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mewse
May 2, 2006

eke out posted:

graydon has even infiltrated the mod staff, his alts are everywhere

Don't worry, I've filed a report with the mods telling them that someone has detected us and that you should be banned immediately

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General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
[sigh] The graydon saunders baru cormorant

The Long Way to a Small Graydon Saunders

Too Like the Saunders/Seven Saunders/The Will to Fakepost/Perhaps the Fivestars

The Wheel of Graydons

“Buy My Books”, the Graydonalt Said

How Much For Just Those Ebooks

The Commonweal, the Graydon, the Saunders and His Larry

Dhalgraydon

Graydonalt 451

“Repent, Cardiac!” Said The Graydonmen

$19.84

Do Forums Dream of Electric Books

Grayd Runner

Groon

What Did Graydon Sell You?

Graydon in a Grey Forum

The posters outside looked from Graydon to mod, and from mod to Graydon, and from Graydon to mod again. But already it was impossible to tell which was which.

Graydonlance

The Word for User is Graydon

Their Posts Were Praising Graydon

GraydN at valve software dot com

Graydonquest by Neil Cicierega

We Can Impersonate Him For You Wholesale

The Graft Sequence

The Blue and the Graydon

Dad Gray, So What

The Alts in My Pockets like Grayson Saunders

Graydon Saunderson

What Ever Happened To The Mods Who Aren’t Grayson

007 in “Buy Another Gray”

Uhhhh Battuta out

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


Can I nominate that post for a Hugo?

buffalo all day
Mar 13, 2019

Good Lord.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
General... Saunders.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

General Battuta posted:

The Word for User is Graydon
lmao this one got me good

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
How many goons do you need, Gray 5?

I'd say about twenty goons. Some on the forums, some on the mod team

mewse
May 2, 2006

General Battuta posted:

The graydon saunders baru cormorant

The author of baru hates these jokes just FYI

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is Graydon Saunders? This is Graydon Saunders speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are perishing—you who dread knowledge—I am the man who will now tell you.” “You have heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis. You have said it yourself, half in fear, half in hope that the words had no meaning. You have cried that man’s sins are destroying the world and you have cursed human nature for its unwillingness to practice the virtues you demanded. Since virtue, to you, consists of sacrifice, you have demanded more sacrifices at every successive disaster. In the name of a return to morality, you have sacrificed all those evils which you held as the cause of your plight. You have sacrificed justice to mercy. You have sacrificed independence to unity. You have sacrificed reason to faith. You have sacrificed wealth to need. You have sacrificed self-esteem to self-denial. You have sacrificed happiness to duty.

“You have destroyed all that which you held to be evil and achieved all that which you held to be good. Why, then, do you shrink in horror from the sight of the world around you? That world is not the product of your sins, it is the product and the image of your virtues. It is your moral ideal brought into reality in its full and final perfection. You have fought for it, you have dreamed of it, and you have wished it, and I—I am the man who has granted you your wish.

“Your ideal had an implacable enemy, which your code of morality was designed to destroy. I have withdrawn that enemy. I have taken it out of your way and out of your reach. I have removed the source of all those evils you were sacrificing one by one. I have ended your battle. I have stopped your motor. I have deprived your world of man’s mind.

“Men do not live by the mind, you say? I have withdrawn those who do. The mind is impotent, you say? I have withdrawn those whose mind isn’t. There are values higher than the mind, you say? I have withdrawn those for whom there aren’t.

“While you were dragging to your sacrificial altars the men of justice, of independence, of reason, of wealth, of self-esteem—I beat you to it, I reached them first. I told them the nature of the game you were playing and the nature of that moral code of yours, which they had been too innocently generous to grasp. I showed them the way to live by another morality—mine. It is mine that they chose to follow.

“All the men who have vanished, the men you hated, yet dreaded to lose, it is I who have taken them away from you. Do not attempt to find us. We do not choose to be found. Do not cry that it is our duty to serve you. We do not recognize such duty. Do not cry that you need us. We do not consider need a claim. Do not cry that you own us. You don’t. Do not beg us to return. We are on strike, we, the men of the mind.

