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LTT was an aes sedai with a clear mind who made decisions that lead to the tainting of saidin and ultimately the breaking of the world, it'd be lower stakes if his reincarnation wasn't destined to go insane, but either way the dragon's coming would still herald a period of war, chaos, restructuring the world, and possibly the end of existence And as the reincarnation of someone who all but destroyed the world, I think people would be inclined to view the dragon as an ominous figure to be feared rather than someone who brings sunshine and salvation either way That said you'd expect the characters in the show to have a stronger reaction to potentially being the dragon, but I think that might be because none of them really have internalized the possibility yet, I'm guessing it's going to be more real for Mat and Rand after the end of last episode
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bio347 posted:Perrin's axe is, like, specifically a spiked battle axe, which is maybe less suited for typical production work. Or perhaps not, and it's just colouring his perception. And in the books he totally assaults Malden using the hammer as a weapon (and then makes a warhammer). It's never overtly pointed out, I don't think, but there's absolutely something intentional there. Yeah I remember that too on closer thought. Been a long time. A tool or a weapon is what you use it for. Still that text in the picture is what set me off. CainFortea posted:A bearded axe, like the type used in combat, is really crappy at doing wood work though. Which did make it kind of weird when that axe was just sitting next to the wood pile. A wide bearded axe is actually good for hewing logs and doing log house joinery. This is my hewing axe and some of the work I did with it last summer, just gonna link instead of inlining it, don't wanna drag this too much off-topic. I'm a bit of an axe maniac I guess: https://i.imgur.com/tyFqsm3h.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dHV9waih.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7SmmBZR.jpg Check out the Gransfors hewing axe for a modern example. Sorta looks like a battle axe, though I'd say a proper battle axe would be a lot lighter than an axe you use for actual work.
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Only the final link worked, and the blade of the axe is burried in wood.  But yea, those Gransfors have like, a soul patch of a beard compared to the thing Perrin is wielding in the show.
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CainFortea posted:Only the final link worked, and the blade of the axe is burried in wood. Can't figure out those links, they work if I inline them, but neither showed the axe so here's a close up of the blade:  And sure that's not the biggest beard either. I can't remember what perrins axe looked like right now. Still I know hewing axes can have some pretty long beards, but I think forms of battle axes win that anyway. There are also quite small battle "hatches", not my area of expertise though. Here's one model of hewing axe that's pretty extreme, but I don't remember how it compares to Perrins in the show right now...  P.S. if you like old axes, check this out: https://www.facebook.com/finnishaxes/posts/1481040985370560/
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we actually know what the "canonical" axe and dagger looked like because Jordan approved the Museum Replicas versions. Here are pictures from the display they put up for the 2013 book tour:     
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CainFortea posted:A bearded axe, like the type used in combat, is really crappy at doing wood work though. Which did make it kind of weird when that axe was just sitting next to the wood pile. iirc the axe was ordered by some merchant's guard, but he never showed up to get it after it was made
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Nov 23, 2021 09:20
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His Divine Shadow posted:I hadn't thought about the hammer and axe in years. But this reminded me that it's total bullshit! The axe is a tool of creation! Without an axe you could not fell trees, you could not hew logs and make buildings or other tools. The axe was historically one of the most important tools in existence. It was used for logging as well as woodworking of all sorts. You can do a lot with an axe that nowadays you'd have a bunch of other tools for instead (chisels, saws, planes). But back then, iron and steel in particular was expensive. So people developed skill with the axe for making everyhting. The axe is necessary for creation but it does not create. The axe removes things. It removes roots and branches and turns a tree into a log, and it turns that log into lumber, and it turns that lumber into rafters and beams and table legs. When you take an axe to something, you remove pieces of that thing, you break it down. This is inherently destructive. It is important and necessary and part of the process of creation, but the axe itself does not create. The axe is what you reach for when you say "I have a tree and I would instead like to have lots of small pieces of a tree." The hammer, on the other hand, is a tool of creation. It forms things. It combines things. The hammer is what you reach for when you say "I have a lot of small pieces of tree, and I would like to have a table".
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Chomposaur posted:LTT was an aes sedai with a clear mind who made decisions that lead to the tainting of saidin and ultimately the breaking of the world, it'd be lower stakes if his reincarnation wasn't destined to go insane, but either way the dragon's coming would still herald a period of war, chaos, restructuring the world, and possibly the end of existence The Dragon Reborn doesn't even necessarily have to be a channeler to make people incredibly wary, since the Karaethon Cycle is extremely explicit that the Dragon Reborn will cause a new Breaking: quote:The Dragon shall be Reborn, quote:For he shall come like the breaking dawn, quote:With his coming are the dread fires born again. quote:As the plow breaks the earth shall he break the lives of men, And I even left out some examples! Sure, the Dragon Reborn also being a male channeler is extra worrying, but the Prophecies of the Dragon make it clear that nobody will be having a good time when LTT is reborn.
