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CuriousSymptoms posted:If Rand turns to the Dark Side, all Min's visions are null and void. I can't imagine Min was meant to be thinking 'you know how all my visions come true? maybe the Pattern will unravel so nevermind.' I think it was just bad writing. I think a perfect adaptation was clearly impossible, but I don't think this is the best possible adaptation. Amazon did the show dirty with an eight episode season (which I imagine even they regret now that it's such a huge hit for them), and imo the writers are probably changing more than they absolutely had to. And honestly even if it is the best adaptation we could get, that doesn't mean it has to be good--maybe everyone who said the books were unadaptable was just right. I don't think it's quite that dire, but I have a hard time saying it's very good right now. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Dec 25, 2021 |
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Tired: seeding the season with prophecies and ominous portentous foretellings about what will happen in the finale, and then having them come true in a way that you weren't expecting Wired: seeding the season with prophecies and ominous portentous foretellings about what will happen in the finale, and then just going "lol. lmao"
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Dec 25, 2021 15:40
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I don't feel super great about this show after this season, but I'll give it this, it's about 3000x better than the Foundation series.
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Dec 25, 2021 15:51
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Data Graham posted:Why did they act/talk like the yin-yang symbol on the floor (the first time we’ve seen the whole thing intact this whole season) was “the Eye”? I thought that was the pin the ashaman "earn" in the black tower or whatever. But yea I didn't think that would have been a thing back then. Could just meant as a fun little Easter egg for readers that ends up triggering them instead
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Dec 25, 2021 15:52
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Sab669 posted:I thought that was the pin the ashaman "earn" in the black tower or whatever. But yea I didn't think that would have been a thing back then. I mean the Dragon is literally LTT's personal symbol. He has a banner and everything. Why is a dragon shaped lapel decoration odd?
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Dec 25, 2021 15:54
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Probably LTT doesn't consider himself to be a common Aes Sedai but something more.
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Why was LTT the Dragon Reborn as well? Shouldn't he just be the Dragon. Also didn't Ishamial say "LTT and his 99 companions" during his temptation of Rand? Why the removal of one companion? What is the point of that?"
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Dec 25, 2021 15:59
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Nitrousoxide posted:Why was LTT the Dragon Reborn as well? Shouldn't he just be the Dragon. Also why is Latra the Tamyrlin now? I assume these aren't characters we'll be seeing a whole lot, so making small changes like these just because, even if they ultimately don't matter much, shows a bigger disregard for the source material imo.
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Possible Elaida news from an interview with Judkins about season 2Rafe Judkins posted:I think that there are two characters whose names both start with ‘El’ that I am very excited for audiences to meet in season 2 that they might have been wanting to see in season 1. And one of them we’ve already announced I think https://decider.com/2021/12/24/the-wheel-of-time-season-2-on-amazon-prime-video-release-date-elayne-elaida-casting/ Elayne was announced at New York Comic Con. I suppose there's another "El" character in Elyas 
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Nitrousoxide posted:Why was LTT the Dragon Reborn as well? Shouldn't he just be the Dragon Where is the beginning or end on a wheel? Why does anyone think LTT is the first dragon? Or is he merely the only one they have records of? Rand has Herid Fel conversations in Lord of Chaos dealing with this.
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I’m betting on Elyas. They need someone to explain Perrin’s poo poo and Liandrin can do Elaida’s part.
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Hexel posted:Where is the beginning or end on a wheel? Why does anyone think LTT is the first dragon? Or is he merely the only one they have records of? Rand has Herid Fel conversations in Lord of Chaos dealing with this. It's a title he earned during the Age of Legends. Of course there were Dragons in previous turnings, but nobody should remember them, and it's just another idiotic change for the show because either they don't understand the series or assume people watching won't. Edit: Maybe this explains why the season fell off? mistborn is Brandon Sanderson. mistborn 72 points · 5 days ago I'm trying, but it's been a tough few weeks for finding time for that, and the further from them we get the less likely I am to comment. In addition, I had a lot less influence over the latter episodes than I did over the early episodes. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Dec 25, 2021 |
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Dec 25, 2021 16:20
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Gully Foyle posted:I mean the Dragon is literally LTT's personal symbol. He has a banner and everything. Why is a dragon shaped lapel decoration odd? Fair point lol. Does Rand wear a pin? If not that's why it struck me as odd. Seemed like a thing for TDR's followers to do, not for him himself Sab669 fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Dec 25, 2021 |
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Dec 25, 2021 16:24
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Sab669 posted:Fair point lol. Well Rand does have the dragon tattoos.
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Gully Foyle posted:I mean the Dragon is literally LTT's personal symbol. He has a banner and everything. Why is a dragon shaped lapel decoration odd? I guess, but one of the biggest and most iconic things about the EotW prologue was the Aes Sedai yin-yang pin he was wearing during the whole poo poo-going-down time. If they were going to make a big deal about his pin during the show's equivalent flashback scene that establishes the AoL, it's super weird to not use that symbol but something else, especially since that very symbol plays an important part in the rest of the episode and they explain it wrong It's just baffling. Either I'm too stupid to understand what they're trying to pull off or
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Sinteres posted:Well Rand does have the dragon tattoos. Tattoos are cool, lapel pins aren't 
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Honestly I'm starting to doubt if they'll even have saidar and saidin as distinct things in the show, and think the little shorts might be unrelated to show canon/have different production timelines. Ishamael telling Rand how to channel didn't sound much like saidin.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Why was LTT the Dragon Reborn as well? Shouldn't he just be the Dragon.
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I cannot fathom thinking any of those details matter at all.
