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Tomberforce posted:Sitting here in Australia feeling sick to the loving stomach about what is about to happen. I can't imagine how people in the region are feeling. It feels like such a 20th century anachronism that is so bleak and senseless. Same here mate, I'm starting to get real worried for the people in Ukraine right now.
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God, the sound of the clinking glass when the grads were hitting in that video. This makes me so sad.
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dr_rat posted:For those who don't know and can't be bothered looking it up, 4am Ukraine time is around 2 hours from now. IIRC the occupied territories don't use Ukrainian time.
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ZombieLenin posted:I don’t believe in any gods as I am a card carrying Marxist, but right this second assuming what is about to happen actually does, I hope there are gods and they are go with the Ukrainian people and armed service. same comrade, same.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i wonder if this is how some folks felt before ww1 started, watching the july crisis start and speed up.
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Mr. Apollo posted:I’m sure some people in the 30s probably felt the same way. that too. hell, alot of 1939/40 was just waiting until the blitzkrieg into france. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War
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I know this is a small thing and maybe fruitless but if you are an American call your rep or senator and see if they will create TPS status for Ukrainians who are fleeing this horrific war.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:that too. hell, alot of 1939/40 was just waiting until the blitzkrieg into france. And its always fun to tell people that the French actually invaded Germany briefly during this time as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_Offensive
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Mooseontheloose posted:I know this is a small thing and maybe fruitless but if you are an American call your rep or senator and see if they will create TPS status for Ukrainians who are fleeing this horrific war. I'd hope that's already in the pipeline but I'll give a jingle to Cruz and Cornyn 
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https://twitter.com/dnvolz/status/1496616093808570373 Why would Russia hit adjacent countries with selective cyberattacks during an invasion? (I've heard this also happens occasionally in peacetime?)
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Grouchio posted:https://twitter.com/dnvolz/status/1496616093808570373 Distraction. Also this is just normal, just trying to keep responders occupied.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I know this is a small thing and maybe fruitless but if you are an American call your rep or senator and see if they will create TPS status for Ukrainians who are fleeing this horrific war. status or no, my door is open
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Peanut Butler posted:status or no, my door is open two of my Polish friends have told our extended social network and the Polish gov that their couches / spare beds are available for refugees I'm sad but I also respect them
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Feb 24, 2022 01:57
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Sitting at work here in Australia today I can't stop refreshing this thread every few minutes. Every since Maidan I've felt a strong affinity for Ukrainians trying to determine their own future but the last few days have felt like a body blow to me and it is going to be a million times worse for the people over there. Wishing all the best to Ukraine. It's not much but all I can do at this moment.
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https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1496645647386263553 can't wait for this to be the main talking point of the chuds now. there are already a ton of them who are going to defend whatever horrors happen because "gently caress biden" and "russia is the true christian not woke nation" or "we should invade canada"
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I feel sick. This is all like a horrible nightmare.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I'd hope that's already in the pipeline but I'll give a jingle to Cruz might be open to it because he has a cold warrior mindset and Ukrainians are European.
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There's a US drone flying around at the moment. https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE12/2aea8ac9
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This feels like 9/11, if it had been announced beforehand on state television. I've had the same certainty of history changing for the worse when the towers fell. Back then, the Americans lost their minds in nationalistic fervor, and they still haven't stopped. This time around, Putin gave a speech showing the entire world he's done the same. The only uncertainties are if the Russian people will follow him down that path, or if it's even going to matter when they don't.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1496645647386263553 I wonder if this is what the 1930s felt like.
