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Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

That Mat part felt full on:

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Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




Barreft posted:

They are being way more true to the books then I thought they'd be

That episode was almost straight book poo poo, haters looking awful foolish right now.

I think the saidin crazy talk is well done too. Bring on LTT!

Brolander
Oct 20, 2008

i am but a vessel

Johnny Joestar posted:

it's genuinely why i think they're going to do kind of a 'horror' bend near the end of the season to make people realize how big this realization is and hammer home how intensely hosed rand is.

this just makes me hope again that they do the "kneeling" scene

Gully Foyle
Feb 29, 2008

Episode 4 thoughts:


- Overall thought: drat that was awesome! At least at first watch my favourite episode so far. The ending sequence was fantastic, and a great way of showing just how powerful Nynaeve is.

- Logain's arc as the false Dragon is really well played. Tainted saidin looks so oily and gross as it should. I like that they show off not only the madness of the taint but the fact that it can be held off, and that even madness does not remove agency or choice. Alvaro's Logain is incredible and charismatic. You can understand why Min could see glory around him.

- Grinwell farm was well done - nice to subvert expections on Else Grinwell haha. Odd choice at the start to have Rand be mistrusting of Thom and Mat more accepting, but once Master Grinwell showed up and Mat went for the dagger it was more as it should be. I like Rand being the nice honest Two Rivers boy.
- Mat's dagger sickness being similar to the taint (at least similar enough Thom) from the outside is an interesting decision. Decent way to work in Owyn's story in the brief time we have with Thom (it seems - hopefully he will be back sooner than the books).
- Birgitte! Couldn't tell, but I don't think there was a silver bow with the doll sadly, but you do get the golden braid!
- Like, I knew it couldn't have been Mat that killed the family, but gently caress, a part of me despaired for a moment. Thank god for the Fade. Foreshadowing or hinting here at the opposition between Mashadar/Mordeth and the Dark One - nice.
- The fight choreography between Thom and the Fade was excellent. Sad they left out the blue flashes etc, but close enough.

- The introduction to the way of the Leaf is well done, especially with the way that Ila perceives the turmoil within Perrin.
- Ila's story is a great callback/foreshadowing to the Tinker/Aiel split from the Rhuidean visions. Exactly the same kind of story, but from the point of the view of those who kept the Way.
- Aram is a little cheesy/modern feeling for me for some reason.
- Interesting change to have the Tinkers have a Rumspringa of sorts, especially if its true as Aram implies that some take up arms. Not sure if I like that specific aspect of this change - I don't mind the wandering etc., but the vehemence that the book Tuatha'an show when Aram picks up a sword is a key piece of the story of the Tuatha'an.

- The slower change of pace for the first part of the Aes Sedai camp story was nice. Interesting addition to the Reds having policing Aes Sedai themselves as part of their Ajah duties. Wonder how much of that is Liandrin and how much is the actual Red Ajah.
- Green Ajah + Warder orgies confirmed, I'm down with that. I like the contrast between the Greens and Moiraine/Lan.
- Good to show more of the Nynaeve/Lan romance development, feels believable if a bit storybook so far.

- All of the scenes with Moiraine and Logain - so good. She is taken aback by just how strong he is, and as she says, he is nothing besides the DR.
- I like the uncertainty Moiraine has at first when she speaks to Logain... a part of her truly wonders, at least for a moment, if he is what he thinks and that the prophecies etc are mistaken.
- Confirmed that the men's weaves are invisible to women, and they are just for us viewers - I'm good with that.
- The Dragon's 'army' is a little small - but understandable given the restrictions of TV. I just hope that true armies do get their time and effort later on.
- The AS/Dragonsworn fight is a bit of a miss for me - not sure why, but felt a bit underwhelming. As Liandrin implied, the Aes Sedai should be better about holding off an army than this. Granted, several of them were occupied with Logain, but still... not a great showing for the Battle Ajah. To be fair, this is pretty true to the books, where the Greens were less than stellar. It also shows how the different Ajahs don't do a great job at cooperating.
- Logain's escape on the other hand, drat that was incredible. Just the initial explosion and then Logain standing up perfectly calm as the cage melts. Makes me dream of a certain box scene.
- Goddamn I was not prepared for the last scene - Lan getting his loving throat cut, Moiraine impaled. I was almost wondering if balefire was about to get used to reverse time, but Nynaeve's superheal was a great alternative. The brilliant glow of the Power around her as compared to all the Aes Sedai we've seen, her anger, the fact that she uses it to heal rather than attack, all just perfect!
- Liandrin using the opportunity to gentle Logain was great. Her action is both justifiable (as shown by the rest of the Aes Sedai linking with her to do it) and in keeping with the Black Ajah actions to sever men without waiting for trial.


