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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Plus I think she had her own network. It's text that the Tower has spies, the Ajahs each have their own networks of spies, and some individual sisters (including Moiraine) have personal contacts. The only sister to operate a network in Tar Valon itself, however, is Leane as Keeper.
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Rarity posted:I just realised we don't have anyone announced as Ishamael yet. I really hope they're holding back on a big name to surprise us with I'm just waiting for Billy Zane to be announced for an unspecified character. (He'd make a good Rahvin!)
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Oct 31, 2021 17:55
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Hexel posted:Ah yeah that makes sense Have a quote from RJ about it (spoilers obviously): https://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=204 quote:QUESTION A lot of people speculate that there's some weird TAR overlap that happens when the horn is blown, and also that many of Rand's early fights vs. the Forsaken happen in TAR with him unknowingly chasing them there physically (FOH spoilers he first does this consciously with Rahvin). Not sure if there's a real answer on what exactly is going on though. AMoL spoilers: When the horn is blown by Olver in AMoL this doesn't happen, though Rand is busy at the bore chattin' it up with Shaitan at the time while multiple armies are fighting all over, so the binding of the battles' outcomes to Rand's personal fight is expanded in scope significantly beyond a fight in a single city.
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Oct 31, 2021 17:56
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i feel like the Falme stuff is one of those things where it seemed cool at the time and then didn't really fit into the mechanics jordan set up later so it's just "the Wheel did it"
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Oct 31, 2021 18:29
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You’d have to start letting people fly and that’s probably harder to write around than portals. Let’s just pretend they were really fighting in a field and one powered a projection into the clouds cause Rand instinctively knew it would look badass.
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Oct 31, 2021 18:37
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Rand and Isshy fighting in a field while the wheel is live streamlining to skystagram screaming WORLD STAAAAR
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Oct 31, 2021 18:49
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How are u posted:Are there any other pods with first time readers? There's a few out there, to varying degrees of quality. The Wheel Weaves is probably most similar to Wheel Takes in terms of quality production. Cool Story is pretty good, particularly if you like hearing queer folks' perspective on things. There's some others out there but most either have bad audio or poor host chemistry imo
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Oct 31, 2021 19:32
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Vavrek posted:I'm just waiting for Billy Zane to be announced for an unspecified character. In a surprise twist, Billy Zane is Moridin!
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Oct 31, 2021 20:11
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:In a surprise twist, Billy Zane is Moridin! No, no, he's too old. He'd be a great Lews Therin, though. Wonderful little twist for the fans of his previous work. Just ... give him time to rehearse and multiple takes to get his lines right, this time.
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Oct 31, 2021 20:18
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:In a surprise twist, Billy Zane is Moridin! Lews Junior!
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Oct 31, 2021 20:21
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CainsDescendant posted:There's a few out there, to varying degrees of quality. The Wheel Weaves is probably most similar to Wheel Takes in terms of quality production. Cool Story is pretty good, particularly if you like hearing queer folks' perspective on things. There's some others out there but most either have bad audio or poor host chemistry imo I've been listening to both Weaves and Takes. While Wheel Weaves has a decent production technically Wheel Takes just clicks more for me. Wheel Weaves I feel like isn't reading as carefully, as skeptically... and I think the first reader is sticking too hard to a lot of the first read pitfalls. Wheel Takes also is a lot more into the specific horny energy the series is into. Example, in TSR, when Perrin's wounded war party finds Raen and Ila's camp, he greets Raen in the exact formula that he saw Elyas do once. Wheel Weaves' Dani is all like "I don't believe that he memorized that whole thing". There's no chasing of that conclusion and no followup. The whole podcast is like that. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Oct 31, 2021 |
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Oct 31, 2021 21:23
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:I've been listening to both Weaves and Takes. Wheel Weaves is a Harry Potter-obsessed wine mom being forced to read the books by her dorky husband, which is sometimes fun and sometimes aggravating. I definitely prefer the horny theatre kid energy of Wheel Takes as well
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Oct 31, 2021 21:51
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The best episode of Wheel Takes is the one where Ali breaks down in giggles for about an hour because Gus shows her the map of Tar Valon
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Oct 31, 2021 22:22
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CainsDescendant posted:Wheel Weaves is a Harry Potter-obsessed wine mom being forced to read the books by her dorky husband,  Yeesh. Thanks for the heads-up. Like, I could imagine liking that, if Harry Potter had been the kind of amazing, transformative, introduction-to-fantasy experience for me that apparently it was for other people, but ...CainsDescendant posted:which is sometimes fun and sometimes aggravating. I definitely prefer the horny theatre kid energy of Wheel Takes as well (And, immediately before that, discussing how things looked to Berelain: "He's in his underwear, right?" "Yeah, he's in his smallclothes." "And he just woke up out of a sex dream?" "A sex dream that suddenly turned bloody and horrific, yes." "So he's at full mast.")