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Pablo Bluth posted:There's a US drone flying around at the moment. I noticed that - am surprised that info is publicly available? I guess the Americans want to make it known they are watching?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Because I thought you're saying that? I think there is a big policy space between 'totally ignoring Russian concerns over 30 years since the end of Cold War' and 'prop up the USSR so it can maintain the occupation of Central/Eastern European satellite states'. That you choose to deliberately try and force any viewpoint takes even the most minor consideration of Russian interests into suggestions total support for Russian hegemony over the Near Abroad is more telling of you than anything else. If you want to make the argument that the latter proposition is the only one that Russia/Putin would have ever accepted is fine, but it's on you to make the argument. Putin's evolving stance from 2000 to 2021 seems to indicate to me that some understanding could have been reached without sacrificing the total sovereignty of EE states as you would imply
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Jarmak posted:I wonder if this is what the 1930s felt like. i mean the interesting thing is this "might" be the thing that fractures the GOP since the Neocons/"moderates"/older senate/house ghouls have loving lusted for a day they can openly poo poo on and attack russia on tv and scream about how they were right all along and now you have the chuds/trumpists/etc either openly saying putin is cool and didnt do anything wrong to poo poo like that to poo poo like "biden is weak because he didnt nuke canada or whatever". it probably wont obviously but it will make for some fun hell tv. I mean tucker and trump are already basicaly saying this poo poo. others will follow.
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Kangxi posted:I feel sick. This is all like a horrible nightmare. Right there with you. It's insane.
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Tomberforce posted:I noticed that - am surprised that info is publicly available? I guess the Americans want to make it known they are watching? American drones have been flying all over Ukraine non-stop for at least the past week. It's a friendly airspace and they're only doing surveillance.
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Tomberforce posted:I noticed that - am surprised that info is publicly available? I guess the Americans want to make it known they are watching? edit: see above In regards to the US right-wing stooges sucking off Putin, they are literally traitors, and I'm not even American.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:two of my Polish friends have told our extended social network and the Polish gov that their couches / spare beds are available for refugees yeah I'm way over here in north america in a no-account flatland town so I felt somewhat ludicrous posting that, but- gently caress, I just don't know what else to do, my net worth is a goose egg and my liquid assets rn are a couple of ten dollar bills and a popeyes gift card with five bux on it
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MikeC posted:I think there is a big policy space between 'totally ignoring Russian concerns over 30 years since the end of Cold War' and 'prop up the USSR so it can maintain the occupation of Central/Eastern European satellite states'. That you choose to deliberately try and force any viewpoint takes even the most minor consideration of Russian interests into suggestions total support for Russian hegemony over the Near Abroad is more telling of you than anything else. If you want to make the argument that the latter proposition is the only one that Russia/Putin would have ever accepted is fine, but it's on you to make the argument. Putin's evolving stance from 2000 to 2021 seems to indicate to me that some understanding could have been reached without sacrificing the total sovereignty of EE states as you would imply I have no idea why you think there was more to my question than to simply understand the point that you were making.
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Jarmak posted:I wonder if this is what the 1930s felt like. There were a ton of Hitler apologists in the US, just not any that had a possibility of getting in the White House though.
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Pablo Bluth posted:There's a US drone flying around at the moment. That one is replacing another that's returning to base: https://fr24.com/FORTE11/2ae98408 And the HC Motor handball team is returning to Zaporozhia after losing to Kielce today. https://fr24.com/MSI6532/2aeb6964
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Jarmak posted:I wonder if this is what the 1930s felt like. 
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quarantinethepast posted:There were a ton of Hitler apologists in the US, just not any that had a possibility of getting in the White House though. Yeah that's kind of what I mean. I wonder if there was a time it felt like those people might take over.
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Samopsa posted:uh there is a deep midnight traffic jam from Belgorod to the border with Ukraine, 20km north of Kharkov I’ve been watching this and the jams have been getting longer over the last 2 hours.
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Space Jam posted:I’ve been watching this and the jams have been getting longer over the last 2 hours. Passport control at a single border checkpoint can only work so fast.
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Jarmak posted:Yeah that's kind of what I mean. I wonder if there was a time it felt like those people might take over. Well there was that (alleged to be fair) coup attempt against Roosevelt by American corporations, and Sinclair Lewis's It can't happen here.
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Samopsa posted:uh there is a deep midnight traffic jam from Belgorod to the border with Ukraine, 20km north of Kharkov This is very much contributing to the very eerie feeling of watching a war slowly kick off in a nation with widespread Internet connectivity.
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quarantinethepast posted:Well there was that (alleged to be fair) coup attempt against Roosevelt by American corporations, and Sinclair Lewis's It can't happen here. the main difference is that they had only one father coughlin where now there's a different coughlin for each major marketing sector
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