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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

gonna do a separate post so I can paste the text as it's behind a paywall. I started reading this and it's a pretty interesting book! Gets at what I'm feeling, which is that the basic principle of minimalism (decluttering (especially when you are able to donate unused items to someone in need), reducing consumption (both what you buy, and the conspicuous type), being more conscientious about what you buy) is good, but "minimalism" in the last 5-10 years, like everything else, has become heavily commodified. The real problem (imo) is capitalism, and a society that values people by what they own.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/books/review-longing-for-less-minimalism-kyle-chayka.html

quote:

As a millennial who graduated from college in 2010, in the lingering wake of the financial crisis, the cultural critic Kyle Chayka haltingly admits to being a minimalist, but only “by default.”

When he began writing “The Longing for Less,” he was put off by how minimalism had become commodified — a smug cure-all that countered late-capitalist malaise with self-help books by Marie Kondo and seasonal pilgrimages to The Container Store. His own minimalism was a consequence of living as an underpaid writer in New York: No basements and no closets meant no storage space for stuff.

But those two kinds of minimalism — sleek lifestyle branding and enforced austerity — don’t quite convey the enormousness of the subject Chayka explores in this slender book. Delving into art, architecture, music and philosophy, he wants to learn why the idea of “less is more” keeps resurfacing. He sees it as a shadow to material progress, a reaction to abundance, a manifestation of civilization’s discontents. He remembers growing up in a three-story house with a two-car garage in rural Connecticut and feeling mildly oppressed by “detritus scattered at random all over the place.”

The book itself is like an exercise in decluttering, as Chayka cycles through different ideas in order to find those he wants to keep. An inevitable section on Kondo doesn’t find much to commend in her approach, deeming it a force for homogeneity and, like comparable books in the genre, “an exercise in banality.” For Chayka, Kondo’s method clearly doesn’t spark joy.

More generative for him are the examples of artists who became known as Minimalists even as they disavowed the term. Experiencing their work sharpens his senses; in place of the dull hum of overstimulation, Chayka gains a heightened existential awareness. Walter De Maria’s “The New York Earth Room,” a pile of loose soil that takes up the expanse of a second-floor loft in SoHo, evokes vivid memories of the woods near Chayka’s childhood home. Donald Judd’s aluminum boxes in Marfa, Tex., suggest an “absolute freedom” that the author finds “implacable, aggressive and intimidating.” Chayka is moved when he considers how Agnes Martin created her ghostly grid paintings by paying assiduous attention to each and every line, repeating her actions over and over again, a process as mindful as prayer.

But the vulgarity of the real world keeps threatening to intrude. “Art becomes retail surprisingly quickly,” Chayka writes of Marfa, where Judd’s work turned the remote town into a place where upscale tourists can easily procure a vegan sandwich or a glass of rosé. Driving on the highway nearby, Chayka gets waved through an immigration checkpoint; his Marfa trip in 2018 coincided with the first reports that border guards a mere 60 miles away were separating migrant parents from their children.

President Trump, with his steaks and his golf courses and his gilded rooms, is like the anti-minimalist: opulent, ostentatious, overwhelming. Chayka, who mentions Trump at several points in the book, hopes minimalism might provide an antidote or a balm. He compares an exhibit of Martin’s paintings to a “visual spa treatment” after the November 2016 election; he recalls how the new administration’s “reckless enthusiasm” made him want to hide. “I had subconsciously started wearing all-gray clothing,” Chayka writes, as if he were trying to blend into the city’s unnatural landscape of concrete and steel.

What’s most striking about Chayka’s minimalist gestures is how frail they seem next to the larger upheavals that are taking place. And he knows this. Discussing the renunciatory philosophy of the Stoics and Henry David Thoreau, he discerns “a strategy of avoidance, especially in moments when society feels chaotic or catastrophic.” There’s a strain of this in contemporary lifestyle minimalism, which offers self-protection and retreat: “Your bedroom might be cleaner, but the world stays bad.”

The minimalism that Chayka seeks encourages not an escape from the world but a deeper engagement with it. In John Cage’s “4′33″,” silence is “radical and revolutionary,” forcing the audience to pause and actively listen to its surroundings. (When it was first performed in 1952, the setting was an old barn in the woods; the sounds of silence included rustling leaves and drizzling rain.) The music of Julius Eastman presents a kind of ecstatic minimalism — a bid to achieve, as the composer put it, “what I am to the fullest: Black to the fullest, a musician to the fullest, a homosexual to the fullest.” In the 1930s, the Japanese novelist Junichiro Tanizaki wrote “In Praise of Shadows,” noticing in darkness “a pregnancy of tiny particles like fine ashes, each particle luminous as a rainbow.”

