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One of the best things TFS did was give us a Gohan SSJ2 scene on the level of the Japanese version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW5_7MsFLuA
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Some Numbers posted:One of the best things TFS did was give us a Gohan SSJ2 scene on the level of the Japanese version. Complete with an actually pretty decent English cover of Spirit Vs Spirit
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Feb 11, 2022 21:50
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TFS is funny, but I don't really get it when people talk about it having a great emotional impact, like just before Gohan goes SSJ2 in Abridged 16 basically tells him to stop being a big pussy.
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Feb 11, 2022 22:11
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I think more so the fact the dub sorta flubbed it a little by not letting the scene breathe. They have dub gohan have a inner monologue before he snaps. (original Funi, I do not know if Kai did it differently) That was hella unneccesarry.
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Feb 11, 2022 22:16
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khwarezm posted:TFS is funny, but I don't really get it when people talk about it having a great emotional impact, like just before Gohan goes SSJ2 in Abridged 16 basically tells him to stop being a big pussy. Abridged isnt really all that funny for me personally and is kind of cringe 16-bit Butt-Head fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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Feb 11, 2022 22:41
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TFS question: What did the frog occupying Ginyu's body do to get sent to hell?
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Feb 11, 2022 22:44
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Lamebot posted:TFS question: What did the frog occupying Ginyu's body do to get sent to hell? Killed a child.
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Feb 11, 2022 22:47
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:Abridged isnt really all that funny for me personally and is kind of cringe It's pretty hit or miss for me, but when it hits, it's pretty hilarious. The episodes go by fast enough that the misses don't bother me too much unless I watch a few too many in a row.
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Feb 11, 2022 23:15
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Yeah some of their stuff is legit hilarious, I always liked Recoome as a pro-wrestler and basically all of their version of the first Broly movie. I would say they started to take themselves a bit too seriously by the end though, still I think when they abridged the movies that was their best stuff because they are so intrinsically ridiculous and ripe for parody already.
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Feb 11, 2022 23:17
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There's definitely a shift in TFS' work from parody to lighthearted fandub, but I feel like its really hard to concrerely say when that happens. Its honestly more of a spectrum than anything.
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Feb 11, 2022 23:28
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Lamebot posted:TFS question: What did the frog occupying Ginyu's body do to get sent to hell? Where is he sent to hell?
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Feb 11, 2022 23:28
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The Bee posted:There's definitely a shift in TFS' work from parody to lighthearted fandub, but I feel like its really hard to concrerely say when that happens. Its honestly more of a spectrum than anything. i think this is my problem with abridged I think TFS is very talented at voice acting and editing but they can never commit to whether its a gagdub with cringe jokes and silly voices or a slightly more serious fandub and it clashes when it comes to scenes like Android 16's speech to gohan
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Feb 11, 2022 23:34
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Kild posted:Where is he sent to hell? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyTzXbmDY3g
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Feb 11, 2022 23:46
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Abridged has some funny moments, but they have the easiest time when dealing with characters that have very strong and very clear personality traits in the first place, like Vegeta, Frieza, and Recoome. Gohan, Perfect Cell, and 16 are all pretty difficult characters to deal with, having ended up awkwardly shoehorned into the roles they needed to take to drag the story toward actually doing anything with them. Gohan going Super Saiyan 2 because Cell crushed the head of a robot that Gohan had first met maybe an hour ago is something no fandubber can save.
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Feb 11, 2022 23:47
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:i think this is my problem with abridged I think TFS is very talented at voice acting and editing but they can never commit to whether its a gagdub with cringe jokes and silly voices or a slightly more serious fandub and it clashes when it comes to scenes like Android 16's speech to gohan Dragonball itself can't decide if it wants to be a wacky comedy or have genuine stakes and emotion. That is half the appeal.
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Feb 11, 2022 23:50
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7minutes for a bussy joke...
