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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I have a feeling this is the best scene that they're going to cut. I don't see how they do it -- the production values would have to be insane, they'd have to build like ten or twenty different sets. Yeah and also I think it makes sense to cut down one of the many "fast travel" options Jordan introduced before he said "gently caress it everyone can instantly travel anywhere" by like book 6 or 7. The Ways is a good set piece but I bet they never use it again and introduce portals by the end of season 2. It's good world building but when you're cutting out stuff like Caemlyn I don't see you spending time on Ways/Portal Stones/Skimming/TAR travel. Also they apparently through in a portal ter'angreal already.
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They built a big ways set, they'll probably keep it for the journey back to the two rivers in book 4.
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Dec 14, 2021 19:36
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A lot of straw-manning going on regarding my take. I like the show and think they are doing a pretty good job adapting the books so far. But I do think the EF5 are underdeveloped through the first 6 episodes from where they could/should be.
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Dec 14, 2021 19:41
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ad090 posted:I'm guessing that we didn't get more of the Matt, Rand, and Thom journey scenes is, because Josha can't play the flute/sing, and Barney can't juggle/sing. Thom was playing guitar, and not harp/flute for the same reason I imagine, as well as not being able to juggle and doing standing double backflips and poo poo. Most of their time together is Thom giving them so marketable skills, and trying to convince them to not got to Caemlyn and eventually Tar Valon. I remember he tried to convince the lads to go to Illian and become Hunters of the Horn. THE IRONY!
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Dec 14, 2021 19:43
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Devorum posted:Holy poo poo is the "OMG look at this word chart that proves show bad!" canned talking point the most insipid bullshit. It's giving me severe flashbacks to those weirdos on Livejournal or Usenet or whatever who would post endless screenshot-supported diatribes about which of the Sailor Moons had the biggest "rack" and was therefore best
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Dec 14, 2021 19:46
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silvergoose posted:They built a big ways set, they'll probably keep it for the journey back to the two rivers in book 4. They might. I don't think they'll do Portal Stones enough, as much as I'd like them to. I do believe the Shadar Logoth and Tar Valon sets the same just dressed different.
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Jaxyon posted:
Call me crazy but I don't think that ter'angreal in the episode is a portal. I think it's far more likely to be a pocket dreamscape or something similar.
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Dec 14, 2021 19:56
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Data Graham posted:It's giving me severe flashbacks to those weirdos on Livejournal or Usenet or whatever who would post endless screenshot-supported diatribes about which of the Sailor Moons had the biggest "rack" and was therefore best what a bizarre take
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Dec 14, 2021 20:09
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When the portal stone scene comes up they should do an entire episode of various "I win again Lews Therin" vignettes.
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Dec 14, 2021 20:15
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I have a feeling this is the best scene that they're going to cut. I don't see how they do it -- the production values would have to be insane, they'd have to build like ten or twenty different sets. yeah, unfortunately it was one of his best scenes now that i think of it, the rhuidean vision requires about as much effort
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There's a portal stone on the road by Tar Valon when Rand and Mat are walking towards the city. They're kind of important plot devices in book 2 and 4, so I can't imagine they're gonna get cut, but WAFO.
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i can see portal stones being a thing for season 2 but if they're cut for their intended purpose and included purely as a visual ref in that episode then i wouldn't be too surprised definitely won't be touched on for this season, though
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ChubbyChecker posted:yeah, unfortunately Yeah but if they cut Rhuidean i'm pretty sure book readers from across the globe would converge on Prague to burn down the studios and tar and feather Rafe.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:There's a portal stone on the road by Tar Valon when Rand and Mat are walking towards the city. They're kind of important plot devices in book 2 and 4, so I can't imagine they're gonna get cut, but WAFO. I think that was just an old sign post with old tongue writing on it, not a portal stone.
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rhuidean is not being cut, that's one of those things they absolutely can't remove without massive changes
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How are u posted:Yeah but if they cut Rhuidean i'm pretty sure book readers from across the globe would converge on Prague to burn down the studios and tar and feather Rafe. For me, it's "I have won again, Lews Therin" that's non-negotiable. That, and the scene where Berelain shows off her boobs to Rand.