Chayka’s journey ends in a rock garden in Kyoto, where serene contemplation contends with jostling visitors. “What I saw,” he writes, “was dramatic simplicity side by side with unruly life.” Reconciliation in a setting like this seems possible. But what happens when life isn’t just “unruly” but something more overwhelming and sinister? Can you reconcile the “dramatic simplicity” of a Donald Judd sculpture with children in cages? Should you even try?

It’s an irreducible tension that’s never quite resolved, because resolution would be beside the point. “The Longing for Less” generates more questions than it answers — which is only appropriate, considering that the “deeper minimalism” Chayka pursues is more about vulnerability than control.

This vulnerability is an inextricable element of the human condition, even if the wealthiest Americans have the resources to erect fortresses around themselves — not necessarily of objects but of infrastructure, building personal safety nets while their fellow citizens scramble to make do. “Up through the 20th century, material accumulation and stability made sense as forms of security,” Chayka writes. “Little of this feels true today.” Tangible goods now cost exceedingly less, and intangible “forms of security” cost exceedingly more.

After all, it’s unlikely that the tchotchkes or the new TV set will toss you into financial straits; it’s the college tuition that will put you into crushing debt, the very real possibility you’ll outlive your meager retirement account, or the medical treatment not covered by insurance. Reading Chayka’s book put me in mind of a longing for less stuff, and a longing for more support.

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Alris
Apr 20, 2007

Welcome to the Fantasy Zone!

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God I adore the outside building detail. Would this be classified as Art Nouveau? Is there a reason more of this stuff hasn't survived? Or don't you see it as much because it wasn't as fashionable back in the day compared to elsewhere in the world?

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

actionjackson posted:

gonna do a separate post so I can paste the text as it's behind a paywall. I started reading this and it's a pretty interesting book! Gets at what I'm feeling, which is that the basic principle of minimalism (decluttering (especially when you are able to donate unused items to someone in need), reducing consumption (both what you buy, and the conspicuous type), being more conscientious about what you buy) is good, but "minimalism" in the last 5-10 years, like everything else, has become heavily commodified. The real problem (imo) is capitalism, and a society that values people by what they own.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/books/review-longing-for-less-minimalism-kyle-chayka.html

The guy who came up with the "have nothing in your house that you do not know to be useful or feel to be beautiful" quote was William Morris, prominent socialist and patriarch of the English Arts & Crafts movement, which in turn inspired the movement in America. A&C/Craftsman design is simultaneously simplified in form and decorative in finish. One of the pillars of the movement was that the working class need and deserve to have beauty in their lives.



Alris posted:

God I adore the outside building detail. Would this be classified as Art Nouveau? Is there a reason more of this stuff hasn't survived? Or don't you see it as much because it wasn't as fashionable back in the day compared to elsewhere in the world?
Beaux-Arts. It was really only used in New York City and Chicago to some extent, though I can't speak for why some decorative ironwork has survived and some hasn't.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

The Zillow search term of the day is "antiqued". Something you do to a material to make it look old.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/250-Garfield-Pl-Brooklyn-NY-11215/30587161_zpid/






https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/140-E-63rd-St-APT-5A-New-York-NY-10065/97527473_zpid/





https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1375-Primavera-Dr-E-Palm-Springs-CA-92264/2067624665_zpid/ by Barry Berkus (1970)



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1320-Us-Highway-36-E-New-Castle-IN-47362/221112228_zpid/ avert thine eyes




augh


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/705-Harborside-Way-Kemah-TX-77565/80517424_zpid/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ond4Wp9nPhM



MetaJew
Apr 14, 2006
Gather round, one and all, and thrill to my turgid tales of underwhelming misadventure!
Wow that last home, in Kemah, is right near where I grew up, and only a few miles away from NASA Johnson Space center.

Not a chance that house isn't literally under water within a few decades unless Texas and the Corps of Engineers get their poo poo together and build the Ike Dike, among other things related to global climate change.

