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rare Magic card l00k posted:I wouldn't be surprised if Future ROH started looking like the NWA shows. John Pollock from Post wrestling said that same thing on Review a Dynamite.
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Sinclair just sees RoH as cheap content and with all the cost cutting going on they figured they could tape an hour of wrestling a week on a shoestring budget. Who cares if it’s good? They’re more concerned about the massive amounts of cash the company is burning through right now.
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Flip Gordon has powerful wish.com Sammy Guevara energy
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Welp https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1453826943678181381?s=20
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Oct 28, 2021 22:00
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Please let someone who actually likes wrestling buy it.
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Oct 28, 2021 22:04
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Tony you best be on the goddamn phone!! Buy that thing, bundle it with AEW's library charge WarnerMedia to put it on Max. Do it!!! edit: And if that's true Sinclair has zero interest in a "best of" style show either. ROH isn't coming back.
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WWE buy it, do nothing with it like the DGUSA & the vast majority of the Evolve library, someone on Twitter claims this is good. (For real, early ROH is going to be a loving nightmare. Because there is a lot of homophobia & misogyny. Do you get away with putting a warning at the start of each show? Do you bleep out some of the language? Do you cut out entire segments, which probably is going to piss off the nerdy completionists who would actually watch this poo poo? I don't envy whoever makes that decision, ideally I'd say you do the warning/explainer that this is a reflection of its time & the language & attitudes loving suck but I have no idea if that is enough for people) forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Oct 28, 2021 |
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SalTheBard posted:Is there no one at ROH talking to Sinclair being like "We should loving get involved with this because it will only be good?" It's just the lowest of the lowest priority. It's ran like it's own side business. Sinclair is much more focused on their rightwing propoganda shows and were interesting in buying up all those sports networks. And while that seems to be faltering it's still a whole different ballgame to buy rights for sports and to run a sports promotion. They can fill the time with their other in house crap.
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Tony can get it in a discount when he buys the wwe library in two years
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The article says it's only the Sinclair era, so 2012 to today.
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Oct 28, 2021 22:16
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its only the tape library from after the Sinclair purchase, so everything from 2012 on
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Alaois posted:its only the tape library from after the Sinclair purchase, so everything from 2012 on Still worth it for about 5 years or so.
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Huntman posted:The article says it's only the Sinclair era, so 2012 to today. They own all of it, tho, don't they?
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I don't see why WWE would want it beyond making sure nobody else could have it. Early Kevin Steen DVD's?
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Gonzo McFee posted:I don't see why WWE would want it beyond making sure nobody else could have it. Early Kevin Steen DVD's? 'making sure nobody else could have it' is most of their acquisitions over the last decade or so, both with people and tape libraries
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forkboy84 posted:(For real, early ROH is going to be a loving nightmare. Because there is a lot of homophobia & misogyny. Do you get away with putting a warning at the start of each show? Do you bleep out some of the language? Do you cut out entire segments, which probably is going to piss off the nerdy completionists who would actually watch this poo poo? I don't envy whoever makes that decision, ideally I'd say you do the warning/explainer that this is a reflection of its time & the language & attitudes loving suck but I have no idea if that is enough for people) It's best that we forget the Christopher Street Connection entirely. EDIT: I feel that I should clarify this a bit. We should forget them because getting a heel reaction off of guys kissing in the ring is terrible.
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1glitch0 posted:They own all of it, tho, don't they? I'm not entirely sure. I wonder if Cary Silkin owns pre-2012?
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I hope everybody got one final handshake.
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Huntman posted:I'm not entirely sure. I wonder if Cary Silkin owns pre-2012? I always assumed Sinclair owned it, but if they don't I wonder what exactly they bought. Some wrestler contracts, the logo, and... a couple rings? I just really hope AEW buys it. I don't want more of the north american wrestling history to be locked up in a vault somewhere.
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flatluigi posted:'making sure nobody else could have it' is most of their acquisitions over the last decade or so, both with people and tape libraries
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There's so much gold in the pre-2012 years too, and not just in the main event scene. I'd love for someone to put together compilations for things like the Jimmy Jacobs/BJ Whitmer feud, Colt Cabana/Homicide, Punk/Raven, Sweet 'n Sour Incorporated, the Adam Pearce/Brent Albright program for the NWA title in 2008, Takeshi Morishima mowing through the roster during the same year...
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basically CM Punk's start to about when Mike Mondo threatened sex crimes. That covers a lot of ground.
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Alvarez is saying the library's not for sale, so who the gently caress knows. Maybe it's the usual 'we'll listen to anyone's offer' bullshit that WWE pulls.
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Akileese posted:it sounds like some were going to bat for them but Sinclair is disinterested. This is wild. I imagine if Sinclair was trying to peel off assets then we would have heard by now so are they just...circling the drain and not even trying to salvage anything? They are trying to find buyers for the RSNs but there is a reason Disney and Fox agreed to decouple them from the sale. Outside of local sports, they have a major content problem; Fox was already consolidating that stuff and Disney was rumored to just be interested in canibalizing their rights for ESPN (and as it turns out could also just wait those out and buy them later separately). These things are anchors. The local sports rights are super expensive and then they just didn’t have local sports immediately after the purchase because of the pandemic, and my guess by judging the type of ads on the network now they probably aren’t getting the most revenue coming their way still. So they can’t sell off the thing they need to sell off to go back to what was a very successful previous to this for them before although that is what they are trying to do. E: If I write a post on my phone, then get busy for like five hours, I just need to delete it and not hit send. My brain doesn't catch the grammar problems until it's too late. Rick fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Oct 29, 2021 |
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Gaz-L posted:Alvarez is saying the library's not for sale, so who the gently caress knows. Either way I don't see why they would sell it right now if the plan is for a relaunch in the spring. If it ends up happening, they'll want their library intact. If it collapses (either before or after that), then they'll want to sell. But now would seem like jumping the gun.