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Oct 31, 2021 22:42
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The best episode of Wheel Takes is the one where Ali breaks down in giggles for about an hour because Gus shows her the map of Tar Valon Which episode is that? Lol
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Oct 31, 2021 22:56
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Another thing I'm having a hard time with this readthrough is them walking over and over the thought that the Aiel reject the idea of spying entirely--the clan chiefs refuse to spy on the Shaido, the Wise Ones refuse to spy on the Shaido, people sent to spy on the Aiel are treated worse than da'tsang, but Dani (and maybe Brett, I don't know) just have absolutely no problem with the idea that Aviendha was actually sent to spy on Rand.
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Oct 31, 2021 23:26
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Barreft posted:Which episode is that? Lol https://pod.casts.io/podcasts/wheel-takes/episodes/tgh-ch17-18-thank-god-for-that-old-pervert
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:https://pod.casts.io/podcasts/wheel-takes/episodes/tgh-ch17-18-thank-god-for-that-old-pervert It's so juvenile but I still love when people realize it
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Another thing I'm having a hard time with this readthrough is them walking over and over the thought that the Aiel reject the idea of spying entirely--the clan chiefs refuse to spy on the Shaido, the Wise Ones refuse to spy on the Shaido, people sent to spy on the Aiel are treated worse than da'tsang, but Dani (and maybe Brett, I don't know) just have absolutely no problem with the idea that Aviendha was actually sent to spy on Rand.
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aparmenideanmonad posted:It can be argued that Aviendha as a spy is a cover story that the Wise Ones are happy to let Rand believe so that he doesn't suspect their real plan, that she's there as a love interest and to bind Rand to the Aiel and "know his blood". I'm guessing the reason for this is a combo of Rhuidean visions + foretelling style dreams like Egwene has + spying on Rand's dreams and seeing him skinny dipping with Aviendha (and Min and Elayne while Egwene and/or Lanfear look on disapprovingly) every night. Which, more directly to the spying point, the dreamwalker Wise Ones are explicitly spying via dreams and are pissed once he learns the appropriate wards from Asmodean so....yeah. You also notice that Moiraine occasionally let the Wise Ones share in her snooping on Rand. But I feel like this is the Wise Ones very clearly deciding that what Moiraine's trick does, and their dreamwalking does, is not spying per se. The physical act of spying, however, goes against honor. But yes, placing Aviendha in proximity to Rand is pretty specifically for the purpose of tying Rand back to the Aiel--Aviendha's Wise One teachers slip occasionally about how "if only you had been successful by now", and "she's more successful than you think" etc. Like, going so far as putting her in Rand's bedchambers. It's doubly funny when Egwene tries to talk to the Wise Ones about it when you realize Aviendha knows what it's about and Egwene does not. I'm not sure what the original plan was for Aviendha's apprenticeship and the Dragon's Peace unveiling at the Fields of Merrilor, but Brandon Sanderson clearly picked up on the Wise Ones' actual plan when he put together Aviendha's glass columns vision in Towers of Midnight--she could see into the central future of the Aiel because she would bear Rand's blood forward in time. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Nov 1, 2021 |
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Barreft posted:It's so juvenile but I still love when people realize it It's really incredible, because when you first hear about it there's a pretty reasonable "well, it's a river island, right? Those tend to have a characteristic shape anyway, so it it could be a subtle reference or fans just reading too much into it ..." And then you see the picture.
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CainsDescendant posted:Wheel Weaves is a Harry Potter-obsessed wine mom being forced to read the books by her dorky husband, which is sometimes fun and sometimes aggravating. I definitely prefer the horny theatre kid energy of Wheel Takes as well Whoa whoa whoa now. I get that this is a take that's out there, because I've seen it elsewhere, but you don't get a 3 episodes/2 weeks schedule for 2 and half years that involves someone that hates the material. I think part of it is the understated dry-wit that Dani is going for (which I can definitely see as not everyone's cup of tea, especially if you don't know what living in Edmonton does to folks). At the end of the day, it's just great having more people invested enough in the books to put out these types of fan-generated content for us all to dive into. Good to have options and different ways to approach the material (which aren't even mutually exclusive; I support both Wheel Takes and Wheel Weaves on Patreon).