It is also hideous.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Youth Decay posted:

The guy who came up with the "have nothing in your house that you do not know to be useful or feel to be beautiful" quote was William Morris, prominent socialist and patriarch of the English Arts & Crafts movement, which in turn inspired the movement in America. A&C/Craftsman design is simultaneously simplified in form and decorative in finish. One of the pillars of the movement was that the working class need and deserve to have beauty in their lives.

I mean the craftsman style is definitely more simplified and less decorative than the really "gilded" stuff like Victorian Art Nouveau, Art Deco, Neoclassical or w/e (you can imagine how I felt when I visited the Vatican!). But it's still too decorative for my personal tastes, and I find the pics I've seen of the style still much too busy. Also, and again this is just me, I don't like things that look like wood (whether they are or not) except for flooring, which is why I'm not an MCM person (well also I don't like red, so any sort of teak and rosewood is out). The few furniture items I have that look like wood are being replaced as I finish my home redesign. The only thing I'll have left that qualifies is my media unit.

I agree with this quote by Philip Johnson that was mentioned on the wikipedia page

"Today industrial design is functionally motivated and follows the same principles as modern architecture: machine-like simplicity, smoothness of surface, avoidance of ornament ... It is perhaps the most fundamental contrast between the two periods of design that in 1900 the Decorative Arts possessed ..."

Also I would agree with the idea of "functionalism"

I still would prefer craftsman to most other styles, but just explaining why modernism is my favorite :)

edit: I need to read this https://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/architecture/all/45407/facts.design_of_the_20th_century.htm

actionjackson fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Nov 16, 2021

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
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Could I suggest key words "wrought iron" for the queue?

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



I kinda like the light fixture, like it's somewhat ingenious if you want a ceiling thing you can relocate where you want at will.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

still waiting for the vanity doors to be put in, but here's before/after on the linen closet. larger slab doors for the "frameless" look were used along with blum tip-on hinge system, eliminating the need for handles

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

look I can't help the fact that wood is a readily-available, easy to work with, versatile, renewable material with mechanical and thermal properties ideally suited to residential construction and furniture

Brawnfire posted:

Could I suggest key words "wrought iron" for the queue?
Too many results, can you narrow it down further?

The Zillow search term of the day is "nod"

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/38-Union-St-Nantucket-MA-02554/56547134_zpid/ " lives well for today while retaining a nod to its past"






https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/610-Madison-Ave-Cape-Charles-VA-23310/114676942_zpid/ " Remodeled by a craftsman with a nod to the nautical"


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/419-E-Oakwood-Dr-Barrington-IL-60010/4858153_zpid/ "features organic materials with a nod to Scandinavian design""

complementary colors y'all




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/79-E-Elm-St-Chicago-IL-60611/2099123207_zpid/ "a nod to the home's historic roots"




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/938-Summit-Rd- Penn-Valley-PA-19072/9968026_zpid/ " offers a nod to yesteryear with all the conveniences of modern living."




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6880-E-Windstone-Trl-Scottsdale-AZ-85266/55268125_zpid/ by Wayne Young (200) "with a nod to green living"
I am once again asking real estate photographers to stop abusing HDR



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11-Riverside-Dr-APT-12NE-New-York-NY-10023/119914618_zpid/ "Decorated in 2013 with a loving nod to the 1960' & 70s"



Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!

Youth Decay posted:


The Zillow search term of the day is "nod"


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/610-Madison-Ave-Cape-Charles-VA-23310/114676942_zpid/ " Remodeled by a craftsman with a nod to the nautical"



I definitely thought this was a houseboat from the pics

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
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Youth Decay posted:

Too many results, can you narrow it down further?

Oh, I don't know, I was just hoping to see lots of wrought ironwork. Custom wrought iron? Bespoke wrought iron? I'm not sure what makes for good search terms

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

Flipperwaldt posted:

I kinda like the light fixture, like it's somewhat ingenious if you want a ceiling thing you can relocate where you want at will.