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Dec 14, 2021 20:24
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withak posted:When the portal stone scene comes up they should do an entire episode of various "I win again Lews Therin" vignettes. I would love that actually. The Wish was a great Buffy episode that did an alternate reality. I can't think of any others off the top of my head, but it's always fun to see 'what-if' stuff on occasion.
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th3t00t posted:A lot of straw-manning going on regarding my take. How would you do it though? Lets take episode 5 since lots of people are griping about Stepin's 15 minutes of fame. So with that 15 minutes you give 5 minutes each to Perrin/Egwene, Mat/Rand, and Nynaeve. What do you do with those 5 minutes that both world builds and grows each character? In this episode you already built off of previous episodes so you get the Perrin/wolfbrother payoff. He already confesses to Egwene that he killed his wife. Egwene is able to channel under pressure. Mat knows he's going insane, just not the reason. He just wants to die instead of going insane. Nyneave is poorly dodging Tower politics. So, what do you do with that time? You can either accelerate some time and get them headed out of Tar Valon already, but then you cut an opportunity to show the non-book reader audience just how strong the warder/AS bond is, and also that these are human characters with real grief. So, you cut all that with a throw away line about how warders get big sad after an AS dies. That's not gonna stick with your average viewer. Instead they're just in the whirlwind of 'on to the next stop' and the world only consists of these 6 characters and nothing much else matters. And this is considering time constraints, I'd probably gladly watch 10 episodes that were 90 minutes each, but that's not gonna fly with your average streaming binger, which is unfortunately what they have to cater to. So I think they're doing a pretty good job. I wish the writing was stronger, but that can always be improved. I'm sad Barney Harris is gone, because I think he's done the most with the little that any of them have been given. I'm a bit worried that Perrin doesn't have a ton of range, but hopefully that's because he just hasn't been given much to do. By season 2 it could easily be the Egwene/Nynaeve show because they're the strongest actors, and then /whitecloaks will implode on itself. And now I'm just kind of tailing off because I had to stop halfway through to do some work and don't remember what I was talking about anymore, kind of a Winter's Heart moment.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:There's a portal stone on the road by Tar Valon when Rand and Mat are walking towards the city. They're kind of important plot devices in book 2 and 4, so I can't imagine they're gonna get cut, but WAFO. I don't think that was a portal stone. It has the same script that the other road sign stones had
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Dingleberry2 posted:And this is considering time constraints, I'd probably gladly watch 10 episodes that were 90 minutes each, but that's not gonna fly with your average streaming binger I read today that the first season of the LOTR show is gonna be 20 episodes  https://www.slashfilm.com/568297/lord-of-the-rings-season-1-episode-count/
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Dingleberry2 posted:I would love that actually. The Wish was a great Buffy episode that did an alternate reality. I can't think of any others off the top of my head, but it's always fun to see 'what-if' stuff on occasion. TNG loved that. Yesterday's Enterprise had the Klingon War universe, Inner Light where Picard lives out a whole new life, and Parallels which had Worf hopping through increasingly divergent universes, including a glimpse at one where the Borg won and the Federation had been assimilated. As far as doing sets for "I have won again, Lews Therin" it's not really that many. You need the Al'Thor farm again for the one where Rand and Tam get killed by Trollocs on Winternight, some Two Rivers stuff from when Rand dies an old man there, and Camelyn walls for when Rand dies as a member of the Queensguard. After that it's just brief glimpses of stuff as the visions go faster and faster that probably don't have to be that detailed.
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Dingleberry2 posted:The Wish was a great Buffy episode that did an alternate reality. I can't think of any others off the top of my head Fwiw, The OA is rife with this. If I could have one more season of any cancelled show, The OA would be tied with Party Down for what show I'd pick.
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Dingleberry2 posted:I would love that actually. The Wish was a great Buffy episode that did an alternate reality. I can't think of any others off the top of my head, but it's always fun to see 'what-if' stuff on occasion. Legend of the Seeker did one that was p good too
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I have a feeling this is the best scene that they're going to cut. I don't see how they do it -- the production values would have to be insane, they'd have to build like ten or twenty different sets. They could steal the Mandalorian tech and do it that way. Make it hazy and dreamlike, so you don't need a huge set, just some actors and a green screen. I think you could do a decent version of it that way. I could be remembering wrong, but I think we really only see Rand's versions anyways, the rest are just reactions from other people about it.
