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"Who can tell what truth is?" Is incredibly tiresome and in this context pro Russia .
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Discendo Vox posted:This is a public book review of We are Bellingcat by a random analyst for CISA's Studies in Intelligence. It demonstrates that this unknown CIA analyst thinks BM's organization is likely to develop such that looks a lot like other intelligence organizations, and that Bellingcat will probably not be as revolutionary as he thinks. It does not in any way state or suggest that Higgins or Bellingcat are somehow subject to reproach or capture by the CIA. Can I have a job?
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Feb 19, 2022 18:58
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Conspiratiorist posted:US/NATO can't directly intervene due to various reasons, limiting the scope of what they can do, especially preemptively. Indeed. To whit: https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1494872091602178051 quote:U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin announced on Friday the planned sale of 250 Abrams tanks to Poland, as Washington moves to strengthen the defences of a key eastern European ally amid a mounting threat of war between neighboring Ukraine and Russia.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:00
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Alchenar posted:"Who can tell what truth is?" Is incredibly tiresome and in this context pro Russia . Are you loving serious? "Russia will invade for sure but, if not its because we said they would" isn't "who can tell what the truth is"?
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Feb 19, 2022 19:01
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Rodiel posted:Are you loving serious? "Russia will invade for sure but, if not its because we said they would" isn't "who can tell what the truth is"? What does it have to do with looking at exif data of a video posted by separatists?
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Feb 19, 2022 19:03
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Paladinus posted:What does it have to do with looking at exif data of a video posted by separatists? i dont take stock in propaganda, no matter what side its for
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Feb 19, 2022 19:05
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Majorian posted:I can't speak for anyone else, but my concern is that by convincing everyone that war is inevitable, it could help cause a repeat of what happened in Georgia in 2008: separatists provoke the Ukrainian military into sending in the troops, resulting in Russia sending in its own troops to overwhelm the Ukrainians and secure the breakaway regions. the main think encouraging the separatists are the huge piles of russian troops on the other side of the border combined with years of military aid and political support. i don't think us actions are particularly relevant, they are going to egg on the russians because it's in their interest to do so. and russia has more than enough leverage to rein them in, they simply choose not to.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:07
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Wow so Zelensky went to Munich after all. That probably wasn't a good idea.
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The thread devolving into a nasty ideological civil war about whether America as a whole and Joe Biden specifically is stupid or evil or neither or both while globally important poo poo that has nothing to do with the western hemisphere is happening is incredibly appropriate. It's like a stupidity fractal.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:09
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Rodiel posted:i dont take stock in propaganda, no matter what side its for You could have easily checked the video yourself in the time you spent on posting trite platitudes.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:09
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Concerned Citizen posted:the main think encouraging the separatists are the huge piles of russian troops on the other side of the border combined with years of military aid and political support. Of course, I never claimed otherwise. That doesn't mean that the U.S. seemingly beating the war drums and insisting that war is inevitable won't convince the separatists (or the Ukrainians or the Russians) that hey, if war is inevitable, we'd better strike first. This is precisely what happened in Georgia.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:09
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Charliegrs posted:Wow so Zelensky went to Munich after all. That probably wasn't a good idea. His speech was well received, and he’ll back back later today (if not is back already). Risky for sure, but as of the current hour it seems to have paid off. Ukrainian interior minister had a much worse day, sharing a frontline bunker with a bunch of journalists invited there - their group seemingly got targeted explicitly. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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Feb 19, 2022 19:11
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Rodiel posted:Can I have a job? The gently caress is this post? E: also answer the loving question, which part of the exif metadata is fake and western plant?
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Feb 19, 2022 19:14
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Rodiel posted:What do you think the American response would be to a hostile power arming a hostile neighbor? Just curious well, we already know what it would be. it was called the cuban missile crisis. the us conduct toward cuba (and other soviet-aligned regimes in the americas) has also been, historically, monstrous and cruel. either way, america's past and current sins doesn't make it guilty in ukraine, nor does it excuse russia's conduct which has been similarly ghoulish. the us arming of ukraine also has to be taken in the context of russia openly arming separatists. Concerned Citizen fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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Feb 19, 2022 19:14
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KillHour posted:The thread devolving into a nasty ideological civil war about whether America as a whole and Joe Biden specifically is stupid or evil or neither or both while globally important poo poo that has nothing to do with the western hemisphere is happening is incredibly appropriate. It's like a stupidity fractal. Who has mentioned Joe Biden?