I like to imagine it's like a real mobile sculpture and just slowly spins around the room of its own accord.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Youth Decay posted:

look I can't help the fact that wood is a readily-available, easy to work with, versatile, renewable material with mechanical and thermal properties ideally suited to residential construction and furniture


note that I said "wood look" - I have no problem with wood as a material, but honestly I highly prefer MDF simply because I live in a part of the country with enormous humidity swings. The actual wood stuff I had, like those cabinets I'm renovating, have all warped over time because of this.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


Youth Decay posted:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/419-E-Oakwood-Dr-Barrington-IL-60010/4858153_zpid/ "features organic materials with a nod to Scandinavian design""

complementary colors y'all




I don't know how they manipulated these photos but I spent the longest time staring at them trying to figure out if all the furniture and décor was real or CG. If you told me the the photo of the basement with the pool table was a render I would completely believe you.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

Sirotan posted:

I don't know how they manipulated these photos but I spent the longest time staring at them trying to figure out if all the furniture and décor was real or CG. If you told me the the photo of the basement with the pool table was a render I would completely believe you.
Yeah I'm like 80% sure the house is virtually staged...except for the chandeliers, which are not included per the listing.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this


I only collect trapezoidal paintings.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Magic Hate Ball posted:



I only collect trapezoidal paintings.

As works of art, they're unparalleled

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

booooooooo

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

The Zillow search term of the day is "wrought iron railing"

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5316-Calumet-Ave-La-Jolla-CA-92037/52515699_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/333-W-57th-St-APT-208-New-York-NY-10019/244901816_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/70-Raspberry-Ln-Moretown-VT-05673/250871421_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/528-Andrew-Banks-Rd-A2-Burnsville-NC-28714/243891841_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4301-Masonboro-Loop-Rd-Wilmington-NC-28409/54340361_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/48-Smithfield-Rd-Shelbyville-KY-40065/105939491_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1000-W-Washington-Blvd-UNIT-141-Chicago-IL-60607/54537729_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/245-Howeville-Rd-Fitzwilliam-NH-03447/92835653_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1026-E-1st-St-Bloomington-IN-47401/85583449_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8030-Temple-Rd-Philadelphia-PA-19150/10469816_zpid/ why would you paint it


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/500-2nd-St-NE-Little-Falls-MN-56345/97006560_zpid/ there's just one bad photo of the railing here but the house is an a e s t h e t i c




Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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What hath I wrought

(Thanks! That's some gaudy poo poo, but also some awesome poo poo)

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

The HDR in the last pic makes it look like I'm under the gaze of Sauron's Ceiling Boob.

The railing in the first house is gorgeous. There's lots to like in that place, though the sum total is a bit, uh, extra.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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What I love is that the decor in the rest of the house absolutely doesn't match the aesthetic of this railing and the glass in the front doors and on top of the stairs, so I'm wondering if when it got remodeled (as zillow notes it was) the railing was kept because it's a cool custom piece.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

The Zillow search term of the day is "swoon"

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/90-Saint-James-Pl-Staten-Island-NY-10304/32294767_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/142-Two-Rivers-Rd-Chesapeake-City-MD-21915/82135243_zpid/






https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/111-E-Onwentsia-Rd-Lake-Forest-IL-60045/54868177_zpid/ McFrench-Provincial by Liederbach and Graham (2001), I can't bring myself to hate the interior too much though






https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/314-E-Lincoln-Ave-11-Milwaukee-WI-53207/68921413_zpid/ cool live-work loft in Milwaukee




Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Finally, I can live in the Community Arts Center!

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

bathroom vanity is finished. going to do the same thing in my kitchen that I did in the bathroom

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

^^I'm glad you got rid of the old ugly wood stain but I dislike the new color (or lack thereof)

The Zillow search term of the day is "Parisian". Apparently nobody can agree on what aesthetic that implies...

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1-W-72nd-St-PENTHOUSE-C-New-York-NY-10023/2067546921_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/372-5th-Ave-APT-5-K-New-York-NY-10018/72516256_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/237-W-11th-St-3AC-New-York-NY-10014/2071579503_zpid/





https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2110-Scott-St-San-Francisco-CA-94115/15074584_zpid/





https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/9165-Cordell-Dr-Los-Angeles-CA-90069/20799241_zpid/ by the Novogratz design team (2021)



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2303-Bancroft-Pl-NW-Washington-DC-20008/460643_zpid/ by Hornblower & Marshall (1913)

see this is why realtors are my enemy, you got this fancy rear end wrought iron staircase and don't put "wrought iron" anywhere in the listing






https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1435-N-Coronado-St-Los-Angeles-CA-90026/20744397_zpid/ 1914 house redone by Bowen Architecture and Byrdesign. An actual good renovation, judging by the old photos on Redfin it was the victim of a number of other remodels and was ugly and bland. The new version is much brighter.





actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Youth Decay posted:

^^I'm glad you got rid of the old ugly wood stain but I dislike the new color (or lack thereof)

My interior suggested that I not have more than three colors/tones due to the smaller size and also have the cabinets be a brighter color since there is no natural light. The three are blue (with gray undertone) gray white. That plus brown is the palette for my whole place. Not sure what else you could even do there.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

actionjackson posted:

My interior suggested that I not have more than three colors/tones due to the smaller size
Your interior designer is wrong :colbert:

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

Youth Decay posted:

The Zillow search term of the day is "Parisian". Apparently nobody can agree on what aesthetic that implies...