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It's more the time investment I would think- you're probably looking at a really big chunk of screen time on a show that has a very limited time budget. Which is a shame, because I loving love that scene.
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I think I'm at the point where I stopped reading the books. Not sure though book ten sounds about right.
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jng2058 posted:As far as doing sets for "I have won again, Lews Therin" it's not really that many. You need the Al'Thor farm again for the one where Rand and Tam get killed by Trollocs on Winternight, some Two Rivers stuff from when Rand dies an old man there, and Camelyn walls for when Rand dies as a member of the Queensguard. After that it's just brief glimpses of stuff as the visions go faster and faster that probably don't have to be that detailed. Actually, shouldn't we be (hopefully) getting versions of that anyways? I would hope that we get the Accepted testing. I assume Nynaeve and Egwene will go to Accepted right away in S2 so they need to go through the rings.
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Gully Foyle posted:I think that was just an old sign post with old tongue writing on it, not a portal stone. CainFortea posted:I don't think that was a portal stone. It has the same script that the other road sign stones had Ah okay, my bad.
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Dingleberry2 posted:Actually, shouldn't we be (hopefully) getting versions of that anyways? I would hope that we get the Accepted testing. I assume Nynaeve and Egwene will go to Accepted right away in S2 so they need to go through the rings. I hope they keep Nyneave telling Egwene and Elayne that they will make the Aes Sedai "pay our price" for putting them through that test.
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silvergoose posted:They built a big ways set, they'll probably keep it for the journey back to the two rivers in book 4. 
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Dingleberry2 posted:How would you do it though? Lets take episode 5 since lots of people are griping about Stepin's 15 minutes of fame.
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Dingleberry2 posted:How would you do it though? Lets take episode 5 since lots of people are griping about Stepin's 15 minutes of fame. Oh, this slipped my mind, but they had Egwene's braid being undone as part of the whitecloaks violating her, and it's a shame/bad to miss her immediately (3 days, but still bailing on years of Emonds Field culture to emulate her new faction. At least she added on a Tinkers vestment thingamabob while Perrin remains in the same outfit.
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They show 5 stills from episode 7 at the end of this weeks episode of Inside the Wheel of Time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izxrL5RN1tk&t=1484s It looks like they get attacked by something in The Ways 
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regulargonzalez posted:Fwiw, The OA is rife with this. If I could have one more season of any cancelled show, The OA would be tied with Party Down for what show I'd pick. I hate it when people bring up The OA. Because then I remember how disappointed I was they didn’t give it a third season.
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regulargonzalez posted:Fwiw, The OA is rife with this. If I could have one more season of any cancelled show, The OA would be tied with Party Down for what show I'd pick. The dancing robotsis one of my favourite reveals in TV, for how it just completly upends how you think things work and what the show is gonna be about. It's brilliant. It's also so completly batshit and nonsensical that I almost don't need spoiler tags.
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El Grillo posted:I dunno, he is all right. He is the only reason they make it to Caemlyn, Matt is super hosed up by the time they get there and Rand has some pretty intense scenes with him trying him that they're not going to die and even if they are he's not going to just give up, sit around and wait for the Fade. It's quite good reading. I also like that he gets very homesick at certain points, kind of grounds the character a lot. That is because GOT relies on character dynamics to tell a "history/fantasy" story. That's the strength of GOT, it's fantasy for people who are embarrassed by fantasy, and for fantasy fans who wanted "real and gritty". WOT's strength is the story, as well as great characters. the show is distilling the greatness into a visual medium. At the end of the day, WOT is a stronger story with a lot more text to pull the best elements from, to create the best visual version of that story for a new/old audience. None of their changes so far have fundamentally altered what makes that story great. Splitting the dragon soul into five or four would be the first major change that I would strongly disagree with. I think we'll know by the end of this week if they've done that. and random but awesome. https://twitter.com/MeRavingMad/status/1470796639145127937?s=20
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LionArcher posted:None of their changes so far have fundamentally altered what makes that story great. Splitting the dragon soul into five or four would be the first major change that I would strongly disagree with. I think we'll know by the end of this week if they've done that. they're not
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