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Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:i must have missed it if there were people whiter than Mat in the two rivers. everyone seemed to have dark hair and eyes. which is consistent with how the b**k describes two rivers folk. perrins brooks brothers shirts are much more distracting to me. i do agree that the dialogue is suffering from trying to have its feet in two worlds. i don't want to hear shite or prick for the rest of the season. Yanking this from the No Book thread. I have two theories about this. A) Mat is going to get sort of healed of the dagger, and lose some of his memories. And he's going to fixate on Uno who's going to use all the book swears we are used to. 2) Once mat gets his memories, he'll start using those swears as they come from another age.
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Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:we're definitely gonna see elaida in this episode or next since they are skipping meeting her in caemlyn. probably some scene to establish a rivalry with siuan, moiraine, or both. i would expect this to be a slow paced game of thronesy ep with lots of talking and setup because everyone agrees the one after is a banger. any other predictions? Given that we know Elayne ain't showing up until season two, odds are Elaida will show up escorting her to the Tower from Camelyn.
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No Min is a bummer.
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Nitrousoxide posted:No Min is a bummer. They cast her for this season I think…
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I believe Min was cast for the first season. I think speculation is she'll show up near the end, in Fal Dara.
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buffalo all day posted:They cast her for this season I think… IMDB has her credited for episodes 7 and 8.
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Dumb question, what does she actually even do in the books other than seeing symbols around peoples heads? It's been a while since I read, legit don't remember a single significant action she performs.
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Sab669 posted:Dumb question, what does she actually even do in the books other than seeing symbols around peoples heads? It's been a while since I read, legit don't remember a single significant action she performs. Emotional labor for Rand, which is critically important. Additionally she's instrumental in Last Battle strategy regarding the seals because of her philosphy hobby. And her viewings are extremely useful for basically everybody.
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Dec 2, 2021 03:51
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I'm about half way through Fires of Heaven. Its pretty good so far. Rand's story with the Aiel is interesting, although I'd like seeing Mat have more to do really. Aviendha and Rand finally hooked up ,but now its all "Oh what about Elayne". Anyway its pretty good but I honestly don't care about Siuan and Logaines story that much. Hopefully Nyaive and Elayne meet up with the exiled blue Aes Sedai soon. I remember Nyaive accidently curing Logaine so I look forward to that moment.
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CainFortea posted:IMDB has her credited for episodes 7 and 8. More importantly, since imdb pre-release is just a wiki without fact checks, she was filming during block 4, which is eps 7-8
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CainFortea posted:IMDB has her credited for episodes 7 and 8. Ah, neat. We're already well past her first appearance in the book so I figured she wasn't going to show up this season.
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I'm slowly going through this Rosamund Pike EotW (because I've been training people at work the last few days so I've had less audio book time.) She actually sings Thom's song in Baerlon. I kinda want her to do all the books so she can sing every song in the series. In a way her reading reminds me of full cast stuff because she takes acting out each part very seriously.
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I didn't want to ask in the TV thread since it's sort of spoiler implicit, but is there any part of the books that the show creators have explicitly said they were skipping? There's some obvious ideas like condensing books 7-10 and whatnot, but I was wondering if they've outright committed to passing over certain specific plotlines as ill-advised, unfilmable, or whatnot.
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Xotl posted:is there any part of the books that the show creators have explicitly said they were skipping? no
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Have they even cast Elaida yet? I feel like I would remember if I'd seen an announcement
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I seriously doubt they show Siuan's and Mins journey with Logaine.
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CainFortea posted:And he's going to fixate on Uno who's going to use all the book swears we are used to. Swearing is one of those things that's hard to get right, because if it doesn't land just right it completely ruins the mood you're trying to set for it. The creators of Deadwood famously decided on using anachronistic swearing because they tried period correct swearing and found that it made all their characters sound like Yosemite Sam. I think it's going to work out similarly here. You'll never get things like "sheep swallop and bloody buttered onions" or "mother's milk in a cup" to land. "Flaming" doesn't really sound like real swearing, it sounds like the kind of 'frakking' replacement that shows up on network TV when they want to drop an f-bomb but cannot. The only one I think that would land properly is "blood and bloody ashes" and that's because the bloody Brits have acclimated people to 'bloody' being used in that context so it sound genuine.
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Hollismason posted:I seriously doubt they show Siuan's and Mins journey with Logaine. Actually they probably would in some form, they need something for those characters to do.
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Mage_Boy posted:I'm slowly going through this Rosamund Pike EotW (because I've been training people at work the last few days so I've had less audio book time.) She actually sings Thom's song in Baerlon. I kinda want her to do all the books so she can sing every song in the series. In a way her reading reminds me of full cast stuff because she takes acting out each part very seriously. I've been a huge fan of the Kramer/Reading versions for years (except Eye, which is a really bad copy audio-wise)...but Pike's reading of Eye is just on a completely different level. She pours every bit of her acting ability into it. I'll re-buy every one of them if she records them all.
