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That episode was incredible and Nynaeve continues to be the greatest character in the books and the show. I can't believe there's an entire week until the next one.
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drat that was one hell of an episode, next week can’t come soon enough.
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Nov 26, 2021 08:20
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I love seeing people theorising on whether Nynaeve could be the Dragon in the TVIV thread.
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Nov 26, 2021 09:59
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Nov 26, 2021 10:29
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latinotwink1997 posted:Anyway, it also seems like he’s much weaker than in the books. He’s only a step down from the Dragon in the books, so not quite the “trickle” Moiraine insinuates. Maybe he hasn’t reached his potential yet and that will come later. He's still incredibly strong, they say that only three of the Aes Sedai with the group are powerful enough to shield him and even then they need to link to maintain it. When Moraine takes over for Liandrin it's mentioned that he's only using half his strength to push against the shield, and later he's able to break it when the Aes Sedai let their guard down for a moment. Even though he's ranked up there with the Dragon Reborn in terms of relative strength he's still a little trickle compared to the river.
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Nov 26, 2021 10:57
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WoT Fandom wiki has a relative strength scale of channelers, citing The Wheel of Time Companion which was published by Jordan's widow and writing assistants from Jordan's notes. https://wot.fandom.com/wiki/One_Power#Scales_of_Power According to that scale, if Rand is in the top spot, Logain is the next step down, and Nynaeve is another 7 ranks below that.
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Nov 26, 2021 11:17
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IIRC the main reason the scale exists at all is because the White Tower has that thing where they base social status off of strength in the Power, so RJ had a chart ranking every named Aes Sedai so that he could be consistent about who outranked who.
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Nov 26, 2021 11:26
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RC Cola posted:Go on... Maybe in spoilers It's basically a markov chain of every r/incel trope you can imagine, mixed with the barest level of criticism. Cheesy fight scenes mary sue diversity feminazi changed the plot. It's not even fun-angry to read, it's just depressing and hateful. Do you know what's not depressing and hateful? This episode! I was kinda lukewarm on the first three, but this one was great. Actually gave us a chance to settle into the world, Rand's thing with the farmer holding the string in his fist is a really nice encapsulation of the WoT worldview - people might be stressed and suspicious, but fundamentally good at heart. And I'm absolutely loving how much they're stretching out the mystery of the Dragon Reborn. It gives viewers an actual plot to follow and get involved in, instead of it being a bunch of yokels on three separate road trips. Edit: also holy poo poo the NO BOOK SPOILERS thread is entirely people saying "oh they're really hiding that it's Rand". Ffs people. Strom Cuzewon fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Nov 26, 2021 |
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:When Moraine takes over for Liandrin it's mentioned that he's only using half his strength to push against the shield A note on this: Logain is pushing with all his strength; Moiraine is only feeling half of it because there are two Aes Sedai maintaining the shield. On the Tinker Rumspringa: People have been saying that Ila may not be so horrified by Aram taking up the sword because some Tinkers take up arms while on Rumspringa. Leaving aside that it's been blatantly set up for Ila's death to be the reason why he takes the sword instead of his mother's, you need to listen more carefully to what he said. "Some farm, some set sail. Some even take up arms, I hear." So he knows that they become farmers and sailors, but has only heard that they become soldiers. The strong implication is that Tinkers who do become soldiers don't ever return to the wagons. The Tinkers may accept a former assassin who has renounced violence for the Way of the Leaf, but that doesn't mean they would be accepting of someone who renounced the Way for violence.