“We are on strike against self-immolation. We are on strike against the creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. We are on strike against the dogma that the pursuit of one’s happiness is evil. We are on strike against the doctrine that life is guilt.

“There is a difference between our strike and all those you’ve practiced for centuries: our strike consists, not of making demands, but of granting them. We are evil, according to your morality. We have chosen not to harm you any longer. We are useless, according to your economics. We have chosen not to exploit you any longer. We are dangerous and to be shackled, according to your politics. We have chosen not to endanger you, nor to wear the shackles any longer. We are only an illusion, according to your philosophy. We have chosen not to blind you any longer and have left you free to face reality—the reality you wanted, the world as you see it now, a world without mind.

“We have granted you everything you demanded of us, we who had always been the givers, but have only now understood it. We have no demands to present to you, no terms to bargain about, no compromise to reach. You have nothing to offer us. We do not need you.

“Are you now crying: No, this was not what you wanted? A mindless world of ruins was not your goal? You did not want us to leave you? You moral cannibals, I know that you’ve always known what it was that you wanted. But your game is up, because now we know it, too.

“Through centuries of scourges and disasters, brought about by your code of morality, you have cried that your code had been broken, that the scourges were punishment for breaking it, that men were too weak and too selfish to spill all the blood it required. You damned man, you damned existence, you damned this earth, but never dared to question your code. Your victims took the blame and struggled on, with your curses as reward for their martyrdom—while you went on crying that your code was noble, but human nature was not good enough to practice it. And no one rose to ask the question: Good?—by what standard?

“You wanted to know Graydon Saunder’s identity. I am the man who has asked that question.

Sarern
Nov 4, 2008

:toot:
Won't you take me to
Bomertown?
Won't you take me to
BONERTOWN?

:toot:

mewse posted:

The author of baru hates these jokes just FYI

:five:

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


General Battuta posted:

“Repent, Cardiac!” Said The Graydonmen

This one is the best imo.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

fez_machine posted:

For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is Graydon Saunders? This is Graydon Saunders speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are perishing—you who dread knowledge—I am the man who will now tell you.” “You have heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis. You have said it yourself, half in fear, half in hope that the words had no meaning. You have cried that man’s sins are destroying the world and you have cursed human nature for its unwillingness to practice the virtues you demanded. Since virtue, to you, consists of sacrifice, you have demanded more sacrifices at every successive disaster. In the name of a return to morality, you have sacrificed all those evils which you held as the cause of your plight. You have sacrificed justice to mercy. You have sacrificed independence to unity. You have sacrificed reason to faith. You have sacrificed wealth to need. You have sacrificed self-esteem to self-denial. You have sacrificed happiness to duty.

“You have destroyed all that which you held to be evil and achieved all that which you held to be good. Why, then, do you shrink in horror from the sight of the world around you? That world is not the product of your sins, it is the product and the image of your virtues. It is your moral ideal brought into reality in its full and final perfection. You have fought for it, you have dreamed of it, and you have wished it, and I—I am the man who has granted you your wish.

“Your ideal had an implacable enemy, which your code of morality was designed to destroy. I have withdrawn that enemy. I have taken it out of your way and out of your reach. I have removed the source of all those evils you were sacrificing one by one. I have ended your battle. I have stopped your motor. I have deprived your world of man’s mind.

“Men do not live by the mind, you say? I have withdrawn those who do. The mind is impotent, you say? I have withdrawn those whose mind isn’t. There are values higher than the mind, you say? I have withdrawn those for whom there aren’t.

“While you were dragging to your sacrificial altars the men of justice, of independence, of reason, of wealth, of self-esteem—I beat you to it, I reached them first. I told them the nature of the game you were playing and the nature of that moral code of yours, which they had been too innocently generous to grasp. I showed them the way to live by another morality—mine. It is mine that they chose to follow.

“All the men who have vanished, the men you hated, yet dreaded to lose, it is I who have taken them away from you. Do not attempt to find us. We do not choose to be found. Do not cry that it is our duty to serve you. We do not recognize such duty. Do not cry that you need us. We do not consider need a claim. Do not cry that you own us. You don’t. Do not beg us to return. We are on strike, we, the men of the mind.