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Torrannor posted:The Dragon Reborn doesn't even necessarily have to be a channeler to make people incredibly wary, since the Karaethon Cycle is extremely explicit that the Dragon Reborn will cause a new Breaking: dunno, sounds like a p sweet deal for ravens
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I'm super excited to see who they cast for the Forsaken. Particularly Lanfear and Asmodean. Definitely one where they could/should use big name actors for it given their budget.
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At NYCC in October they announced that they had cast Natasha O'Keeffe in an identified role, she's most likely playing Lanfear.
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No idea who that is, and don't really recall descriptions of Lanfear from the books but this image fits how I picture her in my head - https://www.femalefirst.co.uk/image-library/land/500/n/natasha-okeeffe-image-2.jpg
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"I'm a lady from a fallen house" says the person who can't lie, and she didn't. House Damodred has fallen, no longer holding the kingship of Cairhien. But somebody who hasn't read the books might just take this as a random cover story.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:At NYCC in October they announced that they had cast Natasha O'Keeffe in an identified role, she's most likely playing Lanfear. Oh poo poo I just checked her IMDB and she Abbey in Misfits hell yeah 
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Khizan posted:The axe is necessary for creation but it does not create. The axe removes things. It removes roots and branches and turns a tree into a log, and it turns that log into lumber, and it turns that lumber into rafters and beams and table legs. When you take an axe to something, you remove pieces of that thing, you break it down. This is inherently destructive. It is important and necessary and part of the process of creation, but the axe itself does not create. The axe is what you reach for when you say "I have a tree and I would instead like to have lots of small pieces of a tree." Aiel-rear end discussion itt
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My mother just suggested Dawn French for Verin Mathwin. I have to admit, that would be a pretty pro casting.
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Jedit posted:My mother just suggested Dawn French for Verin Mathwin. I have to admit, that would be a pretty pro casting. it's strongly suspected, though not confirmed, that she's gonna be the recently cast Meera Syal  could always be someone else, but syal's 60, the right level of famous to play a pretty meaty role like that, and has good comedic chops eke out fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Nov 23, 2021 |
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Jedit posted:My mother just suggested Dawn French for Verin Mathwin. I have to admit, that would be a pretty pro casting. A lot of people think this is Verin  wotseries.com posted:Judkins also announced that Natasha O’Keeffe and Meera Syal have joined The Wheel of Time Cast. Of O’Keeffe and Syal, Judkins said “they are playing two of the most important characters in the whole book series”. This has lead to a lot of speculation online centering around Verin Mathwin and Lanfear. https://www.wotseries.com/2021/10/08/wheel-of-time-announces-new-cast-members-including-fan-favorite/
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DarkHorse posted:One thing I kind of miss is them playing up the provincialism, how Emonds Fielders looked down on Devon Ride and Taren Ferry folk and Baerlon was a "big city" before all the main characters literally get their horizons expanded I do hope they focus on the smaller character interactions. Reading takes elsewhere the whole big moments and chasing thing is putting off ppl not familiar with WoT
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:She looks like shed be a great Verin Meera Syal is goddam perfect casting for Verin
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:we actually know what the "canonical" axe and dagger looked like because Jordan approved the Museum Replicas versions. Here are pictures from the display they put up for the 2013 book tour This makes the Shadar Logoth dagger change even more baffling. Sab669 posted:No idea who that is, and don't really recall descriptions of Lanfear from the books but this image fits how I picture her in my head - https://www.femalefirst.co.uk/image-library/land/500/n/natasha-okeeffe-image-2.jpg Great casting for Lanfear, and the Verin lady looks perfect as well. Has there been any news as to why they replaced the guy playing Mat? Qualms about the changes to his backstory aside I think he's been pretty good in the first few episodes.
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Mat Cauthon posted:Has there been any news as to why they replaced the guy playing Mat? Qualms about the changes to his backstory aside I think he's been pretty good in the first few episodes. Literally none. The silence is so loud it sure seems like there's some NDAs or something.
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The closest I've seen to an answer is the GQ article mentioning that he was popping energy pills (which might indicate a drug issue between the lines) and a random reddit post of what was supposedly Harris's instagram complaining about working for an institution his values didn't align with (which might indicate he just didn't like working for Amazon). Honestly given the total absolute lockdown I suspect it was something medical. Anything else something would've leaked I suspect.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I hadn't thought about the hammer and axe in years. But this reminded me that it's total bullshit! The axe is a tool of creation! Without an axe you could not fell trees, you could not hew logs and make buildings or other tools. The axe was historically one of the most important tools in existence. It was used for logging as well as woodworking of all sorts. You can do a lot with an axe that nowadays you'd have a bunch of other tools for instead (chisels, saws, planes). But back then, iron and steel in particular was expensive. So people developed skill with the axe for making everyhting. To a blacksmith, a hammer is definitely a tool of creation.