All in all, 9/10 for me.

Prairie Bus
Sep 22, 2006




Johnny Joestar posted:

it's genuinely why i think they're going to do kind of a 'horror' bend near the end of the season to make people realize how big this realization is and hammer home how intensely hosed rand is.

Haven’t seen the episode yet but I hope you’re right. That could be very good.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Good Episode, show still good. They continue to do well with the easiest part of the books to film. I'm not one to question their commitment to Sparkle Motion, but I do fear what will happen when we get into full blown Jordanian Chracterpalooza where everyone is someone and there are too many of them and things stopped happening a whole book ago.

Still some things stretch the imagination too much. Nobody at all would ever offer a closeby bed or some childborne bread to the daggered-up slouch-eyed creep that Mat is in here.

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

shadow puppet of a posted:

Good Episode, show still good. They continue to do well with the easiest part of the books to film. I'm not one to question their commitment to Sparkle Motion, but I do fear what will happen when we get into full blown Jordanian Chracterpalooza where everyone is someone and there are too many of them and things stopped happening a whole book ago.

Still some things stretch the imagination too much. Nobody at all would ever offer a closeby bed or some childborne bread to the daggered-up slouch-eyed creep that Mat is in here.

xbone

Issaries
Sep 15, 2008

"At the end of the day
We are all human beings
My father once told me that
The world has no borders"

Gully Foyle posted:

Episode 4 thoughts:


- The AS/Dragonsworn fight is a bit of a miss for me - not sure why, but felt a bit underwhelming. As Liandrin implied, the Aes Sedai should be better about holding off an army than this. Granted, several of them were occupied with Logain, but still... not a great showing for the Battle Ajah. To be fair, this is pretty true to the books, where the Greens were less than stellar. It also shows how the different Ajahs don't do a great job at cooperating.


This fight felt too small and tv-budgety. Where are the Tar Valon Armies/Militia, who should be doing the brunt of dying/fighting?
Aes Sedai are almost irreplaceable individuals that had decades of training and they lost multiple to mundane soldiers.


Also no horny dancing. 0/10, bad show.

buffalo all day
Mar 13, 2019

it is so insane that this show exists and I love it

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

buffalo all day posted:

it is so insane that this show exists and I love it

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



adhuin posted:

This fight felt too small and tv-budgety. Where are the Tar Valon Armies/Militia, who should be doing the brunt of dying/fighting?
Aes Sedai are almost irreplaceable individuals that had decades of training and they lost multiple to mundane soldiers.


Also no horny dancing. 0/10, bad show.

I seem to be the only one who thought the battle was cool.

Issaries
Sep 15, 2008

"At the end of the day
We are all human beings
My father once told me that
The world has no borders"

navyjack posted:

I seem to be the only one who thought the battle was cool.

I mean it was cool looking.

episode 4

It's just that thought process behind was bit lacking.
There was a war in Ghealdan and armies were marching there on episode 1.
Aes sedai captured the Logain and are transporting him back to the tower. Where did the armies go?
There should have been an escort or something other than just dozen warders protecting the Aes Sedai and captured Logain.

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Episode was amazing. Love expanded Logain. He rules. I liked the circle imagery. Liked how Logain's madness is shown.

Nynaeve rules. She might move from my #2 to my #1 favorite character of she keeps this up.
Love seeing a Birgitte reference! Egwene and Perrin scene was boring, but it was in the books too. Mat fade fake out got me. I was pissed. Great job.

A+ episode

Brolander
Oct 20, 2008

i am but a vessel

buffalo all day posted:

it is so insane that this show exists and I love it

yeah whatever else amazon does to the world, all is forgiven if the show keeps getting better. wot is like the only thing im a real fanboy about and man im just chuffed

Ghislaine of YOSPOS
Apr 19, 2020

the battle was a little squirrely. what's the point of wards or scouts if a hundred dudes can drop in on you from nowhere. was very funny that they worked in greens and their proclivities and seeing badass gay warders was awesome. I thought the mystery dragon aspect of the show was dumb and misguided but it makes a lot more sense now. this episode felt like it had a lot more time to breathe and exposit.

