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Red Baron posted:honestly the best outcome at this point is that a hyper lethal variant emerges, possibly targeting specifically children (5 and under) and the elderly because only the sudden shock of mass death will spur leadership into actual meaningful action this is p. much where i'm at, and i have a two-year-old. :\ no one is going to give a gently caress if it kills more old people, though--we've already decided that any deaths at 70+ are "eh, it was their time" territory, basically. i guess we're just committing to grinding out dozens of thousands of deaths per year (best case scenario), reduced lung function, thrombosis roulette, and maybe doing the whole airborne dementia thing otherwise.
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Bar Crow posted:He could drop dead and
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Morbus posted:You keep saying this, but the fitness landscape of a virus not only can be experimentally explored, but was, and such efforts have broadly predicted the course of SARS-CoV-2 evolution for over a year. That's what makes the lack of any kind of long term planning even more idiotic. Besides--even when the catastrophic delta wave in India gave most of the western world a solid 3-4 month window to form some kind of anticipatory response, what we got instead was masks off, suck-n-gently caress 4th of July, open biden. That wasn't the result of some fundamental epistemological difficulties, it was a result of sheer ignorance, denial, and stupidity. The omicron variant behaves almost identically to the eventual immune escape variants that were predicted since late 2020, based on an exploration of the mutation space. The future evolution of the virus was predicted, with remarkable accuracy! Hence why my thesis on the topic was and remains, "It's a marketing problem." Mind you, the marketing is working as designed. Capital is taking precautions and keeping itself alive while the proles (us) die for their profits. The system works.
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Wrex Ruckus posted:they want to keep him from getting it until 2024, but I do wonder how long they can keep this up Because they want him to run or because they don't want Kamala becoming president before then?
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Thoguh posted:Yeah, I've said it before but I honestly don't know what I'm gonna do if I am able to get my kid vaccinated soon. After that I"m not sure what level I'll be able to keep up without going insane, ending up on the goondivorce.xls spreadsheet, or both. This is our life forever now and no help is coming. I was just about to post like this, what to do after my kid gets vaxxed (and will very soon have to go to preschool)…I’m probably going to open er up when it is warm and be miserable and stay inside when it is cold. Honestly also probably going to look into how much I’d have to strip out of my life to afford a concierge doctor because at some point I’m just hoping for a quick chain from Positive -> mAbs also I almost guarantee Biden has prophylactic Sotrovimab
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At this point I would be content if people would just leave me alone to live as an eccentric hermit while they go back to normal. As long as I can go buy food and booze with a respirator on without being harassed I'm willing to go quietly.
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Red Baron posted:honestly the best outcome at this point is that a hyper lethal variant emerges, possibly targeting specifically children (5 and under) and the elderly because only the sudden shock of mass death will spur leadership into actual meaningful action I don't think it would need to be that bad - look at how much they panicked in January because people were testing positive and isolating. I think a variant that gave a few points higher percentage of working age adults bad enough symptoms to knock them on their rear end for a week or two (so that they can't be forced back to work) would be enough for there to be a more robust response.
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mastershakeman posted:https://twitter.com/GovPritzker/status/1491507244541923329 Also 80% icu capacity is a red alert at any other time lol
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Lacrosse posted:Because they want him to run or because they don't want Kamala becoming president before then? A little of both, I think. As a run, I expect we'll see a Republican kick him out. As a casualty, I don't think they want to risk Kalama loving it up (or, comedy option, succeeding beyond anyone's wildest expectations). McCracAttack posted:At this point I would be content if people would just leave me alone to live as an eccentric hermit while they go back to normal. As long as I can go buy food and booze with a respirator on without being harassed I'm willing to go quietly. Hell yeah. Embrace the lifestyle. I can vouch for it. It's great.
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Insanite posted:this is p. much where i'm at, and i have a two-year-old. :\ no one is going to give a gently caress if it kills more old people, though--we've already decided that any deaths at 70+ are "eh, it was their time" territory, basically. true, it would only be the mass death of children that could possibly do anything which is extremely grim. Long Covid won’t be enough, it’s too slow and we have the attention spans of 24 hours at best. anything that happens on a weeks to months scale won’t be seen as serious (as we saw again and again with the lag between cases, hospitalizations, and deaths) if there is to be a strong response from those in authority it will be borne on the pile of suddenly dead (very young) kids, and it will likely come after some truly ghoulish hand-wringing about “local responses” and “states have the right to determine their pandemic responses”
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FizFashizzle posted:Also 80% icu capacity is a red alert at any other time lol i have been informed by people on the internet that hospitals need their ICUs full at all times in order to make money, actually
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I see it is covid is over season. Its hilarious how astroturfed all this is. Guess the nj gov and the dems backers got the Whitehouse on board at the last minute . Just a pathetic display all around America.
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I keep having an elaborate fantasy where I procure a full face p100 respirator and rig up a speaker and mic so people can hear me speak and with that I am at least able to play in friday night magic again and see friends there... Then I think about how that's an unnecessary risk and the all the ways I could gently caress up and still get infected.
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Warmachine posted:Hell yeah. Embrace the lifestyle. I can vouch for it. It's great. Who knew being a single homebody would turn out to be an advantage in my lifetime?
