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euphronius posted:Could a primarch kill a custodian ? Idk I would say yes considering the one time Angron kept a titan for smashing him.
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Oct 21, 2021 16:02
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Hm I think a custodian would be tougher
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Oct 21, 2021 16:05
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At least one Custodian isn't sure if he can take a chapter master, I assume a Primarch would win.
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Oct 21, 2021 16:08
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What that’s crazy. A custodian would wipe the floor with mere space marines Maybe I’m relying too much on the Chris wraight books
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Oct 21, 2021 16:13
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The somewhat generally accepted power scheme is Marines < Custodians < Primarchs with the understanding that enough of each level will cause problems for the level(s) above. If the custodians were anywhere near primarch level the Imperium wouldn't really be in a bind because you would have 100s of extremely loyal primarchs wandering around loving poo poo up for their enemies. You could drop like 2 on any planet and call it good.
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Oct 21, 2021 16:17
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euphronius posted:What that’s crazy. A custodian would wipe the floor with mere space marines I mean, the doubt happens in one of his books. Maybe I should say one Custodian wasn't sure if he could take one specific Chapter Master... Inspector_666 fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Oct 21, 2021 |
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Oct 21, 2021 16:17
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Telsa Cola posted:The somewhat generally accepted power scheme is Marines < Custodians < Primarchs with the understanding that enough of each level will cause problems for the level(s) above. Well they never left the palace
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Oct 21, 2021 16:19
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Inspector_666 posted:I mean, the doubt happens in one of his books. Maybe I should say one Custodian wasn't sure if he could take one specific Chapter Master... I don’t remember ? What was the reference
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Oct 21, 2021 16:20
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The latest Hammer and Bolter animation on Warhammer+ was really good! Finally something different, showing Eldar defending a craftworld against a Space Marine attack.
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Oct 21, 2021 16:20
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euphronius posted:I don’t remember ? What was the reference (Regent's Shadow spoilers:) To this day, I do not know what would have happened if he had done so. I suffer neither from doubt nor from pride, and so can only speculate from the evidence I had before me. Perhaps I would have found a way. I had felled some of the greatest warriors of the enemy in my time, including many who most certainly had possessed the power to best me. But, with Moloc, I cannot be sure.
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Oct 21, 2021 16:21
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euphronius posted:Well they never left the palace They have left the palace en mass in recent canon. That many primarch level beings walking around with the single goal of un loving the imperium would probably actually accomplish that in a short time frame.
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Oct 21, 2021 16:23
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Inspector_666 posted:At least one Custodian isn't sure if he can take a chapter master, I assume a Primarch would win. Valdor is implied in numerous places to be near-Primarch level.
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Oct 21, 2021 16:26
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We can just compare the statlines these days.
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Oct 21, 2021 16:33
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Telsa Cola posted:They have left the palace en mass in recent canon. That many primarch level beings walking around with the single goal of un loving the imperium would probably actually accomplish that in a short time frame. I still haven’t wrapped my head around anything since RG came back to terra
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Oct 21, 2021 16:37
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In on of the first Heresy short-stories (Blood Games) Amon Tauromachian ponders that him and another Custodes versus Rogal Dorn and four regular astartes might be a fair fight.
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Oct 21, 2021 16:38
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Paddyo posted:The latest Hammer and Bolter animation on Warhammer+ was really good! Finally something different, showing Eldar defending a craftworld against a Space Marine attack. Were the Marines the Invaders chapter? They're the ones famous for doing a balls out crazy attack on a craftworld.
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Oct 21, 2021 16:44
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The Custodes were always out sneaking around the galaxy, just not in large numbers. Defense begins out where the enemy is.
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Oct 21, 2021 16:47
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Custodians can definitely not take on a Primarch 1v1 with the possible exception of Valdor. Multiple custodians could potentially take on a Primarch, but even then it would take quite a few. That being said, there are always unique circumstances of luck or extenuating circumstances that could make it possible. Anything is possible if the author needs it to happen and the editors decide it is ok. A human has killed a space marine with a spear in the lore when he got incredibly lucky once.
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Oct 21, 2021 16:51
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Arc Hammer posted:Were the Marines the Invaders chapter? They're the ones famous for doing a balls out crazy attack on a craftworld. Nope, just generic Ultramarines. Pretty satisfying though to see them getting torn the gently caress up!
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Oct 21, 2021 17:05
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Primarch > Custodes (although to varying degrees… Horus or Angron or Sanguinius is a very different story than, say, Lorgar). But Valdor probably = primarch. Something really special went into the mix there.
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Oct 21, 2021 18:01
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D-Pad posted:A human has killed a space marine with a spear in the lore when he got incredibly lucky once. That's one of my favourite lore blurbs. Ended up getting the guy being made into a chaos space marine.
