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Johnny Joestar posted:having it revealed that rand was the one who blasted away the trolloc in the ways was neat, i didn't expect that That mofo has been channeling all season and suspecting he was the DR. The ironwood door in Breens Spring, the trolloc in the ways and all this time he's had Tam's fever ramblings from winternight in his head too. Of course he needs to step up and out himself before all the E5 gets dragged to the Eye.
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Ok so from the dozen+ answers so far to the 'what was the design of the Ways reminiscent of in other media' question, I think I basically got the answer 'everything', lol. Thanks all. Still would've preferred them to do a cool Escher type thing :/ Then you could have a re-enactment of the silly push egwene off a cliff scene from Ep 1, except this time Nynaeve instead of saying whatever she said before just says 'paradox' and goes off to fight someone on a ceiling  Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:man if the dialogue is going to be this bad then you might as well just take it from the books Hollismason posted:Oh poo poo just got to the chapter of Knife of Dreams where Mat reads Thom's letter from Moraine and poo poo just got real. (keep posting) The Lord Bude posted:They should have kept this, it's so much better. exmarx posted:machin shin... it means 'imposter syndrome' in the old tongue
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I really hope they don't do my girl Faile dirty and cut her out. I've no idea how that would even work with Perrin and Egwene's storiesHollismason posted:Rand declaring himself the Dragon Reborn is way different than in the books where he's super reluctant to embrace the identity. I kind of wonder if he'll fully embrace being the Dragon Reborn so quickly because in the books he kind of didn't until The Dragon Reborn and we never see that thought process just him running. I think he's so chill with it now cause he thinks all he needs to do is sneak off in the night, go to the Eye, channel some poo poo or whatever and job's a good'un. He's not thinking about the long haul and he's not processed the 'the whole world will hate me' thing. I imagine Rand's attitude will be very different next season as it really starts to sink in Atlas Hugged posted:I had the same thought, but the line from Lan about having nothing to die for before Moiraine was rubbing me wrong. It could be explained next episode that Moiraine gave him purpose in fighting the Shadow and so he can have his revenge and serve a greater purpose at the same time rather than just throwing his life away. Yeah the way I took it wasn't Lan saying he didn't have a death wish, but that before Moiraine he was just going to end up dying for no reason but now he knows his death will have meaning and value Every goddam time
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Rarity posted:I think he's so chill with it now cause he thinks all he needs to do is sneak off in the night, go to the Eye, channel some poo poo or whatever and job's a good'un. He's not thinking about the long haul and he's not processed the 'the whole world will hate me' thing. I imagine Rand's attitude will be very different next season as it really starts to sink in He comes out of the conversation with Min convinced he's going to die at the Eye.
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I wasn't clear as to why there was the whole melodramatic YOU'RE ALL GONNA DIE AT THE EYE YO thing Moiraine was saying. Was that some info she explicitly received from elsewhere? It was very weirdly put. Why on
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She's assuming the last battle is about to happen between the dragon and the dark one, and anyone else there is hosed It's not an unreasonable assumption.
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its HIM posted:There’s been a dozen examples so far, I’ll add Lucifer. I'll add another. The caves in Scotland in Uncharted 4
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silvergoose posted:She's assuming the last battle is about to happen between the dragon and the dark one, and anyone else there is hosed Rand thought Ishi was the DO for however long and Moiraine, unreliable narrator that she is, is making the same assumption.
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Hexel posted:Rand thought Ishi was the DO for however long and Moiraine, unreliable narrator that she is, is making the same assumption. Yeah exactly. I have no problem with her not knowing but declaring things as fact, every single aes sedai does that poo poo all the time.
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Hexel posted:Rand thought Ishi was the DO for however long and Moiraine, unreliable narrator that she is, is making the same assumption. This is something that happens in the books too at this point. She interviews Fain and he talks about Ba'alzamon appearing in person but not being fully solid. This makes her say that the dark one is able to manifest in the world after only barely being able to touch it three years ago .
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Hollismason posted:Rand declaring himself the Dragon Reborn is way different than in the books where he's super reluctant to embrace the identity. I kind of wonder if he'll fully embrace being the Dragon Reborn so quickly because in the books he kind of didn't until The Dragon Reborn and we never see that thought process just him running. It's driven from a very different place. If you told Rand in Book 1 that anyone who wasn't the Dragon would die if they went to the Eye of the World, especially Egwene, and he had even the slightest inkling he was the Dragon, he'd go. Hell he'd probably go even if he didn't think he was the Dragon to keep her safe. El Grillo posted:I wasn't clear as to why there was the whole melodramatic YOU'RE ALL GONNA DIE AT THE EYE YO thing Moiraine was saying. Was that some info she explicitly received from elsewhere? It was very weirdly put. Why on From the scene, it looked like to Moraine that they were going to decide not to go out of stubbornness because they thought she was fooling them. So she came out with the exact truth to throw them off.
