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Seeing that gaudy NFT of Chadwick Boseman was probably the worst. Can't we leave that poor man in peace?
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Nov 21, 2021 00:58
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sexpig by night posted:yea I've always been a pretty big 'when you're dead you're dead, just treat the body with dignity for the family and don't handwring about the sanctity of death' person but it feels like there needs to be some mechanism to prevent Pepsi from forcing a CGI Anne Frank to reenact the Kylie Jenner ad or whatever absolute hellzone we're heading for. Like, the actors and poo poo being pushed into movies post-death are gonna turn out to be the test case for what we'll allow and poo poo's gonna get GRIM for that to work Pepsi would first need to bribe whoever the publisher of the Anne Frank Diaries is, I suppose, or the right holders of the estate or whatever of course yeah, that could happen but I'm still a bit baffled by this new Hollywood Zombie CGI fad, what is the legality behind it, exactly? does hollywood just put poo poo like "we own your soul" into their contracts or what, anyway all this poo poo sounds legally very flimsy to me, and if this keeps happening sooner or later angry relatives are gonna start suing
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Nov 21, 2021 01:01
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Mentioning holograms, they do have those in Star Wars, maybe it would have been less bad to do the Tarkin scene like that where he's somewhere else at the time Same with Vader. Just a bunch of people dissing Krennic over space Skype.
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Nov 21, 2021 01:12
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I think completely digital actors will become an actual thing eventually. There were multiple attempts in the 1990s, but the technology to do it wasn't ready yet. Virtual idols are now actually a thing, so it isn't too much of a stretch for it to happen with actors. Especially with voice synthesizing getting better and better.
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Nov 21, 2021 01:22
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Libluini posted:but I'm still a bit baffled by this new Hollywood Zombie CGI fad, what is the legality behind it, exactly? does hollywood just put poo poo like "we own your soul" into their contracts or what, anyway all this poo poo sounds legally very flimsy to me, and if this keeps happening sooner or later angry relatives are gonna start suing It's completely legal because all these dead people are being CGI reanimated with direct permission of their families or estates, it can't be done without that. Ghostbusters has CGI Harold Ramis in it because the movie was made by his son. The ethical issue will be that at some point estates increasingly distant from the deceased could just take the money - Robin Williams locked up his rights for 25 years and his daughter is outspoken against the practice so he's probably safe for decades beyond that, but eventually what happens when the controlling estate of his rights is something like his great-great grandchildren?
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Nov 21, 2021 01:31
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It's simple: virtual actors don't age or demand things like lunch breaks. If the effects studio that currently animates the character that's 49% Natalie Portman's likeness and 49% ScarJo's likeness decides to charge more money well the studio owns ScarPo and just hires another effects shop for the next movie.
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Nov 21, 2021 01:31
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i think it'll take a while for it to be worth the while. virtual idols range from simple voice synthesisers like hatsune miku backed by motion-captured movement, to essentially real-time actor masking like vtubers. at the former end of the scale, we will not see digital actors for a long, long time, for the simple reason that motion-capturing a dance performance can be used over and over again for concerts or remixed, but motion-capturing a performance of avatar will be used once, in the movie avatar. there won't be a new alien movie starring sigourney weaver made out of the motion-capture of her in avatar. the tools to digitally create a convincing physical performance barely exist outside of motion capture because we quickly figured out it was by far the quickest and easiest way to do it. on the latter end of the scale, that's just sigourney weaver in avatar, an actor.
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Nov 21, 2021 01:40
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Ghostlight posted:i think it'll take a while for it to be worth the while. virtual idols range from simple voice synthesisers like hatsune miku backed by motion-captured movement, to essentially real-time actor masking like vtubers. at the former end of the scale, we will not see digital actors for a long, long time, for the simple reason that motion-capturing a dance performance can be used over and over again for concerts or remixed, but motion-capturing a performance of avatar will be used once, in the movie avatar. there won't be a new alien movie starring sigourney weaver made out of the motion-capture of her in avatar. the tools to digitally create a convincing physical performance barely exist outside of motion capture because we quickly figured out it was by far the quickest and easiest way to do it. on the latter end of the scale, that's just sigourney weaver in avatar, an actor. If it does happen, it will almost certainly be a slow process. I don't think movies are suddenly going to be all digital actors. It will probably start with non-human characters, and as the technology progresses and is more accepted, movies might start having digital actors. but yes, it will take awhile.
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Nov 21, 2021 01:51
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In Halloween Kills I thought they'd CGI'd a Donald Pleasence or cobbled one together from old footage for a few scenes and thought that was a bit crummy, but I later found out that they used an actor who looked just like him and dubbed his lines with another actor who sounded just like him and I found that much more impressive for some reason.