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RedFlag posted:Whoa whoa whoa now. I get that this is a take that's out there, because I've seen it elsewhere, but you don't get a 3 episodes/2 weeks schedule for 2 and half years that involves someone that hates the material. I think part of it is the understated dry-wit that Dani is going for (which I can definitely see as not everyone's cup of tea, especially if you don't know what living in Edmonton does to folks). Yeah now they're full throated Donald Rumsfeld backing the jackboot plans of early TFoH Rand so uhhhh Maybe like, I dunno Give this one a hard loving pass
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There's a certain baseline level of "ok these guys are against the female characters because they get in the way of the male characters having an adventure" that I'll overlook, but this frankly ain't it Tripping over and cheerleading the "might makes right" and "let's get the trains on time" trap as adults says it's a fundamental misunderstanding of the entire material, at a minimum. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Nov 1, 2021 |
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Nov 1, 2021 06:39
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I have no idea what you’re referring to
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Did Rand ever use the Aiel to straight up conquer poo poo, apart from Arad Doman? The Aiel presence did help in Tear, but they weren't his at that point, and claiming Callandor, proving himself to be the Dragon Reborn, that counted for a lot, too. Cairhien he straight up saved from Couladin, and he liberated Caemlyn from Rahvin (who even had quite a few trollocs and Myrdraal in the city). He conquered/liberated Illian from Sammael, but used the Saldaeans instead. And the text made it clear that the Council of Nine might very well have chosen a different king if not for the grain he ordered shipped to Illian. The Aiel were mostly busy dealing with the Shaido, and the Seanchan later on.
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Nov 1, 2021 08:22
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Let's not mince words. He conquered all those places with Aiel.
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:You also notice that Moiraine occasionally let the Wise Ones share in her snooping on Rand. I always thought about it as the Wise One's job is to know everyone's business, and to do that they won't spy on you by disguising who they are or hiding anything. They'll simply look or listen to what they want, and tough titties for you if it's done in a dream. Spying involves sneaking about and even worse, disguising yourself, which is the same as lying - and that violates ji'e'toh.
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CainsDescendant posted:Wheel Weaves is a Harry Potter-obsessed wine mom being forced to read the books by her dorky husband, which is sometimes fun and sometimes aggravating. I definitely prefer the horny theatre kid energy of Wheel Takes as well The funniest thing to me was them discussing the reason for Thom's exile from Caemlyn was him dropping a diss track about Morgase.
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JOHN SKELETON posted:Horny theatre kids is the perfect description for Wheel Takes. Yeah, and that was never my crowd and maybe that's why I find it a little cringe. Angry wine-mom with dry humor sounds promising, maybe I'll check that out.
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Don't Ask posted:I always thought about it as the Wise One's job is to know everyone's business, and to do that they won't spy on you by disguising who they are or hiding anything. They'll simply look or listen to what they want, and tough titties for you if it's done in a dream. Sneaking does not seem to violate ji'e'toh, even in the Aiel's highly ji'e'toh honorbound form of warfare. Lying does not seem to accrue that much dishonor, Aviendha only had to admit it to Bair, not Rand or the other person, and Bair thought it a waste of her time to punish Aviendha for it. I think you're close, but not close enough. How are u posted:Yeah, and that was never my crowd and maybe that's why I find it a little cringe. Angry wine-mom with dry humor sounds promising, maybe I'll check that out. And I don't think that's an accurate description of Brett and Dani. I don't think they're getting close enough to insightful or critical enough reads (like neuxue or Gus and Ali) for it to be as wildly entertaining, and I think some of their takes are extremely cringe in terms of like ... anything. Right now, for example, they're fully backing Rand's powertrip against all in-universe criticism. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Nov 1, 2021 |
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:
I don't really care about insightful criticism. I'm looking to enjoy somebody going through the series for the first time, in a way that's not grating to me. If some folks are reading it and thinking "alright yeah Rand, blow 'em all up!" I'm not going to get grumpy because the readers are not adhering to proper politics. There's not a "right" way to enjoy the books, there are just "ways" that people have. Some folks want to snort and giggle and be horny, that's fine, but it doesn't really do it for me.
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"Horny theatre kids podcast" just makes me immediately make the  face
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There’s nowhere near enough breaking out into song for me to classify Wheel Takes as full theater kid energy
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Invalid Validation posted:You’d have to start letting people fly and that’s probably harder to write around than portals. Let’s just pretend they were really fighting in a field and one powered a projection into the clouds cause Rand instinctively knew it would look badass. As to why it opens at that particular position in the sky so everyone can see.... uh... Ta'veren!
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Democratic Pirate posted:There’s nowhere near enough breaking out into song for me to classify Wheel Takes as full theater kid energy There's...there's definitely some of it, though.
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the husband and wife one that was linked before was extremely bad. the wife was trying to say that obviously the protagonist of a 14 book series isn't going to die to these random monsters in book 2 and the husband kept saying "wweeeeeeheheelllll I don't know the monsters are pretty dangerous!." this lovely dynamic that kept going back and forth between trying to lead her to come to a particular conclusion so he can go oh nope you're wrong!
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I always assumed the super weird poo poo that happens between Ba'alzamon and Rand is Ish just drawing insane amounts of the True Power and it going completely batshit as a result.
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