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Khizan posted:Swearing is one of those things that's hard to get right, because if it doesn't land just right it completely ruins the mood you're trying to set for it. The creators of Deadwood famously decided on using anachronistic swearing because they tried period correct swearing and found that it made all their characters sound like Yosemite Sam. That's why i'm leaning to one of those two versions, because it would be a specific thing to show that it's different from the rest. Especially if it's the older memories, it'll be wildly different from anything anyone else is saying so it will highlight the difference. And Rafe in the AMA said they "were coming"
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Devorum posted:I've been a huge fan of the Kramer/Reading versions for years (except Eye, which is a really bad copy audio-wise)...but Pike's reading of Eye is just on a completely different level. She pours every bit of her acting ability into it. I'm nearing the end of my Kramer/Reading re-listen and the temptation to immediately restart EotW to hear Pike is strong.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I expect they'll cut the Sea Folk almost entirely. Boats are really expensive to film on. They where also loving annoying. Not seanchan levels of frustration but that whole "hard deal brokers" mostly made them come off as assholes. Which I grant is realistic!
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Mage_Boy posted:I'm slowly going through this Rosamund Pike EotW (because I've been training people at work the last few days so I've had less audio book time.) She actually sings Thom's song in Baerlon. I kinda want her to do all the books so she can sing every song in the series. In a way her reading reminds me of full cast stuff because she takes acting out each part very seriously. Don't like the way she pronounces Tar Valon in this read, I am used to the old one by Michael Kramer and Kate Reading. I wonder how many other differences like that I will react to.
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Khizan posted:"Flaming" doesn't really sound like real swearing, it sounds like the kind of 'frakking' replacement that shows up on network TV when they want to drop an f-bomb but cannot. People in the North of England actually do use "flaming" as a replacement when they want to drop an F-bomb but can't.
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The Lord Bude posted:Actually they probably would in some form, they need something for those characters to do. Yeah they're already setting Logain up to be more important than he is in the books so I doubt they cut the bits where he actually is involved. Plus it's essential for setting up the Siuan/Bryne dynamic
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Rarity posted:Yeah they're already setting Logain up to be more important than he is in the books so I doubt they cut the bits where he actually is involved. Plus it's essential for setting up the Siuan/Bryne dynamic I'm kinda hoping they cut the Siuan/Bryne thing entirely. Bryne feels like a character you can safely cut out to save time.
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Khizan posted:Swearing is one of those things that's hard to get right, because if it doesn't land just right it completely ruins the mood you're trying to set for it. The creators of Deadwood famously decided on using anachronistic swearing because they tried period correct swearing and found that it made all their characters sound like Yosemite Sam. Going to disagree here. Frack worked fine in BSG, because the actors delivered it wholly unselfconciosly. As long as the cast (except Elayne, who is parroting things she doesn't fully get in-universe) can do the same, the book swears can work.
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All of Farscape's little nonsense swears ended up working fine too. You acclimate to that sort of thing pretty quickly, in my experience. Jordan's ones aren't even weird fantasy words, they're just regular phrases.
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Sab669 posted:Dumb question, what does she actually even do in the books She smuggled Leane and Siuan out of the tower after the coup and sexes The Lord Dragon  I'm only in FOH on my reread so I can't remember if she ever explicitly tells him but her vision of Logain crowned with power and glory is the reason why they drag him all the way to Salidar and keep him close. Hexel fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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"mother's milk" is a spanish phrase from for whom the bell tolls, which is also the source for rigney's nom de plume "robert jordan" the milk refers to cum
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Mother's milk in a cup is impossible to believe as a swear because the point of swear words is their short and explosive and mother's milk in a cup is neither of those
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Rarity posted:Mother's milk in a cup is impossible to believe as a swear because the point of swear words is their short and explosive and mother's milk in a cup is neither of those yeah, perhaps it works better in spanish leche!
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People will occasionally construct long elaborate compound swears if they're in a particular sort of mood. It does read as comical... but it's part of a comedy scene so that's fine.
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ChubbyChecker posted:"mother's milk" is a spanish phrase from for whom the bell tolls, which is also the source for rigney's nom de plume "robert jordan" This isn't true. It's actually much less exciting. DragonCon Interview posted:ISHAMAEL "Mother's milk in a cup" will always make me think of a truly vile liqueur my Italian friends tricked me into drinking, Latte di Suocera: Mother-in-law's Milk. Devorum fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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I just remembered that scene where Nynaeve tells Uno he can swear but only once every other sentence and he takes her seriously 
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I like the way Fantastic Mr. Fox did it, just literally use "cuss" for everything You cussin' with me? Cuss you!
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Devorum posted:This isn't true. It's actually much less exciting. yeah, and tolkien said that he disliked allegories
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:I just remembered that scene where Nynaeve tells Uno he can swear but only once every other sentence and he takes her seriously The audio book narration of him tripping over his words is absolute perfection.
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silvergoose posted:The audio book narration of him tripping over his words is absolute perfection. I am not an audiobook guy but I glad to hear (?) it! Jacking this from the TVIV thread: Data Graham posted:My only question about this is what do you do with source material that is extremely explicit about people's appearance, like for plot reasons. The show seems to have pretty happily managed both. Redhead Aiel, sea of diversity everywhere else  Though I wonder now if they'd have cast a non-white guy for Rand otherwise. Hmm.
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Yeah it might come across that I'm passionate about this point. If the plot demands lots of white people for some reason, change the reason. The country based skin color never felt remotely important to any plot, really. Cut it!
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