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Nov 21, 2021 01:55
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IShallRiseAgain posted:If it does happen, it will almost certainly be a slow process. I don't think movies are suddenly going to be all digital actors. It will probably start with non-human characters, and as the technology progresses and is more accepted, movies might start having digital actors. but yes, it will take awhile. they should just add in neural networks taking over the script writing, to complete the full poo poo circle now that's the kind of movie I would like to watch
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Nov 21, 2021 01:58
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Nostalgia Nerd investigates a ghost in the beeb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEDgG5MKndo
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Nov 21, 2021 02:08
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Captain Invictus posted:oh boy! who's your favorite vtuber! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-UV4IGooxk
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Nov 21, 2021 02:14
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what separates digital actors from being cartoons
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Nov 21, 2021 02:34
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Seemlar posted:It's completely legal because all these dead people are being CGI reanimated with direct permission of their families or estates, it can't be done without that. Ghostbusters has CGI Harold Ramis in it because the movie was made by his son. Jason Reitman is not the son of Harold Ramis. As far as likeness rights, it's one of those things that is pretty weird and has a lot of patchwork laws that differ between states (and between countries). That 25-year clause in Robin Williams' will is probably only enforceable in a few states, but fortunately those states include New York and California, which goes a long way, particularly if he registered his likeness as a trademark. If someone wanted to do GCI Anne Frank and they weren't specifically doing the story from The Diary of Anne Frank, it would most likely be able to happen whether the estate wanted it to happen or not. Part of the problem, though, is that as far back as the 80s studios were already including ownership of likeness rights in their contracts. Lucasfilm can do CGI Carrie Fisher (as Princess Leia) whether the estate wants them to or not, because the contracts that Fisher signed with Lucas granted them permanent ownership of the likeness rights for Fisher in that character. They might have to pay whatever royalty fee was negotiated in the contract, but they can't be stopped outright.
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Nov 21, 2021 02:35
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goldenninjawarrior posted:In Halloween Kills I thought they'd CGI'd a Donald Pleasence or cobbled one together from old footage for a few scenes and thought that was a bit crummy, but I later found out that they used an actor who looked just like him and dubbed his lines with another actor who sounded just like him and I found that much more impressive for some reason. Because that takes some effort and really like, the effort of just finding an actor who looks like, then a voice that sounds like, to recreate a character even if it's to make a Donald Pleasence-like ultimately, feels a lot less gross than digitally digging up a dead actor to puppeteer them under the thought of it BEING them.
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Nov 21, 2021 02:40
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Did someone say digital actors? Kenji eno (rip) of warp (also rip) used to make these absolutely mind boggling games that were masterpieces in their own way featuring the same character Laura in different roles, the most famous examples being D, Enemy Zero and D2. Some of you may know these games from super great friend 's let's play some years back. Here's thor high heels doing an intro to D2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0kCbDw0vJE
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Nov 21, 2021 02:47
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8one6 posted:It's simple: virtual actors don't age or demand things like lunch breaks. If the effects studio that currently animates the character that's 49% Natalie Portman's likeness and 49% ScarJo's likeness decides to charge more money well the studio owns ScarPo and just hires another effects shop for the next movie. I mean, every other part of the IP is being re-done over and over, why not the actors too? Shoot a remake of every franchise movie with mocap suits and let internet polls determine who's each character afterwards. stillvisions fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Nov 21, 2021 03:22
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d2 RULES
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Nov 21, 2021 03:25
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LanceHunter posted:Jason Reitman is not the son of Harold Ramis. Yeah I got mixed up for a minute he's Ivan Reitman's son, the original director. But overall it's the same thing, it was a fully approved recreation. I'd have to go searching for sources but I believe there's been attempts to do things with Elvis and Bruce Lee that the estates have slammed the door shut on, while the most ghoulish example to date would be that attempt (I don't think it's gone forward?) to have a CGI recreation of James Dean star in a movie. That feels way more offensive than recreations doing cameos in franchises the original actor was part of, even if that's still not great.
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Nov 21, 2021 03:44
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Inspector Gesicht posted:A movie-review that recommends against seeing the Ghostbusters movie on the grounds of stagnation and resurrecting Harold Ramis with CGI for audience sentimentality. I'm not surprised they pulled that necromancy but it's still really upsetting. deeply evil. almost satanic.
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Nov 21, 2021 04:01
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fun hater posted:what separates digital actors from being cartoons Which might not make since at first, because if you’re going digital then why not make a unique character, but if you consider the cost to make a photorealistic model along with a voice and making sure both are appealing to audiences, then paying for usage rights to a proven “actor” makes more since than spending the time and money to create one from scratch.
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Nov 21, 2021 04:09
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i dont think digital actors will become a thing bc every animation studio will close from bankruptcy before hollywood ever pays them
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Nov 21, 2021 04:34
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I wonder if we’ll reach a point where cg models of actors appear in more of the movie than actual footage of the actor. Marvel movies must get close, if they’re not there already.