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
My one issue with the episode Was sisters using the power to kill so quickly. Or I like it? Establish how easy to get around killing with the 3 oaths is in the show.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:

the battle was a little squirrely. what's the point of wards or scouts if a hundred dudes can drop in on you from nowhere. was very funny that they worked in greens and their proclivities and seeing badass gay warders was awesome. I thought the mystery dragon aspect of the show was dumb and misguided but it makes a lot more sense now. this episode felt like it had a lot more time to breathe and exposit.

I kinda assumed that the Dragonarmy found them because of some Liandrian Black Ajah fuckery.

Gully Foyle
Feb 29, 2008

RC Cola posted:

My one issue with the episode Was sisters using the power to kill so quickly. Or I like it? Establish how easy to get around killing with the 3 oaths is in the show.

I mean they have an army of dudes charging at them with swords and shooting arrows straight at them. If that doesn't make them feel in sufficient danger, I dont know what would.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
I'm more than half way through The Great Hunt , Thom is ALIVE!! YAY. super happy about that he's one of my favorite characters. Rand is embracing Saidin and is apparently a bad rear end swords man with it. Not much has happened to Perrin and Mat though. Its kind of a chase book but they got what they were chasing. This lady Serene or whatever her name is is definitely a loving forsaken. I'm thinking Lanfear since she keeps being mentioned. Nyvaeve has been raised to accepted instead of novice and the trial she went through is pretty bad rear end. Elayne showed back up with Egwene as a novice.


Anyway enjoying the books a lot but my hands hurt from reading so much.

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

Good episode overall, though even if I didn't know the plot I can't help but think that I'd be considering the whole classic story beat of the fakeout, and looking very hard at the most seemingly normal person currently in the cast. I'd think Mat would be an obvious one, but possibly deliberately the corruption of Mashadar looks very much like the corruption of Saidin, and the series wasn't super clear on the whole "opposing evils" thing of the Dark One and Shadar Logoth.

adhuin posted:

I mean it was cool looking.

episode 4

It's just that thought process behind was bit lacking.
There was a war in Ghealdan and armies were marching there on episode 1.
Aes sedai captured the Logain and are transporting him back to the tower. Where did the armies go?
There should have been an escort or something other than just dozen warders protecting the Aes Sedai and captured Logain.


I imagine any large field battles are going to be saved for actual major points in the series for budgetary reasons, which will sadly have some effects like this. Just reason it that most of Logain's followers are being held offscreen by the actual allied armies, while this was some small force that slipped by. Shame about not seeing the allied armies though - maybe they'll get some brief screentime once this plot thread reaches an actual city

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
It was definitely a "TV battle", but it still rocked for me. What a great episode! Total fake-out with Mat and the murders, I let out an audible "what the gently caress?!".

My girlfriend, completely unprompted and in the middle of the episode, brought up Rand and the dead Aiel from the cage in episode 3 and asked if there was a reason they looked so similar. What a sharp eye she has.

Moiraine realizing how strong Logain is was great. Everything Logain was pretty great. Nynaeve's super powered moment at the end ruled.

I think the only part I didn't like was the Alanna + warders orgy and eh whatever, so it goes.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




I mean it's Myrelle that did that in the books, why can't Alanna?

CainsDescendant
Dec 6, 2007

Human nature




I love that Nynaeve just stabbing things to death has happened in half of the episodes released so far, hopefully they can keep that going

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

CainsDescendant posted:

I love that Nynaeve just stabbing things to death has happened in half of the episodes released so far, hopefully they can keep that going

That's honestly one of the sillier moments if you think about it. He had a longer weapon that needs to stay further away to use and he just... fell into her arms so she could stab him. Yes, yes, making her look cool and all, but that scene makes very little sense.

latinotwink1997
Jan 2, 2008

Taste my Ball of Hope, foul dragon!


Episode 4

With Logan’s reaction “like a raging sun” to Nynaeve’s healing, I got the impression he saw the weaves. That or the effect of her weaving to heal everyone also created a bright light visible to anyone.

If it’s the former, that’s an interesting though understandable change from the books. I could also see the possibility of women not seeing men’s weaves because of the taint and once it’s cleansed, suddenly they can again.

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth

Lord Koth posted:

That's honestly one of the sillier moments if you think about it. He had a longer weapon that needs to stay further away to use and he just... fell into her arms so she could stab him. Yes, yes, making her look cool and all, but that scene makes very little sense.

TV battles.

I'm happy to give them a pass on it for now, I hope it kind of improves in later seasons haha.