“We are on strike against self-immolation. We are on strike against the creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. We are on strike against the dogma that the pursuit of one’s happiness is evil. We are on strike against the doctrine that life is guilt.

“There is a difference between our strike and all those you’ve practiced for centuries: our strike consists, not of making demands, but of granting them. We are evil, according to your morality. We have chosen not to harm you any longer. We are useless, according to your economics. We have chosen not to exploit you any longer. We are dangerous and to be shackled, according to your politics. We have chosen not to endanger you, nor to wear the shackles any longer. We are only an illusion, according to your philosophy. We have chosen not to blind you any longer and have left you free to face reality—the reality you wanted, the world as you see it now, a world without mind.

“We have granted you everything you demanded of us, we who had always been the givers, but have only now understood it. We have no demands to present to you, no terms to bargain about, no compromise to reach. You have nothing to offer us. We do not need you.

“Are you now crying: No, this was not what you wanted? A mindless world of ruins was not your goal? You did not want us to leave you? You moral cannibals, I know that you’ve always known what it was that you wanted. But your game is up, because now we know it, too.

“Through centuries of scourges and disasters, brought about by your code of morality, you have cried that your code had been broken, that the scourges were punishment for breaking it, that men were too weak and too selfish to spill all the blood it required. You damned man, you damned existence, you damned this earth, but never dared to question your code. Your victims took the blame and struggled on, with your curses as reward for their martyrdom—while you went on crying that your code was noble, but human nature was not good enough to practice it. And no one rose to ask the question: Good?—by what standard?

“You wanted to know Graydon Saunder’s identity. I am the man who has asked that question.
http://haltse.cx

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

mewse posted:

The author of baru hates these jokes just FYI

:allears:

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
Man I just realized I was at the doctor today and she said "If you don't start exercising more, in thirty years you're going to need a cardiac stent"

Subliminal Cardiac priming by my gangstalkers I guess

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

the adrian tchaikovsky novella (?) elder race is a good standalone SF story

he's incredibly consistent and prolific in output over multiple, unrelated series

wizzardstaff
Apr 6, 2018

Zorch! Splat! Pow!

General Battuta posted:

Man I just realized I was at the doctor today and she said "If you don't start exercising more, in thirty years you're going to need a cardiac stent"

Subliminal Cardiac priming by my gangstalkers I guess

Read the first half of the sentence and then was really disappointed when it didn't end with "but doctor, I am Graydon Saunders!"

DreamingofRoses
Jun 27, 2013
Nap Ghost

I feel like something’s going over my head here.



I just finished There is No Antimemetics Division and it is excellent. Well worth the money.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




DreamingofRoses posted:

I feel like something’s going over my head here.



I just finished There is No Antimemetics Division and it is excellent. Well worth the money.

Battuta wrote baru

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Graydon Saunders.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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General Battuta posted:

Man I just realized I was at the doctor today and she said "If you don't start exercising more, in thirty years you're going to need a cardiac stent"

Subliminal Cardiac priming by my gangstalkers I guess

You're getting exercised today, for sure.

DreamingofRoses
Jun 27, 2013
Nap Ghost

silvergoose posted:

Battuta wrote baru

That definitely went over my head and absolute :lmao:

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



a canticle for saunders

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

navyjack posted:

He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Graydon Saunders.

:hmbol:

Ceebees
Nov 2, 2011

I'm intentionally being as verbose as possible in negotiations for my own amusement.

shrike82 posted:

the adrian tchaikovsky novella (?)

The thread must adjudicate: 200-page novella y/n?

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993
200 pages? A novella? That's more like a short story.

Happiness Commando
Feb 1, 2002
$$ joy at gunpoint $$

It used to be we could go several hundred pages without a Graydon slap fight. Now we can't go ten.

Pretty soon this thread will be nothing but Graydon alts shitposting at each other


In actual news, I pushed through Cordelia's Honor at the suggestion of a couple posters here and everything got so much better afterwards. There have been several times where I didn't get enough sleep because I was so engrossed reading before bed, and I can't remember the last time that happened.