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Lacrosse posted:Because they want him to run or because they don't want Kamala becoming president before then? IMO literally all they care about is the political and economic fallout from having one Joseph Robinette Biden getting covid and potentially a bad case of covid because covid is over and if it's over how did the president get hosed up by it????? I mean sure Biden himself doesn't want to get covid but the political machinery itself doesn't care about that aspect, just that the economy and opening er up keep on going.
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Thoguh posted:I don't think it would need to be that bad - look at how much they panicked in January because people were testing positive and isolating. I think a variant that gave a few points higher percentage of working age adults bad enough symptoms to knock them on their rear end for a week or two (so that they can't be forced back to work) would be enough for there to be a more robust response. it’s possible, but the whole “we just have to live with it” messaging is making me think that a bigger shock to the system will be needed than just a slow starving of the capital fuel. that may still do it, the establishment is very skittish rn, but knowing how gruesome we are as a culture I worry that we’ll need something along the lines of “multiple sandy hook’s per day” rather than just more 9/11’s
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FizFashizzle posted:Also 80% icu capacity is a red alert at any other time lol Just like our current case and death numbers are a huge red alert compared to the last two years but they are smaller than January so are ignored.
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Insanite posted:i have been informed by people on the internet that hospitals need their ICUs full at all times in order to make money, actually They make us sick (COVID) And suppress our medicine (Cum) So we buy their cure (OPEN BIDEN)
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Need to get serious and figure out how to get access to Sotrovimab+Paxlovid before the inevitable reinfection(s). The rich have identified the treatments as their ticket out of COVID and there must be some way to get in on that. Maybe a well connected concierge doctor? Actually see some advertising in-home Sotrovimab treatments in the NYC area, very bold. However even then it seems you need to be immunocompromised to be eligible, not sure how you can get around that. To be clear don't like discussing how to jump ahead of immunocompromised people in getting life saving treatments. If instead could somehow snatch a dose reserved for a Trump scion that would be optimal. edit: Crazyweasel posted:I was just about to post like this, what to do after my kid gets vaxxed (and will very soon have to go to preschool)…I’m probably going to open er up when it is warm and be miserable and stay inside when it is cold.
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goth smoking cloves posted:I keep having an elaborate fantasy where I procure a full face p100 respirator and rig up a speaker and mic so people can hear me speak and with that I am at least able to play in friday night magic again and see friends there... I've been digging more and more into my nascent modeling hobby, and I'm still enchanted by the idea of 3D printing some cladding for my p100 and maybe doing this voice box thing (with proper sealing and fit testing) to really bedazzle my COVID apocalypse kit.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:https://twitter.com/AlecStapp/status/1491487964978946060?s=20&t=LKjz9P9iaptDx-HHfJkl5A this is bullshit btw. mRNA vaccines had already peaked weeks before the j&j pause, and after an immediate bump of getting mRNAs on already scheduled j&j appointments, they continued their downward trend
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MLK Ultra posted:solid move on the Hot Chip track. I know it's lame semi self-referencing when thread bankrupt, but yeah, that's one Hot Chip. Cheers MLK Ultra, fare thee well.
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Morbus posted:You keep saying this, but the fitness landscape of a virus not only can be experimentally explored, but was, and such efforts have broadly predicted the course of SARS-CoV-2 evolution for over a year. That's what makes the lack of any kind of long term planning even more idiotic. Besides--even when the catastrophic delta wave in India gave most of the western world a solid 3-4 month window to form some kind of anticipatory response, what we got instead was masks off, suck-n-gently caress 4th of July, open biden. That wasn't the result of some fundamental epistemological difficulties, it was a result of sheer ignorance, denial, and stupidity. The omicron variant behaves almost identically to the eventual immune escape variants that were predicted since late 2020, based on an exploration of the mutation space. The future evolution of the virus was predicted, with remarkable accuracy!
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Morbus posted:You keep saying this, but the fitness landscape of a virus not only can be experimentally explored, but was, and such efforts have broadly predicted the course of SARS-CoV-2 evolution for over a year. That's what makes the lack of any kind of long term planning even more idiotic. Besides--even when the catastrophic delta wave in India gave most of the western world a solid 3-4 month window to form some kind of anticipatory response, what we got instead was masks off, suck-n-gently caress 4th of July, open biden. That wasn't the result of some fundamental epistemological difficulties, it was a result of sheer ignorance, denial, and stupidity. The omicron variant behaves almost identically to the eventual immune escape variants that were predicted since late 2020, based on an exploration of the mutation space. The future evolution of the virus was predicted, with remarkable accuracy! actually poo poo doesnt get done bc its not profitable, OP (a good post nonetheless.)
