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isaboo posted:I vaguely recall something in the media from a few months ago, saying that Putin has some kind of progressive disease and that he is looking for a successor. Is this partly why he is apparently so off the rails? There always have been rumours like that about him, but nothing has ever materialized in the form of evidence, for obvious reasons.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah I've seen other Putin speeches before. This is....way different. It sounded like he was seething. It sounded like it was personal to him. Bit worrying not gonna lie.
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He sounded no worse than that essay he wrote a year ago tbh
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Even if Putin could find a successor, I suspect any politician of merit would look at the way he's acting and distance themselves quickly.
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Has the Russian strategy shifted post-speech or was this always going to be the way things were to go? Did I pick a bad time to relax?
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Conspiratiorist posted:I want to issue a correction. Wait, did he just explicitly declare war?
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So what now. Russia guarantees the security of these two regions. But it did so anyway?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:There always have been rumours like that about him, but nothing has ever materialized in the form of evidence, for obvious reasons. I think we have exhibit A-Z right here right now Does he just sound like Trump's whineyness but in Russian? Because he LOOKS completely high on something
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Haramstufe Rot posted:So what now. Russia guarantees the security of these two regions. But it did so anyway? Yeah, assuming a major invasion does not kick off, this'll become a theme of claiming territories, funding insurgents in others and just slowly taking territory away through a bait-and-switch tactic.
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When this crisis was in its infancy and we still thought of Putin as a cold blooded mastermind instead of this I remember looking up Russian leaders after seeing someone say they expected him to reign for 20 more years and they do not live long. The longest lived one was I think kruschev at 77 which is short for a world leader who usually have access to the worlds best healthcare. In imperial days the tsars would mainly die in their 40s and 50s. So no I’ve never heard it but it wouldn’t surprise me for him to have a progressive disease since he’s 69 and Russian leaders seem to have some strange curse
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:When this crisis was in its infancy and we still thought of Putin as a cold blooded mastermind instead of this I remember looking up Russian leaders after seeing someone say they expected him to reign for 20 more years and they do not live long. The longest lived one was I think kruschev at 77 which is short for a world leader who usually have access to the worlds best healthcare. In imperial days the tsars would mainly die in their 40s and 50s. 
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Haramstufe Rot posted:So what now. Russia guarantees the security of these two regions. But it did so anyway? Now it can pretend to have legal casus belli - they'll ask Russia for aid, and Russia will come to "defend them" from "occupation". This could be seen as necessary for domestic optics.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Wait, did he just explicitly declare war? He said he would recognize the republics and if Ukraine continued hostility "it would be their responsiblity"
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Wait, did he just explicitly declare war? No, he did not say that explicitly. He shat on Ukraine as corrupt and NATO as evil to prequalify why he wants to recognize the separatist regions. Ukraine seeing this recognition as a war declaration is likely though. His whole speech was historical rambling on why Russians in these regions need to be saved. He did it right before signing and he meant this speech to be an explanation of why he is signing this. Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Feb 21, 2022 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Wait, did he just explicitly declare war? signed a 'mutual aide' document and said ukraine must stop the ongoing violence in donbas (that ukraine isn't doing) or else they're responsible for the bloodbath i think, technically, no
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 Stonks looking very good mr President!!!
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https://twitter.com/ignis_fatum/status/1495843671362711556
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Which borders of the LPR/DPR did he recognize? The current lines or the ones that mean the Ukrainian army is currently kilometers deep inside?
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Grouchio posted:It's called vodka A lot of them barely drink, FYI. TulliusCicero posted:I think we have exhibit A-Z right here right now You can definitely think of it as a Trumpian speech, like Trump going on a 90-minute rant about the wrongs of the Emancipation Proclamation, "as someone passionate about history".
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So if what you folks are saying about the speech is true (ie his tone and mannerisms) and it certainly sounds like it is: Well that goes a long goddamn way to explain why his ministers/dept heads (sorry unsure of correct title to use) looked like they were staring down guns just off camera earlier today. Because if he's like this ON camera, I can only imagine what they're dealing with OFF.
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Oh poo poo that kid better watch out for open windows.
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eke out posted:signed a 'mutual aide' document and said ukraine must stop the ongoing violence in donbas (that ukraine isn't doing) or else they're responsible for the bloodbath Yeah the next step is 'Ukraine you must withdraw from the territory of these new states that you are occupying', Ukraine says no, boom - pretext for invasion.