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TFS elevated Vegeta to an art form
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I just want to know why Semi-Perfect Cell loses his wings only to regrow them in the next form. Puberty is a bitch
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Feb 12, 2022 01:22
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Spirit Vs Spirit sucks Welcome to the shadow realm
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Feb 12, 2022 04:24
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Vizuyos posted:Abridged has some funny moments, but they have the easiest time when dealing with characters that have very strong and very clear personality traits in the first place, like Vegeta, Frieza, and Recoome. To be fair, Android 16 permanently died as a result of Gohan's inaction. Granted, it's still weird, but at least it was an appropriate emotional beat for a permanent death.
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Feb 12, 2022 04:32
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:To be fair, Android 16 permanently died as a result of Gohan's inaction. Granted, it's still weird, but at least it was an appropriate emotional beat for a permanent death. I forget, did 16 speak to Gohan before his death in the actual version? And if so, how did the conversation really go down?
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Feb 12, 2022 04:34
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No, Kakarot adds a conversation between the two of them that only amounts to "I don't like fighting" and he says Gohan will be the deciding factor in the outcome of the Cell Games.
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Feb 12, 2022 04:37
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I am okay with the idea that Gohan is negatively impacted by anyone dying in front of him because he's a genuinely kind and nice boy who cares about those things. Android 16 was the straw that broke the camel's back after he saw his friends and family being brutalized. Them not really interacting is a bit eh but I think the point is more "Gohan is a good boy who wants to study and be kind and doesn't like seeing others hurt and now Cell just murdered a nice person in front of him." Really though you could solve a lot of things by just making Android 16 into actually Android 8 instead of Android 8*2. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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Feb 12, 2022 04:42
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ImpAtom posted:I am okay with the idea that Gohan is negatively impacted by anyone dying in front of him because he's a genuinely kind and nice boy who cares about those things. Android 16 was the straw that broke the camel's back after he saw his friends and family being brutalized. Them not really interacting is a bit eh but I think the point is more "Gohan is a good boy who wants to study and be kind and doesn't like seeing others hurt and now Cell just murdered a nice person in front of him." 8 was the one that looked like Frankenstein’s monster right? But yeah, as I recall he was still alive at the end of the OG Dragon Ball so you could have just brought him back somehow instead.
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Feb 12, 2022 04:56
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Larryb posted:8 was the one that looked like Frankenstein’s monster right? But yeah, as I recall he was still alive at the end of the OG Dragon Ball so you could have just brought him back somehow instead. Yeah. He and Android 16 are basically the exact same character. And Gohan's transformation is basically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8iBdoCrrUQ from Path to Power. (Well, vice-versa rather since Gohan predates it!)
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Feb 12, 2022 04:57
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The best fix would have been to have Trunks become a sort of mentor/older brother to Gohan in an inverse of Future Gohan and Trunks' relationship, and then Trunks getting killed be what makes Gohan go SSJ2, again mirroring Future Gohan and Trunks. That would have at least made Trunks slightly relevant to the arc he was supposedly the centerpiece of narratively.
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Feb 12, 2022 07:46
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Larryb posted:I forget, did 16 speak to Gohan before his death in the actual version? And if so, how did the conversation really go down? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISnWtcd3-L4 Shinjobi posted:Spirit Vs Spirit sucks
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Feb 12, 2022 08:18
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Faulconer has one good track to his name and the rest of it is crap but I've never understood the love for spirit vs spirit. There's really no winning for ol shinjobi in any version of that scene.
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Feb 12, 2022 08:23
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I'm sorry that your poor taste means you can't enjoy one of the best scenes in Dragonball.
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Feb 12, 2022 08:30
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Bad music doesn't completely ruin a scene, otherwise I'd have never made it through an episode of dubbed DBZ. I just don't think spirit vs spirit really fits the moment. The very, very tail end of it after Gohan's transformed with angry tears in his eyes, I think the song works fine at that particular moment. Everything before is just blegh.
