flashing below, were two words in Imperial Gothic lettering. The name of the gunship itself: His Holy Blade.

Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Oct 16, 2021

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I've only got one word for you: Organized Crime.

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010

Improbable Lobster posted:

Decided to start reading Cadian Blood by ADB. Good so far, but this passage struck me as odd

Ok that’s its name, but what are the two words on the side?

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Improbable Lobster posted:

Decided to start reading Cadian Blood by ADB. Good so far, but this passage struck me as odd
Latin uses grammatical case a lot of the time we'd use pronouns, and Gothic is just bad nerd Latin. That or it's just a word like "athame" which implies a holy blade, and it's like "EIUS ATHAMUM" or something.

Dog_Meat
May 19, 2013

Dog_Meat posted:

I'd definitely recommend Dante. I've never liked the Blood Angels' angsty Anne Rice emo vampire bullshit, but Dante takes you from an aspirant rising through the ranks all the way to the very top and it handles the emo stuff really well and has a surprising amount of humour in it.

I'm reading Devastation of Baal, but if I'm honest I'm finding it a slog. I don't enjoy long, drawn out battle scenes and the 'nids are always boring enemies, plus the side plot of librarians suddenly having to go and do some ritual to stop Ka'Bandha from materialising on Baal felt tacked on and came out of nowhere. I did like the gathering of the successor chapters though, but I'd definitely read Dante beforehand.

I'll finish it soon, but I just don't have the patience for pages of descriptions of battles :(

Self quoting to follow up now I've finally finished it. I'm glad I stuck it out because it did pick up again towards the end of the seige, but it really sagged in the middle. Nids just don't make good enemies to read about.

** Minor, minor spoilers below **

I also didn't realise how much it ties in with the new storylines, so I was glad to have had the background of the great rift, return of Robute, primaris marines, indomitus crusade, etc. It was definitely enhanced by reading Dante beforehand though.

Quick question for people who are reading the newer timeline stuff - I thought Robute was stuck in his armour due to xeno-tech maguffin to keep him alive, but in Devastation of Baal he comes to speak with Dante without it. I'm guessing that got sorted and he can finally scratch his rear end?

Moose-Alini
Sep 11, 2001

Not always so
In the Dark Imperium books he was talking about weaning himself off the armor to appear less weak and reliant on it to others. A few hours at first, and I think he can go days without it now.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
Yeah he's still mostly in it, just not as permanently

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Man that wolf time le looks niceeeee. Very tempting.

Whatever happened to the 13th company or whatever coming back and all the wulfen? I feel like that plot died. I read the original book and it was amazing but than it was realized in like 12 or 13 short stories or something and I totally lost it.

Also, I read the first two warhammer crime books which were great, how's that going?

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Yeah there is a short story that is about how Guilliman manages to be able to take his armor off for long periods of time. I think it's just called The Armor of Fate iirc?

Waroduce posted:

Man that wolf time le looks niceeeee. Very tempting.

Whatever happened to the 13th company or whatever coming back and all the wulfen? I feel like that plot died. I read the original book and it was amazing but than it was realized in like 12 or 13 short stories or something and I totally lost it.

Also, I read the first two warhammer crime books which were great, how's that going?

They show up more in Wraight's space wolf series including the latest, Helwinter Gate.

This book being called Wolftime is very interesting considering Russ's return prophecy is supposed to happen in the Wolftime. I don't think we are getting Russ back, but I also don't feel like BL would just let an author use that title if there weren't a strong connection. I'm betting we get some hints or connections or straight up news about Russ. I also think that because of Penitent and if any of the old guard were involved in "the thing" that haven't been revealed yet it would be Russ because of his connection to you know who.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

Dog_Meat posted:

Devastation Of Baal:
I also didn't realise how much it ties in with the new storylines, so I was glad to have had the background of the great rift, return of Robute, primaris marines, indomitus crusade, etc. It was definitely enhanced by reading Dante beforehand though.

One thing I really liked was Robute's implication that he's not going to let chapters have their homeworlds be lovely hellholes anymore.

Chemtrailologist
Jul 8, 2007
also telling him to knock it off with that stupid mask.

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
People say to skip the titan battles in Mortis, but how about Titandeath? I know Haley can write some thrilling titan battles from Shadowsword.