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ChubbyChecker posted:iirc the axe was ordered by some merchant's guard, but he never showed up to get it after it was made I was just saying that it was near the stack of wood, as if it was being used to split wood. But that axe being used to split rounds would be a poor substitute for an actual wood splitting axe. His Divine Shadow posted:And sure that's not the biggest beard either. I can't remember what perrins axe looked like right now. Nice axe! Also, Perrin's axe has a stronger curve on the blade, and is an asymetrical beard, it only really goes down. And about as long as your hewing axe, maybe a bit longer. It's hard to go frame by frame on amazon's player to get a screen grab. It's not like, a big deal, especially since he left it behind. I just thought it was funny seeing this obvious war axe by the log pile.
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His Divine Shadow posted:The axe is a tool of creation! Ok, I’m listening. His Divine Shadow posted:Without an axe you could not fell trees Annnnd you lost me. Debating the axe is not an instrument of destruction and then your first example being the destruction of a life form really wasn’t the best. The rest worked fairly well though, the differences between a wood axe and a bearded axe notwithstanding.
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The traveling people specifically call out axes as being harmed by doing harm to trees.
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Perrin should fight with only a pair of white hot tongs and a quenching bucket.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Perrin should fight with only a pair of white hot tongs and a quenching bucket. and wear only a leather apron
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ChubbyChecker posted:and wear only a leather apron avatar/post combo
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Okay so I read a little less than half of the first book. I've just gotten past the part where they get to the ferry and then they get to Baelen or whatever the town is called and the Morraine uses a assumed name. Some big changes! I was expecting to see the assault on the Two Rivers but really it was just the fight with Tam and Rand. Kind of missed oppurtunities there. Thom is with them! What the gently caress he was totally left out of the show I am surprised by that he seems a fairly important character. They have not gotten to Shadar Logoth or whatever it was called. Overall I'm really digging the book I read to almost one am last night totally engrossed by the books. Perrin doesn't take a axe. The change from Perrin is a different one but I can see why they did it. This is my first time reading the book in 20+ years and I don't really remember much of it. I honestly read the sereis so long ago that I still don't remember but bits and pieces of what happens. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Nov 23, 2021 |
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Enjoy, seriously. The show is what it is, and we don't have the whole thing, but there's an astonishing amount of really good stuff in the books.
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Theres a new interview with Judkins out where he explains the reasoning behind some pilot changesThe Hollywood Reporter posted:So I talked to people, when we first started the adaptation, about like, “What are things you didn’t like about the books?” One thing that pretty consistently came up was people felt like they didn’t really know Mat or Perrin, especially, until later in the books. You can’t really afford, in a television show, for one or two of your seven leads to not be characters that really pop until season four, right? (Laughs.) So one of our big tasks was to make sure that each of these five kids from the Two Rivers, you could understand the kernel of the story that they’ll face in season one — and through the whole series — in that first episode The Hollywood Reporter posted:Well, there’s a scene in the books where Perrin says, like, “If I had stayed in the Two Rivers for a few more years instead of leaving, I think I would have married Laila Dearn.” And so that’s what we took as inspiration. For this character that’s extremely internal — you really never get to hear his internal monologue that out loud in the book — we give him a moment at the beginning of the series where you understand why he, across the course of the series, has such a struggle with violence. The Hollywood Reporter posted:Outside of the first book, one of the hallmarks of the series was that you track all of these characters’ POVs. So that was one thing we really felt like we needed to put in the pilot, was much more of an ensemble feeling. So in the books, you only know what happened to one character on Winter Night, but in the show we are seeing what might have happened to each of these characters during that battle, which, it’s not creating something that wasn’t there. It happened. They had these experiences. We just didn’t get to see what they were [in the book] because we were focused on [Rand]. "On the day of the show’s premiere, showrunner Rafe Judkins spoke with The Hollywood Reporter — while driving through the Moroccan desert on a scouting trip." Aiel waste anyone? https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/wheel-of-time-showrunner-interview-1235051283/
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Hexel posted:stuff about perrin I understand why they made this change, but it's sort of darkly funny that everyone involved apparently agrees that audiences would have been confused by Perrin having issues with violence. Clearly, there's absolutely no good reason you might find it traumatizing or troubling to take a life, and we absolutely can't leave it to the acting and directing to convey anything about what he's thinking. Just doesn't make sense without a dead wife.
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Hexel posted:"On the day of the show’s premiere, showrunner Rafe Judkins spoke with The Hollywood Reporter — while driving through the Moroccan desert on a scouting trip." Aiel waste anyone? I know realistically this is a better option because they're based in Prague for the filming but I've always pictured the Waste as being more like Arizona/New Mexico with the buttes, the cacti, and the corn.
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Valentin posted:I understand why they made this change, but it's sort of darkly funny that everyone involved apparently agrees that audiences would have been confused by Perrin having issues with violence. Clearly, there's absolutely no good reason you might find it traumatizing or troubling to take a life, and we absolutely can't leave it to the acting and directing to convey anything about what he's thinking. Just doesn't make sense without a dead wife. In the fantasy setting, it would be kinda weird to have a character doing violence and being bothered by it.
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