Goofballs
Jun 2, 2011



Hollismason posted:

I'm more than half way through The Great Hunt

You should probably dip out of this thread. Its entirely likely that some book ending stuff will get posted here. I did some last page but in spoilers. On the plus side the books are very good to a point

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

How are u posted:

TV battles.

I'm happy to give them a pass on it for now, I hope it kind of improves in later seasons haha.

Oh, sure, there's plenty of absurd things in tv/movie battles (bet Lan was wishing he'd remembered to wear some armor, particularly a gorget, during the last sequence), I just noted it since the show took care to call attention to that scene of the field battle.

Issaries
Sep 15, 2008

"At the end of the day
We are all human beings
My father once told me that
The world has no borders"

In case of what could have been, the concept art pages for the episodes have nice little pictures of what they were considering earlier for the certain scenes:


Episode 1 - Egwene's adulthood rites:




Episode 4 - Opening scene






RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

latinotwink1997 posted:

Episode 4

With Logan’s reaction “like a raging sun” to Nynaeve’s healing, I got the impression he saw the weaves. That or the effect of her weaving to heal everyone also created a bright light visible to anyone.

If it’s the former, that’s an interesting though understandable change from the books. I could also see the possibility of women not seeing men’s weaves because of the taint and once it’s cleansed, suddenly they can again.


I got that it was supposed to be her maybe being the dragon. They said something about the dragon being like a raging sun right?

Crini
Sep 2, 2011

latinotwink1997 posted:

Episode 4

With Logan’s reaction “like a raging sun” to Nynaeve’s healing, I got the impression he saw the weaves. That or the effect of her weaving to heal everyone also created a bright light visible to anyone.

If it’s the former, that’s an interesting though understandable change from the books. I could also see the possibility of women not seeing men’s weaves because of the taint and once it’s cleansed, suddenly they can again.


In the books men could sense when women channel, they shiver. Or feel cool/cold.

If the voices Logain heard were actually real and from the past they could have told him that.

Ghislaine of YOSPOS
Apr 19, 2020

latinotwink1997 posted:

Episode 4

With Logan’s reaction “like a raging sun” to Nynaeve’s healing, I got the impression he saw the weaves. That or the effect of her weaving to heal everyone also created a bright light visible to anyone.

If it’s the former, that’s an interesting though understandable change from the books. I could also see the possibility of women not seeing men’s weaves because of the taint and once it’s cleansed, suddenly they can again.


I thought it was because of the incredible thing she had done immediately prior to that

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE
Those artworks are spectacular can you imagine if someone that talented had been in charge of doing the book covers? I'd happily hang big giant prints of those on my walls.

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





Episode Four "The Dragon Reborn"

And we're back! Fortunately for me, my family Thanksgiving is a lunch affair, so I was home in time to watch the show as soon as it dropped. I did miss most of the Bears game, but even though the Bears finally won for the first time in over a month, I'm much happier having missed that and been able to see this than the other way around. So let's go over it!


What happened?

This episode has, by far, the most new show-only material in it of the four episodes we've seen so far. This episode covers events from chapters 25, 26, and 31 of Eye of the World, with Thom, Mat, and Rand spending the night at the Griswell farm, Thom relating the story of his nephew who could channel Owyn as well as the lad's ultimate fate, and Thom sacrificing himself to hold off a Fade so Mat and Rand can escape it. Perrin and Egwene spend time with the Tinkers, with Egwene becoming close to Aram. And finally in the brand new sequence, Lan, Moiraine, and Nynaeve join up with the team of Aes Sedai (four Green and four Red) who have captured Logain Ablar, a man who can channel and who has declared himself the Dragon Reborn.


What was changed or added?

Nearly everything? Okay, let's break it down chronologically by plotline again.

Perrin and Egwene's travels with the Tinkers is the closest to book accurate, save for the story of Aram's dead mother, here murdered by bandits when Aram was a baby. In the book, Aram's mother is still alive and only dies in chapter 45 of The Shadow Rising. Her death at the hands of Trollocs spurs Aram to turn his back on the Way of the Leaf.

Aram's revelation that when a Tinker turns 20, he or she leaves the wagons to experience the outside world for awhile is new. The fact that Aram mentions that some of these wanderers even take up arms suggests that in the show, the Tinkers may not be as likely to disown Aram when he takes up the sword in The Shadow Rising, but that remains to be seen.