Dog_Meat
May 19, 2013

Inspector_666 posted:

One thing I really liked was Robute's implication that he's not going to let chapters have their homeworlds be lovely hellholes anymore.

Well he did make a good point that if a wretch living in hell without hope is offered salvation by the ruinous powers he's going to take it

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

Dog_Meat posted:

Well he did make a good point that if a wretch living in hell without hope is offered salvation by the ruinous powers he's going to take it

He's basically dismantling the whole "hard places create hard men" narrative.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


One of the reasons that there are so many of Rowboat's successors is because they get their recruits from the gigantic network of military academies in Ultramar instead of horrible death worlds.

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
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FPyat posted:

People say to skip the titan battles in Mortis, but how about Titandeath? I know Haley can write some thrilling titan battles from Shadowsword.
The battles in Titandeath are firmly Okay, but all the backstory of the Legio Solaria is really cool and interesting. There's also a scene when a Dark Mechanicum priest of all people tells a Legio Vulpa princeps that their edgy hard man schtick is the reason their Titans are starting to reject them.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

wiegieman posted:

One of the reasons that there are so many of Rowboat's successors is because they get their recruits from the gigantic network of military academies in Ultramar instead of horrible death worlds.

Out-of-universe, it took me a stupidly long while to realize that "ugh why are all the cool chapters UM/IF successors, they're the most boring legions!" is exactly backwards. Imperial Fists / Ultramarines being boring legions with barely any identity beyond 'stoic' and 'diligent' is what makes them suitable as predecessors to creative / wacky chapter concepts with strong identities like "everybody has to break demonic possession" or cannibals or "we were primaris before it was cool". If the Mortifactors were e.g. White Scars successors while having their own fully-fleshed culture - with little or no trace of mongolian speed freaks - it would dilute the bike boys' identity; but you can't dilute the blue boys' identity any more than it already is.

And in-universe that's why traitor geneseed chapters are usually masqueraded as UM/IF successors. (Though you'd think the Sons of the Phoenix could at least have claimed lineage from literally any other primarch than the dull, morose one...)

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


I want to see a loyalist chapter made of Alpha Legion geneseed that are super paranoid investigators into heretics and cults, real counter-intelligence specialists that work closely with the Inquisition and who are locked in constant infiltration/counter-infiltration attempts with the Alpha Legion OR ARE THEY???

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

I want to see a loyalist chapter made of Alpha Legion geneseed that are super paranoid investigators into heretics and cults, real counter-intelligence specialists that work closely with the Inquisition and who are locked in constant infiltration/counter-infiltration attempts with the Alpha Legion OR ARE THEY???

Did you just describe the Alpha Legion? :v:

Bucnasti
Aug 14, 2012

I'll Fetch My Sarcasm Robes

NihilCredo posted:


And in-universe that's why traitor geneseed chapters are usually masqueraded as UM/IF successors. (Though you'd think the Sons of the Phoenix could at least have claimed lineage from literally any other primarch than the dull, morose one...)

It's also been implied, that when the two lost legions did whatever they did to get lost, their remaining loyal members were integrated into the ultramarines (possibly the same for the traitor legions) that combined with the Ultramarines being away during much of the heresy means there were just a lot more of them when it came time to split the legion into chapters.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

NihilCredo posted:

Did you just describe the Alpha Legion? :v:

In my headcanon half of the legion are actually aligned with Chaos and the other half of the legion are secret double-agents. This goes all the way up to Alpharius and Omegon, and no one will know which one is the true believer until they reveal themselves at the End Times.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Angry Lobster posted:

He's basically dismantling the whole "hard places create hard men" narrative.

Yeah it owns

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Gravitas Shortfall posted:

I want to see a loyalist chapter made of Alpha Legion geneseed that are super paranoid investigators into heretics and cults, real counter-intelligence specialists that work closely with the Inquisition and who are locked in constant infiltration/counter-infiltration attempts with the Alpha Legion OR ARE THEY???
I unironically want/am planning to do an army of these. Finally a use for all those Ultramarine chapter logo transfers, just stick 'em on upside down!

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Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


Ah, the Omega Marines
(I hate that color scheme, I think Omega Marines should be purple like the original Alpha Legion scheme)

Gravitas Shortfall fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Oct 18, 2021

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