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Oct 21, 2021 18:10
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Paddyo posted:Nope, just generic Ultramarines. Pretty satisfying though to see them getting torn the gently caress up! Ultramarine Lieutenant: Your Craftworld burns, alien. Your warriors bleed. Your people die this day. Striking Scorpion Exarch: How proud you must be, of your ability to inflict atrocity. *mic drop*
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Oct 21, 2021 18:10
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Ardent Communist posted:That's one of my favourite lore blurbs. Ended up getting the guy being made into a chaos space marine. The short story Nightfall from the Heroes of the Space Marines anthology is about a ganger kid that kills a Night Lord during a recruitment ceremony, it's worth reading. IDK if it's the same one you're thinking of.
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Oct 21, 2021 18:47
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Inspector_666 posted:I mean, the doubt happens in one of his books. Maybe I should say one Custodian wasn't sure if he could take one specific Chapter Master... There's a theory that Moloc might be a mind-wiped Custodes. There's something special going on with him.
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Oct 21, 2021 19:08
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OPAONI posted:Valdor is implied in numerous places to be near-Primarch level. Valdor is also implied to be the Primarch of Custodians so that makes sense
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Oct 21, 2021 19:54
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Valdor is special, but as far as we know he's not a primarch. The primarchs were born in the warp, they are almost gods.
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Oct 21, 2021 19:57
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Custodes can like channel the emperor tho as invoked miracles or similar Idk.
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Oct 21, 2021 19:59
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So can rando humans who believe real hard.
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Oct 21, 2021 20:03
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This is turning into a DBZ power level debate.
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Oct 21, 2021 20:07
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hopterque posted:Valdor is also implied to be the Primarch of Custodians so that makes sense  The Emperor is the Primarch of the Custodians.
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Oct 21, 2021 21:07
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euphronius posted:Custodes can like channel the emperor tho as invoked miracles or similar This is one of the things they definitely can't do. The process used to make them is strange and not documented, but it refines them into something human shaped but without weaknesses, flaws, and most of their independence. Their abilities, and the way the warp parts around them without touching them, come from what they are, and are different from the miracles that sisters of battle can perform through their faith. The Custodes believe in the Emperor in an unshakeable way, but it's not like mortal faith - they are dependable in the way a rock falls to the ground when you let it go.
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Oct 21, 2021 22:35
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Zil posted:This is turning into a DBZ power level debate.
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Improbable Lobster posted:The short story Nightfall from the Heroes of the Space Marines anthology is about a ganger kid that kills a Night Lord during a recruitment ceremony, it's worth reading. IDK if it's the same one you're thinking of. No, I'm thinking of a paragraph or two blurb in a codex, where the guy is part of some horse culture that gets whipped up to fight the Imperium. They end up charging space marines (with obvious results) but the one guy gets close enough to put his lance into one, which a Chaos Space Marine exploits, then offers the guy to be made into a space marine.
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In First Heretic a human killed a Word Bearer with a spear:quote:'Slain by a human, of all things. An unlucky thrust with a wooden spear.' [He] tapped two fingertips against his neck. 'Tore out most of his throat, laid it bare to the bone. I've never seen anything like it. Blood of the gods, I'd have laughed if it hadn't been so pathetically tragic. He bled out before the Apothecaries could reach him, still trying to shout the whole time.'
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Oct 22, 2021 02:26
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AndyElusive posted:Ultramarine Lieutenant: Your Craftworld burns, alien. Your warriors bleed. Your people die this day. Eldar shouldn't be throwing stones in their glass houses in space. Also. 
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Oct 22, 2021 07:20
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Zil posted:This is turning into a DBZ power level debate. Do you think the emperor could deafeat Goku? Me myself think absolutly maybe he could if he got help from his custodian pals!
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Oct 22, 2021 14:17
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Ardent Communist posted:No, I'm thinking of a paragraph or two blurb in a codex, where the guy is part of some horse culture that gets whipped up to fight the Imperium. They end up charging space marines (with obvious results) but the one guy gets close enough to put his lance into one, which a Chaos Space Marine exploits, then offers the guy to be made into a space marine. From the second 3rd edition Chaos Codex (commonly referred to as 3.5). Really great piece. Cool idea to think about the Chaos legions recruiting from chaos-worshipping cultures.
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Oct 22, 2021 14:34
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What are some good custodes books?
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Oct 22, 2021 19:37
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The Wraight ones are some of the best WH40K poo poo out there. valdor watchers of the throne (2 books) Might as well read the Vaults of Terra books too euphronius fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Bob the terrible posted:Do you think the emperor could deafeat Goku? It's all about which universe it's in. In the DB universe, no one beats Goku, not in the long run anyway. In the 40k universe, no one is invincible. "Whatever happens, you will not be missed" and all that. 
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