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Barreft posted:I like the Wheel of Time. 
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withak posted:Can't believe there is so much weird sex stuff in this fantasy novel. 14 books and some horny, who woulda thought. e: i'm not really following this convo sorry, but Vagenda is right the series is very horny in its own way.
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Dec 1, 2021 00:18
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Or like, how Aviendha describes the dude Sorilea was threatening that she'd set her up with, you can almost imagine the sweaty beefcake Marvel movie shot of him. Then she ends with like but he laughs like a donkey and gently caress that
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Dec 1, 2021 00:21
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:It's actually really loving horny, but in a subtle faux-Victorian kind of way. Not actively pornographic. This always felt more like playground flirting before people were old enough to know what it even was. The show looks much more horny, thank god
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Dec 1, 2021 00:21
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Most of the times "breasts" are mentioned (as opposed to "bosoms") don't really feel horny at all to me, any more than something like "hands on her hips" would.
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Dec 1, 2021 00:22
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Various thoughts Re: Faile - I'm very much on Team Faile, I think she's a badass character who away from Perrin very competent, incredibly competent and strong-willed female leader. Out of all the main cast she's one of the only ones with zero special powers and she still does everything she can to help fight the Dark One whether that's physically or politically. The main problem is that her relationship with Perrin are the target for a lot of Jordan's hangups around women, especially his weird BDSM stuff and 'bitches be jealous' stuff. The best thing the show could do for her is dropping the Faile/Berelain feud like a stone and making them besties instead Re: adapting Perrin - whoever said he doesn't do that much after book 4 is right. The best way to handle this would be a) to lengthen out the Two Rivers storyline through TFoH and the early bits of LoC (there's more than enough material there to do that) and b) have him stick around with Rand longer after Dumai's Wells before sending him off to the Prophet, perhaps keep him through the Seanchan campaign in PoD? Re: Rand's relationships - given that the show's already explicitly setting polyamory as an acceptable thing in this universe I don't see them cutting back on Rand's 3 ladies. If anything I think they'll gay up the relationships between the ladies to make for a more equal polycule. By which I mean yes, the Queen of Andor should be banging an Aiel Wise One
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Dec 1, 2021 00:24
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Strom Cuzewon posted:This always felt more like playground flirting before people were old enough to know what it even was. The show looks much more horny, thank god In a lot of ways the show is very much less horny thus far, not least because it just skips the sexual tension for an actual fade to black sex scene VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Dec 1, 2021 |
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Dec 1, 2021 00:28
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Didn't Rafe say that they were making Rand and the ladies situation polyamory instead of just Rand and 3 women who eventually just accept that they'll be sharing a husband.
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Dec 1, 2021 00:28
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ad090 posted:Didn't Rafe say that they were making Rand and the ladies polyamory instead of just Rand and 3 women who eventually just accept that they'll be sharing a husband. I'm all for it if so. Drummer and her crew in the Expanse rule
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Dec 1, 2021 00:29
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Rarity posted:Re: adapting Perrin - whoever said he doesn't do that much after book 4 is right. The best way to handle this would be a) to lengthen out the Two Rivers storyline through TFoH and the early bits of LoC (there's more than enough material there to do that) and b) have him stick around with Rand longer after Dumai's Wells before sending him off to the Prophet, perhaps keep him through the Seanchan campaign in PoD? I always saw Perrin as the slice of life to counter Rand's nation building and Mat's And since all 3 of them are tied together, given the visions they each have when they think of the other ones, I thought it was nice how each of them got a story that was sort of a "what if" of each of the other ones.
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Dec 1, 2021 00:33
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It's really quite impressive that Amazon is fine with going so hard on positive representations of polyamory given it's still an er, 'controversial', practice in a lot of Western culture
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Dec 1, 2021 00:34
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Rarity posted:It's really quite impressive that Amazon is fine with going so hard on positive representations of polyamory given it's still an er, 'controversial', practice in a lot of Western culture The people who get mad about that poo poo are all over 65 and not buying things online or watching streaming shows
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Dec 1, 2021 00:35
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Rarity posted:It's really quite impressive that Amazon is fine with going so hard on positive representations of polyamory given it's still an er, 'controversial', practice in a lot of Western culture One thing you might consider is that apparently Amazon thinks of WoT as a Prime subscription pusher in non-Western countries.
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Dec 1, 2021 00:35
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Rarity posted:It's really quite impressive that Amazon is fine with going so hard on positive representations of polyamory given it's still an er, 'controversial', practice in a lot of Western culture I really don't think it is. Unless you follow social media, which well everything is distorted there.
