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Herstory Begins Now posted:kinda stupid to have a one way rule on this, might as well just open the floodgates as long as people are otherwise following the rules of dnd and are making effortful posts putting forth or countering some argument. seems dumb that dnd is literally a place where you can argue anything, all arguments are permitted, except if you mention the dreaded c-sp*m that just sounds really boring to read, imo, and there's enough scrollpast arguments in here already e: sniepr shame e2: per advice: idiot cats, the best kind of cats 
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Betty Wight posted:Russia is a weak dictators toilet that he has been using to relive the glory days of the USSR while the people suffer. Russia deserves better and Ukraine doesn’t deserve to be invaded. The west is right to support Ukraine so that everyone knows that puppet governments don’t get to just invade any sovereign nation without consequences. The US would beat Russia eventually in a conventional war if it wasn't for nukes. It would take years and be just as bloody as WW2, but they could do it. But they do have nukes. And the US directly attacking Russia on it's borders, which they would need to do to stop this invasion, is exactly why Russia has nukes. No one wins with that, the "hammer hitting the nail" likely kills everyone on this forum and most of the people we know. This is why Biden is avoiding the suggestion of sending troops into Ukraine like the plague.
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Despera posted:Well the CSPAM thread is currently about how much "D&D lusts for Russian blood." Post about that in CSPAM if you care.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:kinda stupid to have a one way rule on this, might as well just open the floodgates as long as people are otherwise following the rules of dnd and are making effortful posts putting forth or countering some argument. seems dumb that dnd is literally a place where you can argue anything, all arguments are permitted, except if you mention the dreaded c-sp*m then you instantly get a sixer for some reason setting aside percentage estimates, the forums would be a better place if this rule was universal so I'm imposing it here as a Good Start Peanut Butler posted:that just sounds really boring to read, imo, and there's enough scrollpast arguments in here already if you wish to assuage your shame, edit your post with a cute animal picture
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Orthanc6 posted:The US would beat Russia eventually in a conventional war if it wasn't for nukes. It would take years and be just as bloody as WW2, but they could do it. You can’t do nothing with fascist dictators! How many times do we have to learn this lesson as a species? When a fascist dictator decides to start grabbing poo poo, it’s time to do something about it. Putin is a thug that needs to be dealt with. Don’t invade Russia but make Ukraine a hard stopping point. Make him grind his army to dust in the Donbas. If you are more afraid of a nuclear exchange than your opponent than they will have leverage over you. Putin must be matched force with force.
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Feb 23, 2022 02:31
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https://mobile.twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1496183170714193925 WSJ reporting Ukrainian Military and Intelligence well infiltrated by Russia. I wouldn't trust WSJ but Trofimov himself iirc was on point during Kabul and stayed until the last airlifts out. https://mobile.twitter.com/BVasylchenko/status/1496231522080378890 https://mobile.twitter.com/BVasylchenko/status/1496237326711857155 https://mobile.twitter.com/BVasylchenko/status/1496239174248239104 An explanation on why a full Ukrainian mobilization might've not been called, due to logistical reasons. Still sounds too little, too late. https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1496284438635982853 UK accidentally sanctions the right target.  https://mobile.twitter.com/Forrest_Rogers/status/1496254124119281665 Suspicion that Putin signed the treaties ahead of the Security Council meeting. That is, Naryshkin was making GBS threads himself because he'd just seen Vlad go on his 40 minute rant on why Ukraine Must Be Destroyed.
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Freezer posted:Haven't seen a whole lot of evidence of this either for some reason. No to say it's not happening, but you'd expect some footage and leaks about it if they're seriously scrambling. They’ve implored netizens to avoid sharing Ukrainian military movements. Besides, Ukrainian frontline discipline has been generally solid in recent years, and their soldiers don’t really post their war poo poo on social media, like Russians did in 2014. Herstory Begins Now posted:kinda stupid to have a one way rule on this, might as well just open the floodgates as long as people are otherwise following the rules of dnd and are making effortful posts putting forth or countering some argument. seems dumb that dnd is literally a place where you can argue anything, all arguments are permitted, except if you mention the dreaded c-sp*m then you instantly get a sixer for some reason Respectfully, talking about other posters is boring and high volume content, i.e., the non-urgent and unimportant quadrant of Eisenhower’s posting matrix. We have plenty of subject matter to talk about, and I’d rather keep the conversation focused around that.