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Strep Vote posted:I don't know if I can ever stop being furious about being forced into a previously solved problem because of the economy. Modern society is a joke. Not even becoming the Joker helped me deal with the fact we live in a society and it’s a bad one. McCracAttack posted:Seeing people I like doing things that seem cruel and heartless has cut me pretty deep in ways that have surprised me. Stuff like visiting with family when they knew they had COVID. It's like they're not the person they thought they were and as I look around almost nobody else is either. I feel the same way. Like I’ve had an unstable life and I’m pretty good at adapting to bad circumstances but it’s one thing when it’s your life that sucks and it’s a whole other when it’s objective reality. I can do the things I need to to try to stay safe and try to stay sane but when it comes to thinking of life 3 months from now or a year from now or 3 years from now or anything in the future I feel completely unmoored from it. Like the future doesn’t really exist anymore and anything I do to prepare for it feels more like ritual than planning. Listening to friends make plans that rely on the assumption that things are just going to get better from here on out just amplifies the feeling. Red Baron posted:true, it would only be the mass death of children that could possibly do anything which is extremely grim. I feel like one of the main lessons to come from this pandemic is people can ignore an infinite amount of dead children and elderly. And disabled people. And fat people, even if they themselves are the fat people. That and anything that doesn’t kill you in the first 72 hours of infection can be dismissed as mild. It’s hard to say what I think would actually result in a strong public health response from authority without getting into really grim scenarios and I don’t want to jinx reality more than it already is.
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Red Baron posted:honestly the best outcome at this point is that a hyper lethal variant emerges, possibly targeting specifically children (5 and under) and the elderly because only the sudden shock of mass death will spur leadership into actual meaningful action the alternative is millions of poor, less than perfectly fit, old, and frankly, non-white people dying while everyone else tilts back mimosas and grumbling about trump supporters
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Trixie Hardcore posted:Not even becoming the Joker helped me deal with the fact we live in a society and it’s a bad one. I figure the US can stand to lose about 100 million people before anyone gives a poo poo. If you're wondering where I got that number from, that's roughly how many people the US grew by since the 1990s, which incidentally happened to the last time anyone outside of the 1% could afford to have a nice life.
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Morbus posted:You keep saying this, but the fitness landscape of a virus not only can be experimentally explored, but was, and such efforts have broadly predicted the course of SARS-CoV-2 evolution for over a year. That's what makes the lack of any kind of long term planning even more idiotic. Besides--even when the catastrophic delta wave in India gave most of the western world a solid 3-4 month window to form some kind of anticipatory response, what we got instead was masks off, suck-n-gently caress 4th of July, open biden. That wasn't the result of some fundamental epistemological difficulties, it was a result of sheer ignorance, denial, and stupidity. The omicron variant behaves almost identically to the eventual immune escape variants that were predicted since late 2020, based on an exploration of the mutation space. The future evolution of the virus was predicted, with remarkable accuracy! I love that at no time in human history have we ever been better prepared to stop a deadly pandemic and the decision arrived at was, "nah, costs too much". I look forward to whatever half assed measures we throw at climate change when it starts to get really noticeable in rich countries.
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Lacrosse posted:I figure the US can stand to lose about 100 million people before anyone gives a poo poo. If you're wondering where I got that number from, that's roughly how many people the US grew by since the 1990s, which incidentally happened to the last time anyone outside of the 1% could afford to have a nice life. holy poo poo I had no idea we picked up 100million people since the mid-90s lol gently caress humans are the real virus am I rite?
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:hosed up but true frankly this is what I expect, and my wish for the sudden and swift strike of mass death is more a wishful “what if” because if I’m honest, in the darkest corner of my heart I think maybe even that might fail. if capital could do away with the proletariat in this country they would do it in a heartbeat or a lifetime, but they would do it.
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Morbus posted:You keep saying this, but the fitness landscape of a virus not only can be experimentally explored, but was, and such efforts have broadly predicted the course of SARS-CoV-2 evolution for over a year. That's what makes the lack of any kind of long term planning even more idiotic. Besides--even when the catastrophic delta wave in India gave most of the western world a solid 3-4 month window to form some kind of anticipatory response, what we got instead was masks off, suck-n-gently caress 4th of July, open biden. That wasn't the result of some fundamental epistemological difficulties, it was a result of sheer ignorance, denial, and stupidity. The omicron variant behaves almost identically to the eventual immune escape variants that were predicted since late 2020, based on an exploration of the mutation space. The future evolution of the virus was predicted, with remarkable accuracy!
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Jizzny Princess posted:https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1491169391051829250  https://twitter.com/KathMLee1/status/1490391720080650246 https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1481683717785624577?t=V9jif5M59y0h_jdbv5PWdA&s=09 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41418-022-00936-x https://bjgplife.com/of-hervs-and-covid-19-questions-for-the-future/ May, 2020 posted:But, beyond a few virologists, who has noticed that the spike protein of Sars-Cov-2, against which teams are competing to develop a vaccine, is highly homologous with a human HERV protein, syncytin-1.(4) What, indeed, are HERV proteins? What are HERVs? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envelope_glycoprotein_GP120 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncytin-1    only your respirator trust 
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Red Baron posted:true, it would only be the mass death of children that could possibly do anything which is extremely grim. They’ll just tell parents of kids 0-5 to lock down so everyone else can enjoy MILD breakthroughs and continue the old normal.
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Pink Mist posted:They’ll just tell parents of kids 0-5 to lock down so everyone else can enjoy MILD breakthroughs and continue the old normal. Their employers will be outraged
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