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Hexel posted:That reminds me: why the hell did Lan’s bond pass to Myrelle if Moiraine did not die? Was it because she went “off world”? I always just assumed she passed it, like Myrelle later does too Nynaeve. And Egwene just casually releases What's her name Shipless just prior to her goku death with Taim. It seems like an easily passable thing. Edit but the one Semihrage tortured never released her bond so who knows. BigHead fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Feb 5, 2022 |
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BigHead posted:I always just assumed she passed it, like Myrelle later does too Nynaeve. And Egwene just casually releases What's her name Shipless just prior to her goku death with Taim. It seems like an easily passable thing. Had she not passed it that would be a nice way of signalling: hey guys I’m not dead please look for me. But then again she had visions of all of this poo poo didn’t she. Did she know she would be held captive and drained by the fox dudes for however long?
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BigHead posted:I always just assumed she passed it, like Myrelle later does too Nynaeve. And Egwene just casually releases What's her name Shipless just prior to her goku death with Taim. It seems like an easily passable thing. I'm pretty sure that her passing the bond would have come up in her PoV. I always assumed the dimensional connection through the doorway being severed also broke the bond in the same way her death would have. Leilwin didn't have the "suicide by combat" effect hit her when Egwene passes the bond, but Lan specifically does. How the bond shifted to Myrelle, who wasn't within a hundred miles of the event, is never really explained either way so that part never really made sense to me.
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BigHead posted:I always just assumed she passed it, like Myrelle later does too Nynaeve. And Egwene just casually releases What's her name Shipless just prior to her goku death with Taim. It seems like an easily passable thing. Cabriana Mecandes
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Hexel posted:Had she not passed it that would be a nice way of signalling: hey guys I’m not dead please look for me. Yes she did, Mat specifically notes that she knew what was coming and did it anyway, and that maybe she's the real hero
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Yes she did, Mat specifically notes that she knew what was coming and did it anyway, and that maybe she's the real hero Moiraines a total legend. Between this and the fact that she takes on like 4 different forsaken who are wildly stronger than her and she takes out of 2 of those. When she realizes her methods of dealing with Rand aren't working she dumps her ego for the cause, which basically nobody else does. They had to lock her up in a parallel dimension or she'd probably have just gone to Shayol Ghul and won TG before Rand even got his poo poo together.
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The maidens just kicked Rand in the balls and beat his rear end down in front of Min 
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Don't forget that she and Thom are going to be ruling the world in very short order.
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CainsDescendant posted:How the bond shifted to Myrelle, who wasn't within a hundred miles of the event, is never really explained either way so that part never really made sense to me. It's explained by her telling Lan it was going to happen beforehand because she altered the bond so it would pass instead of breaking. If you mean the logistics of why Myrelle didn't need to be nearby or why the doorframe burning would break the bond, there's no good answer. It's a magic spell that a wizard casts, it works how the plot needs it to.
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Gambor posted:It's explained by her telling Lan it was going to happen beforehand because she altered the bond so it would pass instead of breaking. Yeah I meant that the whole conditional nature of the bond passing, both recognizing the bond snapping and creating a new bond with someone across the continent, doesn't really jive with my understanding of how the magic usually works in the series. It's the same deal with how some Aes Sedai 3,000 years ago apparently keyed the barrier around Callandor specifically to Rand's genetic code or something. "A wizard did it" is fine by me, though. I just like thinking about the weirder examples of the use of the OP in the series and thinking about how they could be explained.
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Wasn't a big thing about Alanna was that she released the bond voluntarily before she died? I imagine Moiraine could do the same especially if she set up the passing to myrelle ahead of time
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Now entering the “Galina as da’tsang” plotline, I forget if it goes anywhere or if it’s just meant to give the reader a sense of revenge after Rand in The Chest
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goethe.cx posted:Now entering the “Galina as da’tsang” plotline, I forget if it goes anywhere or if it’s just meant to give the reader a sense of revenge after Rand in The Chest It leads in to the Faile Getting Captured plotline. So, no, it does not go anywhere.
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I'm in book nine and I can't remember a single darkfriend Aiel. Is this right? I know they mention the existence of "Shadow runners" but it seems like they are remarkably great at purging them from ever harming Rand. Especially compared to the wetlanders. I guess they are just the superior culture for this age in combating the shadow?
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There's the Maiden that Mat hooks up with who tries to kill him.
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Nitrousoxide posted:I'm in book nine and I can't remember a single darkfriend Aiel. Is this right? I know they mention the existence of "Shadow runners" but it seems like they are remarkably great at purging them from ever harming Rand. Especially compared to the wetlanders. Mat's maiden of the spear girlfriend turned out to be a darkfriend
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The Ninth Layer posted:There's the Maiden that Mat hooks up with who tries to kill him. Ah, well only 1 that wasn't culled is still a really good rate compared to everyone else.
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I suggest you Read And Find OutTM
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Sevanna could probably be considered darkfriend adjacent.
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Sevanna's just an rear end in a top hat. I suspect that the revelation of Rhuidean killed a large percentage of darkfriends and would-be darkfriends who tried to become Wise Ones and clan chiefs -- if you were in it just for the power, you probably didn't have the mental fortitude to take a shock to the system like that. And without the top-down recruitment, there just probably wasn't as much of a drive to install darkfriends in positions to be useful to the last battle. Unlike the Aes Sedai, who accidentally built a Darkfriend training ground in the White Tower. There were probably some lovely Darkfriend roof-mistresses and blacksmiths that we just never got a chance to see. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Feb 5, 2022 |
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Hexel posted:Sevanna could probably be considered darkfriend adjacent. I mean she's getting played by a Forsaken, but then so are a bunch of people. That doesn't mean she's a darkfriend. She's even holding darkfriends (black ajah) as da’tsang. Her POV's never show her as wanting the Shadow to succeed and she doesn't have any awareness that she's working with a Forskaen.