Meanwhile, over with Mat, Rand, and Thom, Thom being with the boys at the Griswell farm is new. In the book, Thom had already disappeared, and the boys successfully used the Gleeman skills Thom had taught them while on the boat journey to Whitebridge to earn a place to stay for the night and a meal.

Mat never receives a Birgitte doll in the book, though confirmation that Birgitte is at least still a legendary character in the show is nice.

In the book, Thom believes Rand to be the one showing signs of channeling, not Mat, and in the book he is totally correct.

Rand's dream, like all the dreams in the show so far, is new in regards to the details, though Ba'alzamon definitely is harassing Rand, Mat, and Perrin with nightmares throughout the book.

The deaths of the Griswells at the hands of the Fade (presumably the one called last episode by Dana) is new. Mat detecting the Fade (with the dagger?) is new. In the book, Thom makes his stand against the Fade on a street in Whitebridge, and his scream of agony as the boys flee convinces them that the Fade has killed him.

Everything in the Moiraine/Lan/Nynaeve plotline is brand new. In the book Logain never comes close to escaping, Liandrin and Alanna aren't involved, and Karene Nagashi definitely isn't involved, since in the books she had been killed in chapter 17 of the prequel book New Spring nearly twenty years before the events of the main novels!

In the book, Logain is captured in a major battle near Lugard in Murandy in which Aes Sedai are killed capturing him. He is taken in a wheeled cage through Camelyn, where Rand sees him, then taken to the White Tower and gentled there.

Nynaeve's backstory here is new, and slightly contradictory with the version of it we heard in episode one. In the episode one version, Moiraine believes Nynaeve had been brought to the Two Rivers by "the old Wisdom" (presumably still Doral Barran, though she remains unnamed in the series) "as a baby" which makes it unlikely that Nynaeve could have remembered the Old Tongue phrase spoken by her parents. Of course it could simply be that Moiraine was told an incorrect version of the story and Nynaeve wasn't of a mind to correct the mistake when they had the talk in the sacred pools.

In the book, Logain's army had been dispersed in the battle in which he was captured by the Aes Sedai and do not attempt to free him on the road to Tar Valon.

Nynaeve definitely doesn't do a healing nova in the book as her first channeling experience, and certainly not to save the lives of Lan and the others.


What got dropped entirely?

This category is harder fill in given the vast changes made in the various plotlines, but...

The absence of Elyas, who provides counter-arguments against the Way of the Leaf in the book, is a definite omission.

Missing from the slaughter at the Griswell farm is fan favorite, boy-crazy Novice Aes Sedai Else Griswell. In the book she becomes enamored with Rand and eventually leaves home to apply to the White Tower where she starts Novice training, but ultimately flunks out for spending too much time chasing boys and Warders and not enough time actually studying. (The dead little girl is Helga Griswell, not Else.)

As before, a number of other farm and village encounters (both with and without bonus Darkfriends) have been omitted.

In the book in which she appears, New Spring, Karene has two Warders, Stepin and Karlie, but only Stepin made it into the show.


So what did you like?

Again, almost everything, but especially the new material with Nynaeve, Lan, and Moiraine, including the amazing ending of the episode where Nynaeve shows why she's the one who's needed to back up Rand in cleansing the Source eight books and who knows how many seasons from now.

The glimpses into Aes Sedai politics, friendships, and rivalries are great.

In particular, the bit between Stepin and Lan where Stepin says the Amyrlin is pissed at Moiraine is particularly enjoyable as a book reader because we know from The Great Hunt that Siuan is putting on a show of displeasure to conceal the fact that Moiraine is essentially her personal agent looking for the Dragon Reborn.

The Warders and Nynaeve just chilling by the campfire was a great scene, as were Lan and Moiraine together and Karene and Stepin together. And Green/Warder threesomes are GO! :dance:

Thom misreading Mat's dagger-sickness as the signs of an emergent channeler combined with Nynaeve going all "raging sun" with her first channeling is such a smart way to obfuscate Rand being the Dragon Reborn. The clues that it is Rand (the broken ironwood door, the possibly ta'veran effect on Farmer Griswell, etc) seem to be fairly subtle so far. I'll check in with my non-book reader friend and see if he's still on Team Mat for Dragon Reborn, of course.

As I mentioned above, I was really impressed by Nynaeve's display of raw power, especially compared to the relatively subdued weaves of Logain and the Aes Sedai.