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ChubbyChecker posted:liandrin had excellent casting Yea every scene she's in has ruled for me. @jng keep up the effort posts, I love the "What's changed from the book" bits especially because there's SO MUCH I don't remember I also nearly poo poo a brick with Mat holding the dagger out. I'm obviously not so attached to the books and even I was like, Rafe what the poo poo is this?? And the Birgitte doll made me really happy
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Nov 26, 2021 12:14
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Jedit posted:On the Tinker Rumspringa: People have been saying that Ila may not be so horrified by Aram taking up the sword because some Tinkers take up arms while on Rumspringa. Leaving aside that it's been blatantly set up for Ila's death to be the reason why he takes the sword instead of his mother's, you need to listen more carefully to what he said. "Some farm, some set sail. Some even take up arms, I hear." So he knows that they become farmers and sailors, but has only heard that they become soldiers. The strong implication is that Tinkers who do become soldiers don't ever return to the wagons. The Tinkers may accept a former assassin who has renounced violence for the Way of the Leaf, but that doesn't mean they would be accepting of someone who renounced the Way for violence. The way I understood that was that some are questioning and need to experience violence to affirm their beliefs in anti-violence so it's something that the Tinkers are understanding of but don't really like talking about
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Nov 26, 2021 12:33
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As good as this episode was, I've seen reviewers and critics who got a 6 episode chunk to watch and review say episode 6 was their favorite. Sanderson said 106 is his favorite. It gets even better 
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Nov 26, 2021 13:36
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My nitpick for this episode is that for now, all the Saidin users show madness on the same, just 'hearing voices'. Not only future Rand, but also Logain and the first guy on Ep 1. I understand the importance of having a precedent for Rand, but it's almost all male channelers have the same type of madness, there should be more variety.
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Nov 26, 2021 14:16
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Dr. Clockwork posted:It's a sub full of over the top CHUD incels who are upset at the "wokeness" in the show (woke= diversity, female Dragons, strong female characters which totally isn't a thing in the books right? Oh and the offhand comment Dana made to suggest Mat and Rand were a couple. So woke) and also that it isn't perfectly adapting the books beat by beat. It's about what you expect to see from that side of the aisle on an adaptation like this. I've never visited it, but lol, as you say, the fact they named the subreddit whitecloaks, from all possible terms, organizations and references in WoT, say a lot...
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Turin Turambar posted:I've never visited it, but lol, as you say, the fact they named the subreddit whitecloaks, from all possible terms, organizations and references in WoT, say a lot... I would expect nothing less
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Nov 26, 2021 14:34
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Turin Turambar posted:My nitpick for this episode is that for now, all the Saidin users show madness on the same, just 'hearing voices'. Not only future Rand, but also Logain and the first guy on Ep 1. I understand the importance of having a precedent for Rand, but it's almost all male channelers have the same type of madness, there should be more variety. Although Cadsuane asking Rand if he is hearing voices yet makes this fair game as a common symptom I would say
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Nov 26, 2021 14:35
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the battle was very tv show, but eh, it is a tv show the billion arrows flying over a forest was extra silly the mirror armor on the king was cool, those are shown quite rarely
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Nov 26, 2021 14:38
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Strom Cuzewon posted:It's basically a markov chain of every r/incel trope you can imagine, mixed with the barest level of criticism. Cheesy fight scenes mary sue diversity feminazi changed the plot. It's not even fun-angry to read, it's just depressing and hateful. Reddit really is the Saidin of the Internet. I feel like the actor who plays Liandrin would also have been a great Elaida and it makes me wonder who they're going to cast for it. The Lord Bude fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Nov 26, 2021 |
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Nov 26, 2021 14:50
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The Lord Bude posted:Reddit really is the Saidin of the Internet Does this make 4chan the True Power? 
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Rarity posted:Does this make 4chan the True Power? wouldn't that be sa
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Nov 26, 2021 14:53
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Rarity posted:Does this make 4chan the True Power? checks out to me.
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Hellbore posted:WoT Fandom wiki has a relative strength scale of channelers, citing The Wheel of Time Companion which was published by Jordan's widow and writing assistants from Jordan's notes. One other possibility is that Logain hasn't yet reached his full potential either. In books, we know that men grow in the power by sudden jumps, possibly through adversity. Logain may be weaker now than he ends up in the end after being healed, and going through all the trials and tribulations around the Black Tower. Also it doesn't matter. gently caress the whole "men are typically stronger" bs. Nynaeve is badass.
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ChubbyChecker posted:wouldn't that be sa no we're saidar.
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Gully Foyle posted:One other possibility is that Logain hasn't yet reached his full potential either. In books, we know that men grow in the power by sudden jumps, possibly through adversity. Logain may be weaker now than he ends up in the end after being healed, and going through all the trials and tribulations around the Black Tower. Yeah, it's also possible that they've just done away with the "men are typically stronger" thing and done it by bumping women up the scale a few notches. Which is also fine.