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Feb 23, 2022 02:35
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Betty Wight posted:You can’t do nothing with fascist dictators! How many times do we have to learn this lesson as a species? When a fascist dictator decides to start grabbing poo poo, it’s time to do something about it. Putin is a thug that needs to be dealt with. Don’t invade Russia but make Ukraine a hard stopping point. Make him grind his army to dust in the Donbas. There is a lot of space between "Nothing" and "U.S. soldiers duking it out with Russians in Ukraine, risking a possible nuclear exchange" lol. Vietnam and Afghanistan (either one) show that you don't need to toss your own troops in to make the cost too much for an invader or an occupier.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:They’ve implored netizens to avoid sharing Ukrainian military movements. Besides, Ukrainian frontline discipline has been generally solid in recent years, and their soldiers don’t really post their war poo poo on social media, like Russians did in 2014. Or like the last 3 weeks lol.
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Feb 23, 2022 02:40
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Putin gets no support from UN Security Council over Ukraine I'm reading this and I'm curious about the oddly evasive Chinese reaction, do you think they are getting a bit browned off at how far the Russians are going with all of this?
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Feb 23, 2022 02:43
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The poor Russia has to fight against the rich and powerful Ukraine. If they don't then the Ukrainian army will march through Moscow
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Feb 23, 2022 02:46
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cinci zoo sniper posted:They’ve implored netizens to avoid sharing Ukrainian military movements. Besides, Ukrainian frontline discipline has been generally solid in recent years, and their soldiers don’t really post their war poo poo on social media, like Russians did in 2014. No, they hosed up opsec. https://mobile.twitter.com/loogunda/status/1496197712785641478 They've had their phones on. I've also seen social media posts from forward deployed units, and I've heard from people with constant contact with Ukrainian military and AD who say they all only went completely dark last night, presumably under orders. This is actually really loving bad because it means Russians have triangulated all their Battalion and AD positions to at least the last 24 hours. I'd hoped that the Ukrainians were being just really good about keeping their movements off social media but I now suspect that, alarmingly, they simply haven't been moving in noticeable numbers so there's been nothing picked up even by rumor.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:setting aside percentage estimates, the forums would be a better place if this rule was universal so I'm imposing it here as a Good Start Do the D&D mods not have any ability to talk to the C-SPAM mods? Or has diplomacy failed?
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Feb 23, 2022 02:47
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khwarezm posted:Putin gets no support from UN Security Council over Ukraine Even if China supports Russia, it's not going to start supporting separatism as a concept since it obviously has issues with people within what it considers its sovereign borders who don't want to be part of China.
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There is no way to keep dumb rear end college age kids off their phones and if the fate of your nation depends on that you’re screwed
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khwarezm posted:I'm reading this and I'm curious about the oddly evasive Chinese reaction, do you think they are getting a bit browned off at how far the Russians are going with all of this? I can't see why they'd be happy about it, other than as a probe for a potential Western response to an attempt to reclaim Taiwan. It seems probable that this will cause economic and possibly even some political instability in Russia in the short- to medium term, and they already have one shaky regime with a bad relationship with the West and nukes on their border.