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Dec 1, 2021 00:35
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Rarity posted:I think they'll gay up the relationships between the ladies to make for a more equal polycule. By which I mean yes, the Queen of Andor should be banging an Aiel Wise One I hope this is a thing
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Dec 1, 2021 00:47
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i feel like elayne/aviendha was already gay as hell in the books and robert jordan was like the only one that didn't seem to realize it
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Dec 1, 2021 00:48
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:One thing you might consider is that apparently Amazon thinks of WoT as a Prime subscription pusher in non-Western countries. Well, depends on what you mean by non-western. quote:Amazon launched the program in Germany, Japan and the United Kingdom in 2007; in France (as "Amazon Premium") in 2008, in Italy in 2011, in Canada in 2013,[5] in India in July 2016,[6] in Mexico in March 2017,[7] in Turkey in September 2020,[8] in Sweden in September 2021,[9] and in Poland in October 2021. Amazon Prime is also available in Ireland, with plans for a major expansion in 2022 So India, Mexico, Turkey, Sweden, Poland are probably the big frontiers for expansion right now. Luckily the show seems to be doing well in India at least. Show is subtitled in a shitload of languages.
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Dec 1, 2021 00:48
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eke out posted:i feel like elayne/aviendha was already gay as hell in the books and robert jordan was like the only one that didn't seem to realize it I feel like RJ absolutely got it and Moiraine's portrayal in NS is the Rosetta stone.
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Dec 1, 2021 00:49
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Rarity posted:It's really quite impressive that Amazon is fine with going so hard on positive representations of polyamory given it's still an er, 'controversial', practice in a lot of Western culture
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Dec 1, 2021 00:55
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I really want to know how much homophobia is a thing in the show's version of this world. Like, would Elayne go through a whole journey of discovering her sexuality and coming out or is everyone just like 'oh hey you're cute let's bone?'
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Dec 1, 2021 00:59
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Rarity posted:I really want to know how much homophobia is a thing in the show's version of this world. Like, would Elayne go through a whole journey of discovering her sexuality and coming out or is everyone just like 'oh hey you're cute let's bone?' I thought the two warders in ep 4 were talking of boning down. I really don't keep notes on sexuality in tv shows tho
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Dec 1, 2021 01:00
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I also want to reiterate my point that Mat should be pansexual 
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Dec 1, 2021 01:02
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Is it weird that all of Faile and Perrin's totally-not-BDSM antics never bothered me because I got to those books as a pre-teen who was really into anime romcoms so I only imagined it as cartoonish romantic goofery?
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Dec 1, 2021 01:07
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Barreft posted:I thought the two warders in ep 4 were talking of boning down. I really don't keep notes on sexuality in tv shows tho oh they definitely had a polycule threesome
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Dec 1, 2021 01:08
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Did RJ's hinting that Seanchan accents are Texan come out after Michael Kramer did the audiobooks? Just got to their introduction in Great Hunt and he's definitely not doing an accent. It's like all of the Seanchan have Bell's Palsy lmao.
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Dec 1, 2021 01:10
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Sanguinia posted:Is it weird that all of Faile and Perrin's totally-not-BDSM antics never bothered me because I got to those books as a pre-teen who was really into anime romcoms so I only imagined it as cartoonish romantic goofery? I've never obsessed over sex in fiction so I don't think you're weird if you don't either.
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Dec 1, 2021 01:11
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th3t00t posted:Is poly accepted in any cultures? Not the polycule version, but Rand having three women would be totally fine in Islam.
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Dec 1, 2021 01:13
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Dr. Clockwork posted:Did RJ's hinting that Seanchan accents are Texan come out after Michael Kramer did the audiobooks? Just got to their introduction in Great Hunt and he's definitely not doing an accent. It's like all of the Seanchan have Bell's Palsy lmao. Good question, a quick google got me this: https://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kwt=%27seanchan%27 quote:INTERVIEW: Oct 11th, 2005 But I'm sure there's way earlier quotes.
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Dec 1, 2021 01:14
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Dr. Clockwork posted:Did RJ's hinting that Seanchan accents are Texan come out after Michael Kramer did the audiobooks? Just got to their introduction in Great Hunt and he's definitely not doing an accent. It's like all of the Seanchan have Bell's Palsy lmao. I've got a vague recollection of Kramer's remarks on the general subject of accents and stuff for the audiobooks. Particularly when they were recording the early books, audiobooks were very much a side show and there was very little communication between the author/publisher and the people recording the material because even email was barely a thing. So they were basically winging it.