Thom advising Rand to keep Mat as far away from the Aes Sedai as possible when that is actually Mat's only hope mirrors Thom advising Rand, Mat, and Perrin against sharing their dreams with Moiraine in the book, especially since Moiraine (or another Aes Sedai) would be their best defense against the nightmares. Nice parallels!


Okay, hotshot, what didn't you like?

That the episode was only an hour long? That it's another week until the next episode? Honestly, I can't think of anything that really bothered me about this episode. Maybe I'll spot something on a rewatch, or maybe I'm just too full of turkey and tryptophan to analyze properly, but for right now? Loved it!


Anything else?

Happy Thanksgiving if that's a thing you celebrate. Happy Wheel of Time Thursday if you don't!

Episodes 1 & 2
Episode 3
Episode 5
Episode 6
Episode 7
Episode 8

jng2058 fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Dec 27, 2021

latinotwink1997
Jan 2, 2008

Taste my Ball of Hope, foul dragon!


RC Cola posted:

I got that it was supposed to be her maybe being the dragon. They said something about the dragon being like a raging sun right?

Yes, this, but coupled with the whole raging sun graphic we got as she did it.

Crini posted:

In the books men could sense when women channel, they shiver. Or feel cool/cold.

If the voices Logain heard were actually real and from the past they could have told him that.

Except we know Logain isn’t the dragon and his voices aren’t from the past, they are just his madness. And while men can sense women channeling, they can’t really sense women’s power. I don’t see reason for him to think she has power like a raging sun compared to his “trickle” unless he actually saw what was going on. Though he could get that impression from the healing he saw happening.

Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:

I thought it was because of the incredible thing she had done immediately prior to that

I guess we’d have to assume he saw all the healing being done then and it’s far outside something he could pull off.

Like I said, I got the impression the visual ball of light like “a raging sun” was the reason for his comment. Could just as easily be the demonstration of healing performed too.

Anyway, it also seems like he’s much weaker than in the books. He’s only a step down from the Dragon in the books, so not quite the “trickle” Moiraine insinuates. Maybe he hasn’t reached his potential yet and that will come later.

Prairie Bus
Sep 22, 2006




I loved how they’re slow to reveal Moiraine’s play. Latest episode spoilers: Her telling Logain to give her his pitch was perfect, and the earlier reference to Siuan being upset at Moiraine. Great way to tell the audience that Moiraine’s up to something and doesn’t want the sisters to know.

I wasn’t hopeful about the adaptation for a long time, but this episode was so good. They’re managing to get a lot of the interiority. Perrin’s conflict during his talk with the Tuatha’an came through very well.

Also add me to the people saying Nynaeve’s actor is great. I’m so excited to see her develop the character.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


RE: The Raging Sun
Logain in the books can see Ta'varen. Maybe the glowing light was just the effect of her weave, perhaps it was Logain's viewpoint as he saw the pattern bending around her the way he saw Rand's light in Caemlyn.

RE: Tinker Rumspringa
I don't think it's really going to impact Aram's picking up of the sword later. When tinkers who have taken up arms come back to the fold, they are taking up the way of the leaf, and committing to it. If Aram has already come back to the fold and then betrays the way of the leaf later on, it will still be treated as terrible as it was in the books I think and doesn't really lose anything. Also, him taking up a sword after a trolloc kills someone, that's obviously not him just dipping out for a bit. That's a choice.

I'm not going to copy what everyone else said about how great it was. It was. It's the best episode so far, and I feel for all the same reasons. And so, because this is the internet, i'm going to nitpick.

I dislike that so far every mad male channeler is seeing or hearing people who aren't there. I really liked the spread of "madnesses" that came, and I hope it spreads out more.

Also, the way the weaves come in from off screen or from the ground just seems odd to me, given that The Power is supposed to be everywhere all the time.

Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!
If you're enjoying this show and want to keep your blood pressure down, don't visit r/whitecloaks. Holy poo poo what a pile of miserable CHUDs over there.

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

Dr. Clockwork posted:

If you're enjoying this show and want to keep your blood pressure down, don't visit r/whitecloaks. Holy poo poo what a pile of miserable CHUDs over there.

Go on... Maybe in spoilers

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Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!
It's a sub full of over the top CHUD incels who are upset at the "wokeness" in the show (woke= diversity, female Dragons, strong female characters which totally isn't a thing in the books right? Oh and the offhand comment Dana made to suggest Mat and Rand were a couple. So woke) and also that it isn't perfectly adapting the books beat by beat. It's about what you expect to see from that side of the aisle on an adaptation like this.

Also they named the sub whitecloaks because of course they did.

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