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Do the D&D mods not have any ability to talk to the C-SPAM mods? Or has diplomacy failed? I’m going to post about posters for a moment. Mods are management and we are staff. They just need us all to not create problems. Unless an admin makes them, they aren’t going to do poo poo. Because if they do, CSPAM revs up it’s crazy engines and posts endlessly about how something is unfair or whatever. The mods have cursed, godforsaken jobs and CSPAM is full of the absolute worst, miserable, terminally online poster on this site. Just enjoy your forum’s and let them “enjoy” theirs. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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On the topic of Ukrainian movements, at least the Kharkiv garrison is up to something. https://mobile.twitter.com/L_Team10/status/1496119256919986181
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Betty Wight posted:You can’t do nothing with fascist dictators! How many times do we have to learn this lesson as a species? When a fascist dictator decides to start grabbing poo poo, it’s time to do something about it. Putin is a thug that needs to be dealt with. Don’t invade Russia but make Ukraine a hard stopping point. Make him grind his army to dust in the Donbas. You really need to lay off the call of duty. Should the west be flooding Ukraine with weapons to defend themselves? I think so. Should the west send actual military units to fight the Russians in Ukraine? Hell no unless you want to possibly see American cities wiped out.
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Charliegrs posted:You really need to lay off the call of duty. Isolationist policies have never screwed us and our allies before. If we don’t have a strong response then China knows Taiwan is on the table.
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Feb 23, 2022 02:59
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Do the D&D mods not have any ability to talk to the C-SPAM mods? Or has diplomacy failed? Yes, and in fact we talked to them minutes after CSPAM was mentioned itt. The D&D mods don't moderate CSPAM, all we can do is keep an eye out for cross-forum drama on our end. If you have issues with CSPAM moderation take it up with them, an admin, or try your luck in QCS. There's plenty to talk about wrt Ukraine/Russia, please do that. edit: actually, following consultation with both D&D and CSPAM mods, you are encouraged just to post in CSPAM and respond directly. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Feb 23, 2022 |
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Conspiratiorist posted:No, they hosed up opsec. Okay, that’s a different kind of gently caress up, but still a major fuckup.
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Betty Wight posted:Isolationist policies have never screwed us and our allies before. If we don’t have a strong response then China knows Taiwan is on the table. And here I thought that Douglas MacArthur had passed away a long time ago.
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Betty Wight posted:You can’t do nothing with fascist dictators! How many times do we have to learn this lesson as a species? When a fascist dictator decides to start grabbing poo poo, it’s time to do something about it. Putin is a thug that needs to be dealt with. Don’t invade Russia but make Ukraine a hard stopping point. Make him grind his army to dust in the Donbas. What on earth is this absolute arse-gravy of a post? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The time for sanctions passed eight years ago. History books will not write kindly about NATO and EU shrugging their shoulders from the sidelines.
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I am more scared of a nuclear exchange than almost anything and it is difficult to pretend not to
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India and Pakistan had a thing a couple years ago that isn’t completely resolved and they’re nuclear powers with not exactly stable leader in Modi.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:I am more scared of a nuclear exchange than almost anything and it is difficult to pretend not to Just who do you think is going to be exchanging nukes? Only one country involved has them.
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Deteriorata posted:Just who do you think is going to be exchanging nukes? Only one country involved has them. There was a dude earlier who was saying or implying the us should send boots on the ground
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" Trudeau announces first round of economic sanctions on Russia over Ukraine crisis " " Russian media report explosion in Donetsk. No casulaties " "" Ukrainian FM Kuleba: Plan A is diplomacy to avert war. But if that fails, "Plan B is to fight for every inch of our land and every city and every village. To fight until we win, of course" "" "" Biden "In response to Russia's admission that it will not withdraw its forces from Belarus, I have authorized the additional movements of U.S. forces and equipment already stationed in Europe, to strengthen our Baltic allies Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania ""
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:There was a dude earlier who was saying or implying the us should send boots on the ground That's very obviously not going to happen. If Russia overruns Ukraine and decides to keep going on to Poland, then it's a different story.
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Can we…like…send the Afghans to Ukraine? For support?
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Deteriorata posted:That's very obviously not going to happen.
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if they block the export of the only non natural resource export russia has then we will be in trouble. porn im talking about porn.