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Is the Dark One even something the Aiel think about much or care about? They follow Rand because he's prophecies to lead their people but are otherwise indifferent about his role in the Last Battle. I'm trying to remember if they have any euphemistic names they use to refer to the shadow.
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The Ninth Layer posted:Is the Dark One even something the Aiel think about much or care about? They follow Rand because he's prophecies to lead their people but are otherwise indifferent about his role in the Last Battle. I'm trying to remember if they have any euphemistic names they use to refer to the shadow. They talk about him quite a lot, they call him "Sightblinder" or "Leafblighter" Edit: honestly the bigger shock to me is that Suroth says that darkfriend Sul'dam are an extreme rarity
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The Ninth Layer posted:Is the Dark One even something the Aiel think about much or care about? They follow Rand because he's prophecies to lead their people but are otherwise indifferent about his role in the Last Battle. I'm trying to remember if they have any euphemistic names they use to refer to the shadow. Shadow Souled for darkfriends. I think the Dark One is called "Shadow Runner"? Or maybe that's another name for dark friends. Edit: ah, yeah "Sightblinder" or "Leafblighter" Men who can channel go off to the blight to fight the dark one before they go crazy.
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Shadowrunners are darkfriends, shadowsouled are the forsaken.
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Ah yeah all that is coming back to me now.
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I'm of the opinion that Mesaana is the most effective forsaken. Aside from the brute force poo poo Demandred does in the Last Battle, Mesaana has completely splintered the Aes Sedai in the White Tower and turned them against each other. I can't remember how much Egwene is able to turn it around once Elaida gets carried off but at this point in PoD, the White Tower is hosed.
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It’s funny they just sent male channelers off on their own and never once thought about maybe sending someone to check they actually go to die.
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Invalid Validation posted:It’s funny they just sent make channelers off on their own and never once thought about maybe sending someone to check they actually go to die. The male channelers would never have incurred that incredible toh.
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Hexel posted:I'm of the opinion that Mesaana is the most effective forsaken. Aside from the brute force poo poo Demandred does in the Last Battle, Mesaana has completely splintered the Aes Sedai in the White Tower and turned them against each other. It's not really clear if Mesaana was behind the initial tower split, or if that was mostly Elaida and Mesaana just worked to exacerbate it. Mesaana is definitely the one who prevented the heads of the non-Red ajahs from quietly knitting it back together, which would have happened eventually given they had preemptively coopted the Salidar sitters.
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Ishamael wasn't actively directing the blacks really, because he wasn't out of prison until a few years before the series opened. He executed the head of the BA because they'd instigated the "vileness" of hunting down and killing any man that might be able to channel after they learned that the dragon has been reborn. The dark one wanted to turn the dragon, not kill him, so the blacks were in deep poo poo.
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goethe.cx posted:Now entering the “Galina as da’tsang” plotline, I forget if it goes anywhere or if it’s just meant to give the reader a sense of revenge after Rand in The Chest Honestly I read the end of that plotline as weird torture porn. Not a whole lot in the series made me uncomfortable to read, but her last scene where she's a mind controlled torture slave to Thevara gives me actual heebie jeebies. It's up there with that one plot line in Malazan, if you know which one I'm talking about then you know which one I'm talking about. I really hope that if the show rolls Galina, Liandrin and/or Alvirian together as one character, they use the other plot lines to kill Liandrin off. BigHead fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Feb 5, 2022 |
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:A lot of that is Ishamael. Ishy is the one who was seeding Black Ajah in the tower for centuries, although apparently the Aes Sedai were doing a pretty good job of splintering the tower on their own, given that he has to execute the head of the Black Ajah when he pops out around the time Rand was born because the Black Ajah had already wildly overstepped. He's the one who set Alviaran and Galina in their positions. Mesaana basically shows up at bat to find the bases already loaded. I suppose Ishy deserves some credit since he accomplishes a lot off-page or screen by somehow getting out every hundred years or whatever. I just always considered him a Mr. Bean after getting his rear end beat by Rand three times.
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BigHead posted:Honestly I read the end of that plotline as weird torture porn. Not a whole lot in the series made me uncomfortable to read, but her last scene where she's a mind controlled torture slave to Thevara gives me actual heebie jeebies. It's up there with that one plot line in Malazan, if you know which one I'm talking about then you know which one I'm talking about. I completely agree. It's extremely uncomfortable and meant to be so, Jordan very much considered compulsion like that to be vile to the extreme. I'm fine with them leaving it in or removing, but I share your discomfort for sure.
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In terms of personal success, Semirhage and Demandred were both set up incredibly well if they wanted to tap out of the Dark One’s whole thing.
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The Ninth Layer posted:Is the Dark One even something the Aiel think about much or care about? They follow Rand because he's prophecies to lead their people but are otherwise indifferent about his role in the Last Battle. I'm trying to remember if they have any euphemistic names they use to refer to the shadow. I mean, it's literally an Aiel saying to spit in Sightblinder's eye on the Last Day
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Mesaana basically shows up at bat to find the bases already . Lol Mesaana was probably like right how do I gently caress over these morons, wait depose the Amyrlin? Hell yes I'll stand for that. Who wants drinks.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Lol Mesaana was probably like right how do I gently caress over these morons, wait depose the Amyrlin? Hell yes I'll stand for that. Who wants drinks. Danelle wasn't a sitter was she?
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