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silvergoose posted:I cannot fathom thinking any of those details matter at all. So why change them? Like I said in an earlier post, a lot of these are small changes that don't matter a whole lot, but it shows a fundamental lack of either care or understanding for the source material, which doesn't seem promising.
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Sinteres posted:So why change them? Like I said in an earlier post, a lot of these are small changes that don't matter a whole lot, but it shows a fundamental lack of either care or understanding for the source material, which doesn't seem promising. Or they're doing it for specific reasons unknown to us. From interviews I've seen, the showrunner absolutely cares and understands the books.
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silvergoose posted:I cannot fathom thinking any of those details matter at all. I mean I don’t really care about the 100 companions. Just seems like a weird arbitrary change that makes the line more awkward. What sounds better, LTT and his 100 companions or LTT and his 99 companions. Just like how you will round up prices to the nearest dollar, you’d just round that up. Only reason I could see for the change is them wanting the sa’angreal which was said to be able to let you channel 100 more of the one power to literally exactly equal the amount of the 100 companions. This still isn’t right though since it’s not like the average power of the 100 companions is equal to LTT/Rand. It’d obviously be less since LTT was the most powerful channeler.
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Didn't seem awkward to me.
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Sinteres posted:Honestly I'm starting to doubt if they'll even have saidar and saidin as distinct things in the show, and think the little shorts might be unrelated to show canon/have different production timelines. Ishamael telling Rand how to channel didn't sound much like saidin. They specifically used the word "saidin" in this episode. It was during the AoL so if you just ignored everything they said to read subtitles I guess I could understand. They used a bunch of worlds we knew from the show and books.
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The way Ishamial described how to channel was more like Saidin however.
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Neither of those sound awkward And if you include LTT in the head count with his battle buddies then it's an even 100 Is 101 Dalmatians a weird movie title? Should it have been a flat 100? Weird thing to change I guess, yea, but an even weirder thing to get hung up on IMO. just like the changes to the Oath Rod and the Waygate not being in a Stedding; it matters not
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Gully Foyle posted:I mean the Dragon is literally LTT's personal symbol. He has a banner and everything. Why is a dragon shaped lapel decoration odd? Take a close look at the pin he has in the show. The way it is made, it’s outline is the shape of the dragon’s fang symbol. That has to be 100% intentional on the part of the production designers. Related: I wasn’t in the thread when the episode came out, but did we discuss that in the episode where Nynaeve kills the trolloc in the pool, the blood that rises to the surface forms the shape of the dragons fang? Just noticed it on rewatch. I’m guessing that shape has been in the background in a few other instances in the show. Here is a stupid pic of it I found showing the outline. 
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My favorite thing about those x-ray character bios is how most of them (including LTT) say “Talent: Channeling” Lol I’m gonna go to college and major in “doing homework”
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tylertfb posted:Take a close look at the pin he has in the show. The way it is made, it’s outline is the shape of the dragon’s fang symbol. That has to be 100% intentional on the part of the production designers. When Lan finds all the corpses in Ep1 they're arranged in a Fang, and yea Nynaeve in the pool, and Suian's flash back. And it was on the floor in the eye. I think that's all of its appearances.
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99 is one less character than 100, this is important for tweets. I honestly think that is the reason they changed it.
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Sab669 posted:When Lan finds all the corpses in Ep1 they're arranged in a Fang, and yea Nynaeve in the pool, and Suian's flash back. And it was on the floor in the eye. I think that's all of its appearances. The floor in the Eye has the full yinyang I think
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Skyl3lazer posted:The floor in the Eye has the full yinyang I think Yes it does, and Rand refers to the symbol as "the Eye" which is 
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Nitrousoxide posted:The way Ishamial described how to channel was more like Saidin however. Sounded like the flame and the void to me, at least at the beginning.
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Nitrousoxide posted:I think 7 was a lot worse than 8. The whole Dragon reveal was really awful and not earned at all. There's no way they could have made Rand do enough evil and terrible things to earn being the dragon in one season.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, quote this post by midnight Christmas EST if you want this gangtag added to your profile: Woot.
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Finally getting around to watching. Maybe I'm crazy but I absolutely do not remember in the books anyone predicting that sealing the dark one would taint saidin prior to creating the seals. Also in his time I thought LTT was the dragon, not the dragon reborn
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Yea that wasn't how I remembered the EOTW prelude at all. I just started the audio book for it since the show started and for some reason it didn't include the prelude 
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Sab669 posted:Yea that wasn't how I remembered the EOTW prelude at all. It’s not. EotW started with Ishy taunting LTT over family bodies after the sealing. Cold Open I think comes from supplemental material not even in the books.
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Intruder posted:Finally getting around to watching. Maybe I'm crazy but I absolutely do not remember in the books anyone predicting that sealing the dark one would taint saidin prior to creating the seals. Also in his time I thought LTT was the dragon, not the dragon reborn I feel like that's a product of them overthinking/overcorrecting some of the gender stuff from the books. Like there were two sides of the argument before, 'LTT's plan was absolutely necessary and might have succeeded without the backlash if those drat women hadn't been so stubborn' vs 'those crazy men went off half cocked with a reckless plan and saidar would have been tainted too if the women had gone,' and the showrunners basically just had Latra  by predicting what would happen, while also making her rather than LTT Tamyrlin.
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Intruder posted:Finally getting around to watching. Maybe I'm crazy but I absolutely do not remember in the books anyone predicting that sealing the dark one would taint saidin prior to creating the seals. They just said that they wanted to build a cage around the bore, until a safe method of actually sealing the bore was found. I don't think they ever go into why exactly they think that LTT's method was unsafe.
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