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Feb 19, 2022 19:16
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Rodiel posted:Who has mentioned Joe Biden? Go back to the past several pages and Ctrl-F Biden. He comes up a lot. Edit: YOU did when you accused him of wanting a cold war what the gently caress the Russian false flags and gaslighting are in the thread 
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Feb 19, 2022 19:18
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Rodiel posted:Who has mentioned Joe Biden? Ah nevermind, you are doing a gimmick. Majorian posted:When enough powerful people keep repeating "War is inevitable, war is inevitable," it tends to become a self-fulfilling prophecy if history is any indication. I don't think Biden is trying to start a war, because I don't think he or his team are that smart or competent. But chanting "War is inevitable" and using intelligence that later turned out to be false to lend credence to that claim was a big factor in the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Obviously, that's not to suggest that the U.S. government wants to get directly involved in a war between Russia and Ukraine, but as others have pointed out, the American military-industrial complex does stand to profit a lot from prolonging this state of cold war. Conspiratiorist posted:US/NATO can't directly intervene due to various reasons, limiting the scope of what they can do, especially preemptively.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:19
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Concerned Citizen posted:well, we already know what it would be. it was called the cuban missile crisis. the us conduct toward cuba (and other soviet-aligned regimes in south america) has also been, historically, monstrous and cruel. either way, america's past and current sins doesn't make it guilty in ukraine, nor does it excuse russia's conduct which has been similarly ghoulish. the us arming of ukraine also has to be taken in the context of russia openly arming separatists. Very wrong, the US has been guilty in Russia and Ukraine since the beginning. I'm not saying Russias right (its insane that i have to keep saying this), but the US isnt right either.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:19
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Xarn posted:Ah nevermind, you are doing a gimmick. Biden's the de facto leader of NATO, one of the two big empires Ukraine finds itself caught in-between; I don't think it's unfair to acknowledge his role in this.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:20
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KillHour posted:Go back to the past several pages and Ctrl-F Biden. He comes up a lot. i apologize for that. i don't think biden is cognizant but i obviously hosed up
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Feb 19, 2022 19:20
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Majorian posted:Biden's the de facto leader of NATO, one of the two big empires Ukraine finds itself caught in-between; I don't think it's unfair to acknowledge his role in this. They are getting me on semantics, it's fine, I was trying to be careful and I hosed up.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:22
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https://charter97.org/ru/news/2022/2/19/455314/ To everyone’s surprise, Russian troops may stay in Belarus after the training drills conclude.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:23
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https://t.me/rian_ru/146427 is this significant or have they proposed this before? (auto-translated from Russian) quote:The CSTO Secretary General said that with the consent of the Ukrainian authorities and with the sanction of the UN Security Council , peacekeepers of the organization could be brought into the Donbass
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Feb 19, 2022 19:25
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Concerned Citizen posted:well, we already know what it would be. it was called the cuban missile crisis. the us conduct toward cuba (and other soviet-aligned regimes in the americas) has also been, historically, monstrous and cruel. either way, america's past and current sins doesn't make it guilty in ukraine, nor does it excuse russia's conduct which has been similarly ghoulish. the us arming of ukraine also has to be taken in the context of russia openly arming separatists. Are the Russians not allowed to worry about the same things? They already have missiles on their doorstep, i wouldn't want more myself.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:25
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Rodiel posted:Are the Russians not allowed to worry about the same things? They already have missiles on their doorstep, i wouldn't want more myself. What the hell are you talking about? Are these missiles in Ukraine?
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Feb 19, 2022 19:26
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Majorian posted:Of course, I never claimed otherwise. That doesn't mean that the U.S. seemingly beating the war drums and insisting that war is inevitable won't convince the separatists (or the Ukrainians or the Russians) that hey, if war is inevitable, we'd better strike first. This is precisely what happened in Georgia. Those are the facts, yet you continue to engage in the most incredible mental gymnastics to center the United States as the bad actor in this crisis.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:27
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Majorian posted:Biden's the de facto leader of NATO, one of the two big empires Ukraine finds itself caught in-between; I don't think it's unfair to acknowledge his role in this. It's fair to talk about his specific actions in the context of what's going on but there's an ideological impasse of "Biden's actions are intended to stoke the flames of war and push Russia to attack!" vs "Biden's actions are intended to preempt a Russian attack by making them look bad if they do!" Nobody is going to convince anybody else on the subject and it's just a referendum on how much you hate Biden.
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Look, I dont want war, but a lot of you seem to. The only way to stop it is to understand that the Russians are humans to. They have the same fears that we do, its not that hard to understand.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:28
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Are these missiles in Ukraine? He’s ostensibly trying to prevent missiles from being stationed in Ukraine. Lol you ninja edited your post to make it more hostile. Great loving debate and discussion thread we got here
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Feb 19, 2022 19:28
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Flavahbeast posted:https://t.me/rian_ru/146427 Russia has made several attempts to deploy its “peacekeeping forces” there throughout the years, this looks like more of the same - just with some additional decorum.
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TipTow posted:He’s ostensibly trying to prevent missiles from being stationed in Ukraine. What missiles?
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Rodiel posted:Look, I dont want war, but a lot of you seem to. The only way to stop it is to understand that the Russians are humans to. They have the same fears that we do, its not that hard to understand. Point to someone wanting a war.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:What the hell are you talking about? Are these missiles in Ukraine? there are missiles in Turkey and Germany at least. do you no nothing about the cold war?
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Alchenar posted:Point to someone wanting a war. 👆
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Alchenar posted:Point to someone wanting a war. [Glances nervously at someone who is obviously Putin in a fake mustache with his hands down his pants]
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Oh come on. Point to where anyone in this thread has stated that they want war.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:31
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Rodiel posted:there are missiles in Turkey and Germany at least. No, there are not.
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Cugel the Clever posted:This is just utter nonsense. You take every opportunity to declare that the US is the only actor with real agency in the situation, That's just demonstrably untrue. I've said multiple times that I think Russia is one of the principal parties at fault in this episode. quote:while suggesting that everyone else, even Washington's opponents, are but ill-fated puppets dashing to Washington's tune. This is also untrue. I've said multiple times that this is a contest between two crumbling empires Love my new red text btw!
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:What missiles? The missiles that could be stationed in Ukraine were it to join NATO? Rodiel posted:there are missiles in Turkey and Germany at least. do you no nothing about the cold war?
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KillHour posted:[Glances nervously at someone who is obviously Putin in a fake mustache with his hands down his pants] if putin wanted war, why hasent he invaded already?
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