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Nov 21, 2021 04:41
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I actually preferred full CGI Tarkin as opposed to horrifying deep faked Luke Skywalker FWIW
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Nov 21, 2021 04:44
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OptimusShr posted:New Ine Hit Wonderland just dropped.Crazy for this girl by Evan and Jaron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJMj8gcEHGM This has a huge lede buried btw and is quite a little buckwild lol
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Nov 21, 2021 05:17
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I wonder if we’ll reach a point where cg models of actors appear in more of the movie than actual footage of the actor. Marvel movies must get close, if they’re not there already. Black Panther in costume was entirely CG in Civil War and Hela was significantly CG in Ragnarok. In both cases they still had the actors on set in costume to provide a reference. The quantum suits in Endgame were all CG though.
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Nov 21, 2021 06:14
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grittyreboot posted:I actually preferred full CGI Tarkin as opposed to horrifying deep faked Luke Skywalker FWIW Yeah, Plastic Action Figure Luke was just revolting, and every homebrew attempt I've seen of people trying to "fix" it just makes it look infinitely worse than the hackjob LucasFilm did to begin with. With Tarkin wasn't good but was just bad enough that my brain leaped over the uncanny valley and I was like "okay, this is just a CG character."
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Nov 21, 2021 06:17
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Everyone forgets young Sean Young in br2049
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Nov 21, 2021 06:20
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Plastic Luke wasn’t hosed up morally. That’s the difference. I’ll take bad CGI deaging over a living actor than what they did with GB. The weirdest part is it didn’t look like a thing like Ramis when he was older at all. It was like some weird fantasized version of old man Ramis.
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Nov 21, 2021 06:36
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Yardbomb posted:Because that takes some effort and really like, the effort of just finding an actor who looks like, then a voice that sounds like, to recreate a character even if it's to make a Donald Pleasence-like ultimately, feels a lot less gross than digitally digging up a dead actor to puppeteer them under the thought of it BEING them. Two guys playing Donald Pleasence playing a character. 
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Nov 21, 2021 07:28
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I have to laugh whenever the subject of CG Tarkin comes up because it always reminds me of how impressively bad I am at telling the difference - Tarkin has me completely fooled, I was just thinking “golly, I wonder how they got an actor that looks just like him!  ”. But that’s not even that embarrassing compared to how shocked I was to learn Beowulf was CG. I have the excuse of only ever seeing the fuzzy TV commercials but still.The worst part is that I’m an animator, lmao. I charitably like to think that’s why I’m bad at it, like I’m too inclined to believe in animation magic to let myself doubt it.
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Nov 21, 2021 07:34
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Dias posted:I actually don't even know which one is Korone but I know it was the most recent addition to the Goons Have to Show Their Absolute Hatred For This Whenever Possible List, so whatever let's beetlejuice her Korone is the one who laughed at eekum bokum this is the extent of my vtuber knowledge, please do not discuss this topic further
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Nov 21, 2021 07:43
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Baller Ina posted:Korone is the one who laughed at eekum bokum 12M views https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5MpLQ8TQcQ
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Nov 21, 2021 07:47
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3XDfHPISiY&ab_channel=Karameru
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Nov 21, 2021 08:18
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OptimusShr posted:New Ine Hit Wonderland just dropped.Crazy for this girl by Evan and Jaron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJMj8gcEHGM The Saddest Rhino posted:This has a huge lede buried btw and is quite a little buckwild lol Seriously, don't sleep on this one, it has the biggest twist of the OHWs since Chamillionaire and maybe even past that!
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Nov 21, 2021 08:35
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What I don't get is, I was under the impression Hollywood isn't allowed to use your likeness without your permission ever since Crispin Glover successfully sued that studio over Back to the Future 2? Does that not apply to dead people? They can't consent, after all.
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Nov 21, 2021 11:09
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This is how it started for me... and countless others.
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Nov 21, 2021 13:58
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When Nyx Fears did her video on the disturbing movies iceberg, she mentioned Wendigoon in passing and that sparked my interest. I'm not fond of True Crime reporting which is usually his beat and if I ever want to gently caress up my recommendations forever I'll give the look at his series on the Conspiracy Iceberg to see if it's anything like how Bobbin Threabare's Deus Ex lp was or like how TrueAnon describes such things. However! His videos on the Biblical Theory IceBerg, Biblical Angels and Dante's Inferno are a blast. P.S.: I just watched one of the conspiracy videos and yeah it's just a nice sounding explainy thing for increasingly obscure weird ideas. It's alright, but it wouldn't be exactly the THING I'd use to recommend Wendigoon stuff. Kunster fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Nov 21, 2021 14:11
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Sankara posted:What I don't get is, I was under the impression Hollywood isn't allowed to use your likeness without your permission ever since Crispin Glover successfully sued that studio over Back to the Future 2? Does that not apply to dead people? They can't consent, after all. The estate can give permission which has happened in all the cases so far.
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Nov 21, 2021 14:14
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Yardbomb posted:God, stop loving doing this, it's insanely weird and creepy every time. I'm surprised how many goons are liking the film in the CD thread because even if the movie was good that would've immediately soured me on the entire thing. Easily the most vile thing any of these sequel/reboots has done. It was so bad that early reviews only hinted at what it was and it seemed a bunch of people didn't understand what they were hinting at.
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