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I enjoyed that episode quite a bit. A lot of business to write Mat out, but it mostly worked. I get the complaints about the love triangle/CW stuff, though I'm still engaged here. I like the big picture of this show but feel like it's not as strong as it could be on a scene-by-scene basis. Min is not the character I had in my head but she's good. I'm hoping they lean into Rand getting weird and paranoid pretty quickly after this season because otherwise he's too boring, even if that was deliberate. Kind of weird that Loial just disappeared when they got to Fal Dara. More and more people are saying there should be more Loial. People trying tactic realism the cold open must hate fun.
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Omnomnomnivore posted:More and more people are saying there should be more Loial. 
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Omnomnomnivore posted:I'm hoping they lean into Rand getting weird and paranoid pretty quickly after this season because otherwise he's too boring, even if that was deliberate. Conversely I hope its built up slowly over time. He should be moderately paranoid at the end of season 2, and become somewhat estranged to Egwene. Season 3 we should see the paranoia have a bit of madness to it, and him to start to move beyond Egwene. Season 4 is where we should meet Lews Therin and get the box, and Season 5 is where the madness gets bad, and in Season 6 Saidin gets purified but Rand starts slipping into Darth Rand. Season 7 is Darth Rand, and Season 8 is Jesus Rand.
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Where was that post about the WoT being a soap opera? I feel like we need to repost it.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:When Loial isn't on screen the other characters should ask "where's Loial?" This, but then they meet in the library and have cake
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Goofballs posted:What I loved about that was Egwene assuming she did it. Oh, Egwene. Ahaha. Like when Suian talked about the most powerful Aes Sedei in 1000 years but meant Nynaeve
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CainFortea posted:Where was that post about the WoT being a soap opera? I feel like we need to repost it. The books or the show? Because yes
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"I waited an hour for you to apologize" is 1000% a woman written by Robert Jordan.
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to be fair to egwene i think she mainly assumed she did it due to not having real training and panicking while also having no reason to think rand was going to dash in and reflexively do it with lews therin magic
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There's a massive fuckin' spoiler right in the show's own credits, identifying that the character Magdalena Sittova plays is actually Tigraine Mantear. Rand's Andoran heritage is a later reveal, dammit!
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Unless you're googling the character it's not a spoiler when there's no context or even a name given in the episode.
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Omnomnomnivore posted:"I waited an hour for you to apologize" is 1000% a woman written by Robert Jordan. Idk it seems pretty normal behaviour to me.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Idk it seems pretty normal behaviour to me. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've gotten that direct line from my mother at some point.
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Natural 20 posted:From the scene, it looked like to Moraine that they were going to decide not to go out of stubbornness because they thought she was fooling them. So she came out with the exact truth to throw them off. silvergoose posted:She's assuming the last battle is about to happen between the dragon and the dark one, and anyone else there is hosed Meh. Someone else commented on it upthread so I thought I'd ask. It's not important, I just wondered whether maybe Siuan had told her from the premonition that everyone non-dragon would get dead, or something like that, to explain the oddity. I will chalk it up as another odd choice they made in a scene.
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RC Cola posted:Ahaha. Like when Suian talked about the most powerful Aes Sedei in 1000 years but meant Nynaeve It also works really well for the future when she starts to come into her own and actually can do some incredibly impressive poo poo - not least becoming the actual Amyrlin. This episode was great. Of course the fighting in the cold open was overblown, but it's no worse or sillier than the Witcher, it was stylish, solidly choreographed, and shows just how badass Aiel are, even if Tigraine is only adopted. Also why you do not go into a fight with a cloak on. Cloaks snag or can be used against you. If you have a cloak, get rid of it, or use it off-hand to parry/distract. The Ways: Good. Very good. I like the aesthetic they came up with. Wish we could have seen more of the vastness of the place, but what we got was good. A little sad the demented rantings of Machin Shin wasn't included, but the route they did go worked well, and in some ways even better. That thing will find and use your fears and insecurities and shame against you. Also, Loial. Oh, Loial. And drat, Fain. Fal Dara was really good, I thought. Design-wise, someone's been doing their homework, given the bastions clearly visible. It sold the idea of fortress that is also a city convincingly. Uno was pretty much perfect. Agelmar's characterization was... off, yeah. If anyone would be falling over themselves to be polite to and welcoming of an Aes Sedai ( not to mention Lan ), it should be him, but I can roll with it. Also, Fain being a cocky motherfucker and strolling right past Perrin and Nyneave in the street. I like Min. On first watch I was real skeptical of the whole EF4 falling out and Perrin/Egwene, but... on second watching, it works. I get why it's there, and while I kind of wish they would