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Rick posted:They are trying to find buyers for the RSNs but there is a reason Disney and Fox agreed to decouple them from the sale. Outside of local sports, without the content Fox had and Fox was already consolidating that stuff and Disney was rumored to just be canibalizing their rights for ESPN but could also just wait those out. These things are anchors. I'm not really sure what they were trying to do but they were so happy buying all that poo poo and then... nothing. Really the same with ROH. No real support or big plan.
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Do you think Sinclair offered their talent handshakes on the way out.
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algebra testes posted:Do you think Sinclair offered their talent handshakes on the way out. Maybe a zoom call
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1glitch0 posted:I'm not really sure what they were trying to do but they were so happy buying all that poo poo and then... nothing. Really the same with ROH. No real support or big plan. Yeah I have no clue. Eventually after owning a bunch of local TV stations for many years, they started doing weird and bad poo poo with the local news, so maybe that was the long game? Renaissance Spam posted:If ROH does fully shut down I want to see promotions do a Division of Honor with the handshake and pure rules. Give ROH a piece of the wrestling lexicon. To me it's one of the better wrestling gimmicks there is. I wouldn't want to only watch honor rules matches but it hits the spot right when used just often enough. Plus I love all the fish out of water scenarios they can do with it, they did the same story a billion times but it worked just about every time.
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algebra testes posted:Do you think Sinclair offered their talent handshakes on the way out. No, but the talent enjoyed the hot dog cart Sinclair brought in. Delicious, if a little expensive.
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Rick posted:They are trying to find buyers for the RSNs but there is a reason Disney and Fox agreed to decouple them from the sale. Outside of local sports, they have a major content problem; Fox was already consolidating that stuff and Disney was rumored to just be interested in canibalizing their rights for ESPN (and as it turns out could also just wait those out and buy them later separately). These things are anchors. I had somehow forgotten they bought all those RSNs from Disney. I remember at the time thinking "boy howdy this seems like a very bad idea" and it turns out it was. RSNs were starting to become an albatross about a decade ago so the fact that they bought a shitload of them in 2019. What's wild is I remember hearing they bid for the NBC ones this past summer. I guess their strategy was "if we own all the RSNs we can try to charge the cable companies a much higher carriage fee", but considering how many they already own and how much money they lose, seems like a poorly thought out plan of attack. With that in mind, how much money could ROH actually be losing? It has to be a drop in the bucket compared to the RSNs right?
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Ring of Honor should go to Carowinds or Kings Dominion and be run out of one of the stages there they use for concerts and stuntaculars. Theme Park Wrestling Stuntacular is the future of ROH
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Sinclair reached a deal to air Women of Wrestling (with Tessa Blanchard) starting next fall, so they're not done with wrestling
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Rick posted:Yeah I have no clue. Eventually after owning a bunch of local TV stations for many years, they started doing weird and bad poo poo with the local news, so maybe that was the long game? That's the thing. Sinclair can be very competent when it wants to be. They got all their local/national news shows in lockstep at breakneck speed. The entire news product was branded and homogenized with a very clear editorial slant regardless of the station and the market. They were pushing that poo poo very seriously and very quickly. ROH, sports, and some of their other secondary stations just kinda languish. Probably not costing them a ton, but not making anything either. ROH should have pitched itself to be the rightwing/Fox News version of pro wrestling and headquarters would have showered them with money. Chris James 2 posted:Sinclair reached a deal to air Women of Wrestling (with Tessa Blanchard) starting next fall, so they're not done with wrestling I believe that's a deal through Viacom.
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I haven’t watched ROH in a million years, why is this MSG show so infamous
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:I haven’t watched ROH in a million years, why is this MSG show so infamous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWZsngzKLFA
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:I haven’t watched ROH in a million years, why is this MSG show so infamous They co-promoted it with NJPW, who put in quite a bit of effort to put on the best show they could. RoH put on a series of shitarse matches where you'd swear everyone was in a fiercely competitive game of one-downmanship. I think this was also the show that noted rapist shithead Enzo Amore made his first RoH appearance on as well, so there's that.
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Akileese posted:I had somehow forgotten they bought all those RSNs from Disney. I remember at the time thinking "boy howdy this seems like a very bad idea" and it turns out it was. RSNs were starting to become an albatross about a decade ago so the fact that they bought a shitload of them in 2019. What's wild is I remember hearing they bid for the NBC ones this past summer. I guess their strategy was "if we own all the RSNs we can try to charge the cable companies a much higher carriage fee", but considering how many they already own and how much money they lose, seems like a poorly thought out plan of attack. I think you are right that it was a carriage fee play because they yanked all their stuff from most of the streamers a few months ago. They seemed fine with ROH not making a ton or losing money before all this, they were running it on a small budget anyway so to me it just has to be the RSNs.
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