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steinrokkan posted:Except literally nobody on the forums was posting any of those stories. It was just brought up out of nowhere to browbeat the thread into admitting that the fascist dictatorship is actually morally superior to the decadent west and shouldn't be resisted. This was the image I posted in the OP of the original EE thread 8 years ago when Ukraine was being considered for further integration into the EU Eastern Partnership.
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Grouchio posted:Which leads me to a question (especially for @CommieGIR): Based on the heightened ramblings of Putin regarding Ukrainian clay yesterday, my evil clancy gremlin asks: "Is Putin still consistent with his war policy aims after his speech? Or is a paranoia of a crumbling empire making Putin go 'gee why don't I just occupy everything to Lvov and Odessa and bait Poland just for kicks?" It's not particularly clear that Russia has the manpower ready to actually gobble up and pacify that amount of territory, let alone to poke at NATO afterward. Seriously there's no point in worrying about 'is Putin going to start World War 3 even though we're not challenging him militarily?'
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Sinteres posted:It's not particularly clear that Russia has the manpower ready to actually gobble up and pacify that amount of territory, let alone to poke at NATO afterward. Seriously there's no point in worrying about 'is Putin going to start World War 3 even though we're not challenging him militarily?' Yes I'm pretty sure Putin has little to no intention of going past Ukraine. I agree with other's assessment that he likely won't try to take more than half of Ukraine. If I had to bet he will take his newly minted "States", a land bridge to Crimea, and Kyiv so he can delegitimize whatever remains of the Ukrainian government when hostilities die down again. He does not have the resources to go further than that, there's a good chance he can't even accomplish that for at least a few years of very bloody conflict. Only way I see NATO getting involved militarily is if NATO does something really stupid, which, as dumb as many of its leaders are, I do not expect will happen. There have been arguments here about sending US troops in to defend Ukraine, and I very much sympathize with why people feel that is the necessary thing to do. But it's just not a possibility and no one should be expecting it is.
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I’m also ready for the comedy option where it’s a repeat of Armenia vs Azerbaijan and a bunch of Russians get btfo by Turkish drones The vaunted Russian made Armenian air defenses didn’t do well against drones, like at all, and Armenia was supposedly setup and integrated into Russian air defense same as regular units. There was some haziness about the forward deployed air defenses in disputed territory, but Azerbaijan took out S-400’s with TB2s, if I recall correctly. The Russian Air Force hasn’t covered itself in glory as far as precision tactical air support in Syria against folks that have comically bad air defenses, so someone having some might complicate their lives. I mean realistically I’d expect the Russians to have the edge on the Ukrainians, but I think there’s a small chance this is gonna end super badly for the Russians.
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Orthanc6 posted:Yes I'm pretty sure Putin has little to no intention of going past Ukraine. I agree with other's assessment that he likely won't try to take more than half of Ukraine. If I had to bet he will take his newly minted "States", a land bridge to Crimea, and Kyiv so he can delegitimize whatever remains of the Ukrainian government when hostilities die down again. He does not have the resources to go further than that, there's a good chance he can't even accomplish that for at least a few years of very bloody conflict. Putin is shoring up his flanks and sending a message that successful coups won't be tolerated in strongman slavic world. Belarus and Kazakhstan could have easily been toast if they didn't get significant and relatively fast support from Russia. Ukraine obviously didn't "get the message" after maidan and the slow roll to NATO membership, so now he's pointing out to his other client states that this is what will happen if you don't fall in line. See also: Georgia and South Ossetia, which from a macro view is playing out almost exactly the same as Ukraine is now. So if past is any indication of future, he has absolutely no plans on even taking and holding the entire Ukraine. Possibly just widespread destruction to cement his point, and keeping the "indepedent" oblasts.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:This was the image I posted in the OP of the original EE thread 8 years ago when Ukraine was being considered for further integration into the EU Eastern Partnership. Do we have any background on who made that image? It's been in the back of mind for yeah 8 years, a true modern classic of nationalist nonsense.
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