Well the NYC one is definitely closest BUT they need to make all the rooms 1/3 the size.

Also white cabinets are totally appropriate for a bathroom. I agree that the whole-monochrome-house thing is terrible, but a relaxing palette is way better than an eye-searing Beamtester type deal.

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



Just saw this article in The NY Times and thought “hey they wrote an article about that goon with the cool Zillow posts!”

quote:

She finds most of her examples by sifting through listings around the country, narrowing her searches with keywords like “indoor pool,” “castle” or “unique.”

“Every listing that is truly crazy uses the word ‘unique,’” she said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/19/realestate/zillow-influencers.html?referringSource=articleShare

I only pop in here once in a while but I love your posts, Youth Decay

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Youth Decay posted:

Your interior designer is wrong :colbert:

I'd be interested (yes really) to see what color you think would go on those cabinets that would work, keeping in mind again the wall color which is SW 6242 bracing blue

I don't like any of the following colors: red, yellow, orange, purple


the way they painted the underside of the staircase the same looks really cool

whatever they did with the ceiling in the last picture is neat, I've never seen that before.

actionjackson fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Nov 20, 2021

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!

actionjackson posted:

My interior suggested that I not have more than three colors/tones due to the smaller size and also have the cabinets be a brighter color since there is no natural light. The three are blue (with gray undertone) gray white. That plus brown is the palette for my whole place. Not sure what else you could even do there.

I think it looks great.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Phil Moscowitz posted:

I think it looks great.

ty friend

gonna do the same thing in the kitchen next year, I'm guessing the color will be a less bright white with a brown undertone, very similar to my wall paint. The kitchen and entry tile will probably be a dark brown. so dark brown countertops and tile, stainless steel appliances, white with brown undertone walls and cabinets/drawers.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

actionjackson posted:

I'd be interested (yes really) to see what color you think would go on those cabinets that would work, keeping in mind again the wall color which is SW 6242 bracing blue

I don't like any of the following colors: red, yellow, orange, purple

A pale yellow would have been my choice, or a very pale pink, even a cream. Light pastels work best in bathrooms imo. I am not saying you have to go crazy with colors, I just categorically hate the trend of making everything gray or gray-toned.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Youth Decay posted:

A pale yellow would have been my choice, or a very pale pink, even a cream. Light pastels work best in bathrooms imo. I am not saying you have to go crazy with colors, I just categorically hate the trend of making everything gray or gray-toned.

the vanity top has a bit of cream color to it, but I didn't want to match it to that because on the linen closet it would contrast too much with the trim. We looked at three paints: alabaster (more creamy, probably similar to what are mentioning), pure white (whiter, what I chose), and a third one which was even more white, but it contrasted with the vanity top too much. so I did the goldilocks option

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

The Zillow search term of the day is "pitched".

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2536-Fairgrounds-Rd-S-Clearview-ON-L0M-1G0/2070764317_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1220-Valley-Rd-Villanova-PA-19085/9968833_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/145-Winding-Way-Haddonfield-NJ-08033/38273609_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1234-Stradella-Rd-Los-Angeles-CA-90077/20529427_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/114-Lyon-St-San-Francisco-CA-94117/241583772_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7619-Grant-Line-Rd-Elk-Grove-CA-95624/2087365743_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/25-Brite-Ave-Scarsdale-NY-10583/33093274_zpid/ by Milton Klein (1965)




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/50-Conklin-Hill-Rd-Marlboro-NY-12547/305097607_zpid/ mine mine mine, I'm 5'2 so I'd totally fit


Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
I don't mind white in general but I do think this
looks entertainingly fridgelike

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!

This is an actual hobbit-hole

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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Anne Whateley posted:

I don't mind white in general but I do think this

looks entertainingly fridgelike

lol

i can't really do much about the closet itself, it's built into the wall

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