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Dec 1, 2021 01:20
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Barreft posted:Good question, a quick google got me this: re: myself I can't actually find earlier quotes before 2005. Probably something to ask Terez or someone. I'm too busy in my Dread re-playthrough
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Dec 1, 2021 01:23
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Sanguinia posted:Is it weird that all of Faile and Perrin's totally-not-BDSM antics never bothered me because I got to those books as a pre-teen who was really into anime romcoms so I only imagined it as cartoonish romantic goofery? It may be weird but I'm in pretty much the same place. I read a bunch of the Sword of Truth books when I was like 14/15 so Faile and Perrin's dimestore romance novel antics barely rated as being unusual. Reading them now there's some definitely lovely relationship dynamics, but much like a lot of the series it's a time capsule of where literary attitudes were at in the 90's and I find it fascinating through that lens. CainsDescendant fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Dec 1, 2021 |
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Dec 1, 2021 01:26
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Barreft posted:Good question, a quick google got me this: Tuon better sound like Peggy from King of the Hill. Turak should sound like Boomhauer. Have him give his speech and rand just be like "What did you say? I can't understand you."
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Dec 1, 2021 01:26
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I'm way too OCD, here we go, WOT Encyclo http://www.steelypips.org/wotfaq/3_sources/3.14_countries.html quote:In March of 2000, Paul Ward received a letter from RJ in which he listed what some of the regional accents of Randland sound like:
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Dec 1, 2021 01:27
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Sanguinia posted:Is it weird that all of Faile and Perrin's totally-not-BDSM antics never bothered me because I got to those books as a pre-teen who was really into anime romcoms so I only imagined it as cartoonish romantic goofery? no, that's normal. Wheel of Time is an anime.
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Dec 1, 2021 01:27
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:no, that's normal. Wheel of Time is an anime. I've been pretty vocal itt about how much I would have preferred an animated adaptation, and those animated shorts have only firmed my opinion on the topic. I love that we're getting a live action show with apparently broad appeal, but gently caress man gimme that anime series
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Dec 1, 2021 01:29
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CainsDescendant posted:I've been pretty vocal itt about how much I would have preferred an animated adaptation, and those animated shorts have only firmed my opinion on the topic. I love that we're getting a live action show with apparently broad appeal, but gently caress man gimme that anime series Legion vs Shadow King, loving right you're right e: Actually the way they're showing channeling we really might get that fight. Nynaeve vs Mog would be perfect for it. sorry reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIIjCNFS5Wg Barreft fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Dec 1, 2021 |
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Dec 1, 2021 01:31
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Gnoman posted:Most of the times "breasts" are mentioned (as opposed to "bosoms") don't really feel horny at all to me, any more than something like "hands on her hips" would. I've never ever seen someone casually mention breasts as much as Jordan does and I've read some really really bad fantasy and sci-fi. I've certainly seen cringier/grosser authors by quite a bit(again, Piers Anthony). But it's certainly not normal compared to most other writers and noticeable, if oddly prudish in how that's explicit as he gets. Rarity posted:It's really quite impressive that Amazon is fine with going so hard on positive representations of polyamory given it's still an er, 'controversial', practice in a lot of Western culture Even network TV sitcoms have poly relationships at this point. It's not that edgy for a prestige drama. I'm happy if they go with positive poly for the relationships, since the books as written aren't really very good poly representation.
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Dec 1, 2021 01:43
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Dec 1, 2021 01:46
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Rarity posted:I really want to know how much homophobia is a thing in the show's version of this world. Like, would Elayne go through a whole journey of discovering her sexuality and coming out or is everyone just like 'oh hey you're cute let's bone?' The Darkfriend in episode 3 was like "oh, I thought you two were a couple" to Rand and Mat while still trying to avoid suspicion so that means it's nothing that scandalous some places. Even in the books, lesbian relationships are a common thing in Tower training so with it being traditional to send the Andorian Daughter-Heir there everyone in Elayne's line would have encountered it growing up whether they took part or not. Which doesn't mean much for the public perspective, but it does for the royal culture aspect. I'm sure there's a strong push of "Whoever you love you'd better make some heirs" for royalty even in gay-friendly cultures, but in a poly relationship with a man involved that's clearly no problem.
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Jaxyon posted:I've never ever seen someone casually mention breasts as much as Jordan does and I've read some really really bad fantasy and sci-fi. It's not representation unless they're smugly telling the non-poly characters how evolved they are and don't experience jealousy anymore and they feel bad that you aren't enlightened enough to join them.
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