have found something else than Perrin carrying a torch for Egwene, it actually does let Perrin get a bit of a meatier plot with Faile, if it's also about how he needs to let go of Egwene along with his guilt over kiling Laila. Also, they're all tired, cranky, have been thoroughly traumatized, traveled against their will through half of Creation, gone through the loving Ways complete with psychological abuse, and told that one of them is going to live and the others end up dead if they go to the Eye, so... yeah, fair dues. I'd be on edge and lash out too, most likely. Lan and Nynaeve romance-plot... Again, I can see why they changed it around, and am generally supportive. When they made this thing, I don't think they knew they'd be getting a second season, plus there was Covid shenanigans and uncertainty. I makes sense to get as many plotlines out in the open as possible. The 'will they, won't they' works in the books, but on TV, especially if they can't be sure of renewal, they need to offer some resolution, and this works admirably. I know that apparently Lan being 'softer' in the series is a big issue for some people, but the fact that he checks in on other Malkieri and obviously cares about them is a great way of showing why everyone is so liberally throwing around "Dai Shan"; He's the kind of prince that people would want to follow. Which, again, is going to be important later. The reveal of Rand being the Dragon is hugely different from the books - of course - but also works well with how the story's been adapted for possibly-just-one-season-of-TV. As nice as the declaration with Callandor in the heart of the Stone would have been, it makes sense to do the reveal now, and given Rand's character and where he is in this telling of the story? It all hangs together very sensibly. Unlike a lot of others, apparently, I thought the jagged flashback worked really well. Especially with how Rand's archery had markedly improved with each memory and reveal. And finally... the Blight. I did not expect... that. But, again, it works. It's obviously unnatural, twisted, creepy, and... yeah. It looks disgusting, corrupted, and alien. All we need now is more Loial. And Fain. And Min. And a couple more episodes per season and ten seasons, because the story needs a bit more room to breathe.
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Softening up Lan's character seems like an intentional choice to modernise the story with an example of positivity masculinity and I'm completely here for itCainFortea posted:Where was that post about the WoT being a soap opera? I feel like we need to repost it. Rarity posted:I mean Wheel of Time basically is a soap opera: I warned you about love triangles bro!
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Omnomnomnivore posted:"I waited an hour for you to apologize" is 1000% a woman written by Robert Jordan. Straight up this has happened between my wife and I before when we had an argument and both stormed angrily to other room. Then like 2 hours later while we made dinner we discussed how childish we were being and apologized. Both of us thought we were right and waited for the other to apologize. People get pig headed when they think they are right But we are in our 30s and aren't 20 on a quest to save the world where a force of evil just spit our deepest fears into our ears.
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Rarity posted:Softening up Lan's character seems like an intentional choice to modernise the story with an example of positivity masculinity and I'm completely here for it Seconding this, and also to add that the core of the character is still very much there. He's drily witty ( his "hadn't noticed" sounded really dry and a touch sarcy to me, at least ), an outstanding warrior, a man of conviction, honor, and caring... And most importantly, it's not hidden behind an exterior that has all the expressiveness of a slab of loving granite. Like, yes, I get that he's described as putting up this immovable, stoic facade in the books, until we get to peek inside his head. Which we can't do on television. It works in the books. It's really cool... in the books. Can't do it on TV. So yeah, 'softening' him was the right choice, because holy gently caress he would have been terrible if done 1-for-1 from the books.
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Imagine Lan's actor interrupting Moiraine mid speech to just say "nothing matters, we all will die someday" or some poo poo. That could work and be hilarious. Just make Lan a C-Spam poster
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RC Cola posted:Ahaha. Like when Suian talked about the most powerful Aes Sedei in 1000 years but meant Nynaeve One of the best single moments lol. From  to  an instant (dang those don't show up well with Dark Theme enabled)
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Sab669 posted:One of the best single moments lol. From Agreed. I can't wait for Egwene to find out that it was Rand who blasted the Trolloc. "OK, show of hands - who here can't channel?"
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I didn't know I needed Uno being Tigraine's agent today but there it is https://twitter.com/robertsguy/status/1471880650785447940
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RC Cola posted:Imagine Lan's actor interrupting Moiraine mid speech to just say "nothing matters, we all will die someday" or some poo poo. That could work and be hilarious. Just make Lan a C-Spam poster Moiraine: We need to go to the Eye of the World, Rand. There you will confront The Dark One for the final time. Rand: I am so torn between my love of my friends and Egwene and needing to do the right thing for the world. Perhaps it is my destiny. Lan: Brunch libs, blue maga, Marxism, lmao.
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How are u posted:Moiraine: We need to go to the Eye of the World, Rand. There you will confront The Dark One for the final time. poo poo now I need to figure out what sub forum all of our main characters would hang out in
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