Gato The Elder
Apr 14, 2006

Pillbug
so what’s the deal with this commonweal stuff?

bovis
Jan 30, 2007




Read through the first 4 Malazan books over the past month. I had first attempted the series 5 or so years ago and for some reason gave up 3/4 of the way through the 4th on so I'm finally ahead of my last attempt!

Really enjoying them a lot. Think coming back to them after so long gave me a clearer view and makes me appreciate them more. Looking forward to starting something completely new with the 5th, hope I'll be able to wrap my mind around all the new characters :D

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

A Carly Rae Jihad posted:

so what’s the deal with this commonweal stuff?

It's a self-published series on Google Play from a frequent Rec.Arts.Science.Fiction poster that's heavy on world building, magic systems, and qausi-socialist politics.

Might actually be good (with massive caveats from even the favourable reviews) but the last time people posted about the series a few weeks ago there were a tonne of spoiler tags, which isn't conductive to the health of the thread, and people were beginning to ask why a relatively inaccessible self-published work was getting so much chat. The speculation was that one of the posters was Graydon Saunders trying to promote the books, which isn't wholly unlikely given his posting background.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Ceebees posted:

The thread must adjudicate: 200-page novella y/n?

The entire LotR trilogy is the same length as one book in the malazan or aSoIaF series.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

fez_machine posted:

It's a self-published series on Google Play from a frequent Rec.Arts.Science.Fiction poster that's heavy on world building, magic systems, and qausi-socialist politics.

Might actually be good (with massive caveats from even the favourable reviews) but the last time people posted about the series a few weeks ago there were a tonne of spoiler tags, which isn't conductive to the health of the thread, and people were beginning to ask why a relatively inaccessible self-published work was getting so much chat. The speculation was that one of the posters was Graydon Saunders trying to promote the books, which isn't wholly unlikely given his posting background.

And just to put that discussion to bed (hopefully for the last time) I went and read the whole series and, no, it's just that goons are talking about it because it's competently written and hyper-focused at the exact type of thing goons would love -- a black company mash-up from a weird quasi-libertarian-socialist perspective. Everyone's just talking about it because they like and it and it's complex enough to spark a lot of discussion.

You should see the dude's private google chat group. It's all discussions about things like the implication of alternate universe string theory on the ethics of meaningful enthusiastic consent. We might as well make him his own subforum and get ahead of the curve.

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Nov 25, 2021

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

bovis posted:

Read through the first 4 Malazan books over the past month. I had first attempted the series 5 or so years ago and for some reason gave up 3/4 of the way through the 4th on so I'm finally ahead of my last attempt!

Really enjoying them a lot. Think coming back to them after so long gave me a clearer view and makes me appreciate them more. Looking forward to starting something completely new with the 5th, hope I'll be able to wrap my mind around all the new characters :D

I bounced off the first three hard, but House of Chains is where the series gets legitimately great. So if you're enjoying it now, you're in for a real treat.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




I've no idea how you can bounce off three books of a series and still read the fourth, haha.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

silvergoose posted:

I've no idea how you can bounce off three books of a series and still read the fourth, haha.

People were really passionate about those books and I wanted to see what the deal was!

Also I didnt have a lot else going on at the time.

Was worth it, tbh.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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silvergoose posted:

I've no idea how you can bounce off three books of a series and still read the fourth, haha.

I bounced off GOTM but persevered with Deadhouse Gates. I'd say that a preferred reading order would start with the prologues to Memories of Ice and House of Chains, then go back to Gardens. You'll still struggle a little, but you'll have a bit more backstory and you'll know that there's good writing to come.

Collateral
Feb 17, 2010

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

You should see the dude's private google chat group. It's all discussions about things like the implication of alternate universe string theory on the ethics of meaningful enthusiastic consent. We might as well make him his own subforum and get ahead of the curve.

Well it is magic mushroom season.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot

Hieronymous Alloy posted:



libertarian



dude's private chat group.

implication


consent.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
The good kind, who is concerned about consent rather than the age thereof being too high.

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eke out
Feb 24, 2013



yeah "libertarian socialism" shares little with right wing libertarianism apart from not liking states (which isn't precisely accurate for the commonweal either, as there's quite a strong central state authority, it's just extremely democratized and the equivalent of workers' collectives and social communes play a big role in determining who gets to exercise state power)

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