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fatherboxx posted:
link for thhis?
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fatherboxx posted:
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FishBulbia posted:He said he would recognize the republics and if Ukraine continued hostility "it would be their responsiblity" Rad Russian posted:No, he did not say that explicitly. He shat on Ukraine as corrupt and NATO as evil to prequalify why he wants to recognize the separatist regions. Ukraine seeing this recognition as a war declaration is likely though. eke out posted:signed a 'mutual aide' document and said ukraine must stop the ongoing violence in donbas (that ukraine isn't doing) or else they're responsible for the bloodbath Ah so as I thought, just double-checking. Cheers. I'll need to watch this in full tomorrow. Thankfully, I've watched several dozens of video game movies, including such gems as the third Dungeon Siege movie (with Dolph Lundgren, mind you), so I think I can withstand watching this continuously as well. I wish the evening was freer for me to just sit down now, but oh well.
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Alchenar posted:Yeah the next step is 'Ukraine you must withdraw from the territory of these new states that you are occupying', Ukraine says no, boom - pretext for invasion. Ukraine is currently brutally occupying Mariupol and must be stopped.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Wait, did he just explicitly declare war? Kinda? He announced an alliance with Donbas and said that if Ukrainian shelling of Donbas doesn't stop they will be held accountable. Since Ukraine doesn't have control over Donbas shelling their own territory, it basically means war? e: ok, yeah, not explicit, no
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fatherboxx posted:
Committing Economic Suicide to own the Leninists
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Gaukler posted:Which borders of the LPR/DPR did he recognize? The current lines or the ones that mean the Ukrainian army is currently kilometers deep inside? They way Putin phrased it was immediate ceasefire, so I'd assume the current lines. Not that its really worth anything
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QuoProQuid posted:link for thhis? https://smart-lab.ru/q/map/
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TulliusCicero posted:Committing Economic Suicide to own the Leninists Or Putin is trying to resurrect the Soviet Union by crashing the capitalist economy.
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CommieGIR posted:Or Putin is trying to resurrect the Soviet Union by crashing the capitalist economy. Crashing this Market...WITH NO SURVIVORS
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I'm curious if this speech of our anti-Leninist comrade does affect the calculus that Russia is on an anti-imperialist agenda here.
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Aramis posted:I will admit that I'm not particularly versed in Eastern European culture and sensibilities, and there's probably a lot being lost in translation here. That being said, that speech comes across as shockingly inefficient rhetoric-wise to my ears. What purpose does this serve? It's not like anyone who isn't already fully on board could possibly be swayed by this. The target audience is domestic and already in the wringer- but yeah, this is very much the product of a regime that's been choking on its own state propaganda system for long enough that it's losing touch.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:When this crisis was in its infancy and we still thought of Putin as a cold blooded mastermind instead of this I remember looking up Russian leaders after seeing someone say they expected him to reign for 20 more years and they do not live long. The longest lived one was I think kruschev at 77 which is short for a world leader who usually have access to the worlds best healthcare. In imperial days the tsars would mainly die in their 40s and 50s. I would be wary of going too far with internet diagnostics, still. People are quick to make assumptions about old leaders like Trump or Biden, and it's not particularly surprising either. They are old and even with the best genes and habits you will slow up. But aging process is individual and even young people can get tumours for that matter. There's just not much point in it and at worst you get false hopes of all those bastards soon kicking the bucket. Looking at you, Kissinger... I'm also quite sure that soon they will figure out how to make billionaires stop aging at all, even if it means they will have to inject baby blood into their veins. I wouldn't be surprised if world leaders already have some prototypes...
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https://twitter.com/DanielBerman2/status/1495848071858634753 ... https://twitter.com/DanielBerman2/status/1495848078863220740 I think this is good analysis, paritularly on why Munich/Hitler comparisons don't work. And this is why the 'what are the objectives of a potential invasion of Ukraine?' convesation is so difficult - Putin is looking for respect from the West and struggling to grasp how to get it.
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There's literally like a dozen people there. And they're draft dodgers as well.
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CommieGIR posted:Or Putin is trying to resurrect the Soviet Union by crashing the capitalist economy. They’ll just invent some new countries then!!!
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