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Nov 26, 2021 14:59
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Turin Turambar posted:My nitpick for this episode is that for now, all the Saidin users show madness on the same, just 'hearing voices'. Not only future Rand, but also Logain and the first guy on Ep 1. I understand the importance of having a precedent for Rand, but it's almost all male channelers have the same type of madness, there should be more variety. It's not quite the same. Unnamed Dude in episode 1 was full on hallucinating a companion, whereas Logain had what he thought were voices of his past selves formed from saidin whispering in his ear.
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Nov 26, 2021 15:01
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At Gathering Storm again. Christ Egwene's outrage over Asha'man bonding Aes Sedai is just the worst.
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Nov 26, 2021 15:02
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Jedit posted:It's not quite the same. Unnamed Dude in episode 1 was full on hallucinating a companion, whereas Logain had what he thought were voices of his past selves formed from saidin whispering in his ear. I could definitely see the former being a more progressed version of the latter though. Likely Logain's just not as mad yet as he could be
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Nov 26, 2021 15:02
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jng2058 posted:Episode Four Thoughts I really liked this post, but the best part was how you consistently misspelled "Grinwell" as "Griswell". Someone watched "Christmas at the Griswolds" too often, I'm guessing and the memories mixed. 
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Episode ruled. Have they mentioned the Forsaken at all yet? I know they name dropped Ishamael in episode 3, but they provided no context for who or what he is. By this point in the books they've probably said the line, "The Dark One and all the Forsaken are bound in Shayol Ghul..." like 10 times. They show us a Birgitte doll, but no mention of the Horn or it's Hero's yet. Kinda feel like they've been missing out on showing us that the Emond's Fielders were ignorant or skeptical of all the legends and stories. Like they didn't even know that Trollocs and Fades were real, or Aes Sedai. And the Horn and Forsaken haven't been mentioned yet.
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So regarding Mat and the dagger: I really think it's a smart move to go from the dagger just making Mat paranoid and catty to actually having it sort of posses him and make him vomit up Mashadar. Since Mordeith wasn't in Shadar Logoth to piggyback on Mat and escape (well, we kinda sorta saw his shadow but that was it), it's a really great way to do the Padan Fain/Mordeith blend later. It's already setting up the possession back and forth they go through, and sets it up for Mordeith to be able to just generate Mashadar later in the series. I'm actually really impressed with all the changes they've made so far, but that one was a stand out to me.
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Nov 26, 2021 16:24
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After sleeping the episode still ruled. I'm gonna watch it again. Nynaeve rules.
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Nov 26, 2021 16:26
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It also sets it up in the future, when they wall off the corruption in Matt but they can't heal him. It makes it seem like there's an actual physical corruption in him to seal. Also in the dagger gets stolen and they go to find it, it also gives a physical visual clue when that healing that they did breaks down a little bit
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, it's also possible that they've just done away with the "men are typically stronger" thing and done it by bumping women up the scale a few notches. Which is also fine. If they do that and don't also change the "men can't link without a woman" thing then men are just worse at channeling.
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Nov 26, 2021 16:39
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Men can sense a woman's channeling/holding the source and women cannot.
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Nov 26, 2021 16:41
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Are these people even watching the same show  https://twitter.com/kod_podcast/status/1464249171439980549
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Nov 26, 2021 16:44
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I feel bad, I accidentally spoiled for my friend that Nynaeve is not a candidate to be TDR last week. I mean an astute watcher would've picked up on that from Moiraine's conversation with her in the first episode, but that was definitely easy to miss. Looking forward to rewatching it on a real screen tomorrow and not my low-res, awful viewing angles budget laptop
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Nov 26, 2021 16:46
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RC Cola posted:After sleeping the episode still ruled. I'm gonna watch it again. Nynaeve rules. I've rewatched it 3x already. Don't forget everybody the official aftershow is at 2pm EST today here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vSuo6EDa_M
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Hexel posted:Are these people even watching the same show No, they aren't. quote:
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Sab669 posted:I feel bad, I accidentally spoiled for my friend that Nynaeve is not a candidate to be TDR last week. They specifically said no one knows how old Nynaeve really is so yeah she's had her braid a while but you can just about fudge it that she looks a few years old for her age
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Yea that too, one could just say "Well maybe she was wrong" I texted asking if he thought it was [character + description of each character] because I figured he might not have caught everyone's names / known how to spell it. And then he was like "But the Darkfriend said 5"
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