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Feb 12, 2022 08:34
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I just want to know why Semi-Perfect Cell loses his wings only to regrow them in the next form. Something about how insect lifecycles are weird. Every insect technically has wings, but some in only specific stages/cases, like how ants only have them as young queens and drones. Could maybe look at how Semi-Perfect Cell is clearly a rough mix of features from Imperfect form and the presumed human influence from absorbing 17, and as said, basically an awkward and ugly middle stage. I think one of the things that makes TFS Cell work so well is that his own nature is as much of a history to himself as it is to anyone else, and he's constantly curious about anything he doesn't know. It makes sense for an evolving being whose power and talent is all second-hand from others. Larryb posted:8 was the one that looked like Frankenstein’s monster right? But yeah, as I recall he was still alive at the end of the OG Dragon Ball so you could have just brought him back somehow instead. 8 actually makes a cameo in Super as well, having survived in the Androids timeline. Thing is about 16 is that he's basically the Terminator 2 T-800, while his predecessor Sgt Metallitron is the Terminator 1 T-800.
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Feb 12, 2022 12:11
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His name is Full Metal Jacket, tyvm.
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Kurui Reiten posted:The best fix would have been to have Trunks become a sort of mentor/older brother to Gohan in an inverse of Future Gohan and Trunks' relationship, and then Trunks getting killed be what makes Gohan go SSJ2, again mirroring Future Gohan and Trunks. This seems so obvious and much better that of course Toriyama didn't think of it and made things work generally anyway.
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khwarezm posted:This seems so obvious and much better that of course Toriyama didn't think of it and made things work generally anyway. It also would have been way more powerful and significantly hosed up for Trunks if Zamasu posesses Gohan's body from his timeline That would require giving Gohan things to do though
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TulliusCicero posted:It also would have been way more powerful and significantly hosed up for Trunks if Zamasu posesses Gohan's body from his timeline Ehhh, I think that might have been going a bit too far into Trunks being destined to suffer horribly.
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Feb 12, 2022 19:13
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Shinjobi posted:Spirit Vs Spirit sucks time to send this thread to another dimension
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Feb 12, 2022 19:21
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:time to send this thread to another dimension If I remember correctly it's "the Next Dimension" because the Ocean dub had a wierd thing about saying "kill or Death" The dub of Gundam Wing is similiar. A lot "I'LL DESTROY YOU!!!!" Duo calling himself the Great Destroyer despite having loving Deathsycthe Gundam, stuff like that khwarezm posted:Ehhh, I think that might have been going a bit too far into Trunks being destined to suffer horribly. It is a little odd that everybody else is in Dragonball and future Trunks is in Akira/ Berserk all the drat time in terms of tone TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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Feb 12, 2022 19:24
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A lot of children's programming in America at the time fell under a pretty strict "No saying anything about death or killing" rule so you weren't allowed to say anything that severe for televised anime which was by and large considered children's programming. However, it is worth remembering a lot of anime has dialogue where the characters just yell dialogue that can be translate as "I'll crush you!", "I'll kick your rear end!", "I'll break your spirit!", etc. I don't know much about Japanese Gundam Wing, but these things aren't always shorthand for murder as fighting series involve more spiritual/personal ways of defeating your opponent that don't just see to take their lives from them or sometimes you do just want to kick someone's rear end without directly killing them.
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Wu Fei does not care about murder, he just wants to beat you up.
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Captain Baal posted:A lot of children's programming in America at the time fell under a pretty strict "No saying anything about death or killing" rule so you weren't allowed to say anything that severe for televised anime which was by and large considered children's programming. However, it is worth remembering a lot of anime has dialogue where the characters just yell dialogue that can be translate as "I'll crush you!", "I'll kick your rear end!", "I'll break your spirit!", etc. I don't know much about Japanese Gundam Wing, but these things aren't always shorthand for murder as fighting series involve more spiritual/personal ways of defeating your opponent that don't just see to take their lives from them or sometimes you do just want to kick someone's rear end without directly killing them. Duo in the Japanese version explicitly refers to himself as a shinigami, he's all in on the straight up death theming. Heero's most famous line is telling Relena he's going to kill her.
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