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Splint Chesthair posted:I just saw Afterlife, and aside from the fact that it didn’t need to exist, the only gripe I had was about how it says Egon ended up where he was. Yea that one was noticed by a lot of fans. The main three guys are such well defined characters(sorry Winston) that fans are definitely gonna notice when you build your movie around a premise that doesn't fit at all with the characters as we have known them up to this point.
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Basebf555 posted:Yea that one was noticed by a lot of fans. The main three guys are such well defined characters(sorry Winston) that fans are definitely gonna notice when you build your movie around a premise that doesn't fit at all with the characters as we have known them up to this point. I had a feeling there was some griping about that in the last 50+ pages of the thread, just wanted to get it off my chest. Also Egon’s first impulse is to…panic and move to Oklahoma in the middle of the night? What made this apocalypse worse than the one he’d already stopped in 1984? The one that involved the exact same Sumerian deity? There was never any attempt to explain why this time was supposed to be that much worse.
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Splint Chesthair posted:Also Egon’s first impulse is to…panic and move to Oklahoma in the middle of the night? What made this apocalypse worse than the one he’d already stopped in 1984? The one that involved the exact same Sumerian deity? There was never any attempt to explain why this time was supposed to be that much worse. I think they explain it as Egon just couldn't get through to the guys and he knew he needed the equipment so he just took it and left. Also Egon saw the writing on the walls of the temple that showed the year of Gozer's next return, so he was preparing for that and he thought he had a plan to put Gozer away for good so I guess that's why he became obsessed with it.
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I found it amusing that Egon automated the incredibly destructive ‘total protonic reversal’ crossing the streams process to keep Gozer’s minions confined.
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Basebf555 posted:I think they explain it as Egon just couldn't get through to the guys and he knew he needed the equipment so he just took it and left. Also Egon saw the writing on the walls of the temple that showed the year of Gozer's next return, so he was preparing for that and he thought he had a plan to put Gozer away for good so I guess that's why he became obsessed with it. This makes me picture Egon attempting to use different Hostess products to make his case and failing because the others only see things in terms of Twinkies.
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The_Doctor posted:There’s a GB cookbook coming later this year because ??? Aykroyd wants to keep making money for his and Reitman's great-grandkids' college funds.
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Dan Aykroyd is a treasure. Unless he's terrible with money, he has more of it than god and doesn't need Ghostbusters to be huge, but he still wants the franchise to be a thing. Nobody but me was asking for Blues Brothers 2000, but he wanted to make it, so he made it. Sure, his abilities and stroke don't match his enthusiasm, but I find his energy just so infectious, one spectrum kid to another.
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Splint Chesthair posted:I had a feeling there was some griping about that in the last 50+ pages of the thread, just wanted to get it off my chest. It was so weird because they could have just had it been that Egon tells them what's up, Ray of course believes him. So it sucks but they agree that Egon needs to move to Oklahoma with some gear to do his thing while Ray stays in NYC in case any activity starts with the Gozer building there again while Egon is messing with this stuff. Then they can say yeah over the years nothing happened but Egon was obsessed/relationships were striained/whatever. Ray just straight up not believing him was bs.
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Neo Rasa posted:It was so weird because they could have just had it been that Egon tells them what's up, Ray of course believes him. So it sucks but they agree that Egon needs to move to Oklahoma with some gear to do his thing while Ray stays in NYC in case any activity starts with the Gozer building there again while Egon is messing with this stuff. It honestly felt like “Egon Spengler can rot in hell” was a line from a much earlier draft where the breakup of the Ghostbusters was a bigger part of the story. Because Ray pretty much does a 180 on Egon in the span of that phone call after 30-plus years of hating his guts. You could see the seams between an earlier “getting the band back together” GB3 script and the “next generation” one that was filmed.
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Karloff posted:Agreed, I liked the film but they certainly made Gozer a bit less impactful, a bit too human in the way she had a back and forth with the characters. 84 Gozer is just delightfully weird and alien. It felt like Gozer was trying to emulate them because they're the only humans who successfully pushed back and won. A god would surely have a begrudging respect for that. roffels posted:It's like they forgot what crossing the streams even meant. I try not to be a nerd about canon, but considering they only had callbacks to one film's story, it shouldn't be hard to get right. Neo Rasa posted:It was so weird because they could have just had it been that Egon tells them what's up, Ray of course believes him. So it sucks but they agree that Egon needs to move to Oklahoma with some gear to do his thing while Ray stays in NYC in case any activity starts with the Gozer building there again while Egon is messing with this stuff. I don't think Jason Reitman has ever actually watched Ghostbusters because these are such weird errors to make.
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Ray didn't believe Egon because Egon didn't give a poo poo about Ray being triple bankrupted on the firehouse, losing his childhood farm, losing the business they started together. Egon was laser focused on one threat, while Ray's entire world was collapsing around him.
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Malcolm Excellent posted:Ray didn't believe Egon because Egon didn't give a poo poo about Ray being triple bankrupted on the firehouse, losing his childhood farm, losing the business they started together. Egon was half-expecting Ray to explode when he turned on his proton pack and said nothing! But Ray was also really excited about that pole, so it’s a wash. Ray just never struck me as someone who was even capable of holding a grudge. “Hey, Dean Yeager!” That guy clearly hated all three of them and Ray’s still happy to see him.
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I felt like Jason obviously wanted to include Bill and Harold’s personal breakup in the film but Bill wouldn’t go for it so he swapped in Ray which, as everyone notes, does not work.
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Malcolm Excellent posted:Ray didn't believe Egon because Egon didn't give a poo poo about Ray being triple bankrupted on the firehouse, losing his childhood farm, losing the business they started together. Does Ray say that during the phone call? I don't really want to rewatch it to check. gregday posted:I felt like Jason obviously wanted to include Bill and Harold’s personal breakup in the film but Bill wouldn’t go for it so he swapped in Ray which, as everyone notes, does not work. Writing sloppier than a river of slime.
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gregday posted:I felt like Jason obviously wanted to include Bill and Harold’s personal breakup in the film but Bill wouldn’t go for it so he swapped in Ray which, as everyone notes, does not work. It could of worked if they had given just a bit more as to how it happened. If you had presented why Ray didn't believe Egon or how it was handled it would of expalined so much more AND given the scene more weight. Also, Dan Akroyd is a decent actor (as most of the cast is) but its easy to forget as he went off the deep end.
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Mooseontheloose posted:It could of worked if they had given just a bit more as to how it happened. If you had presented why Ray didn't believe Egon or how it was handled it would of expalined so much more AND given the scene more weight. I don't quite understand why Aykroyd(and probably Hudson too considering he seems ready to be in a sequel) wasn't written into the script as a more consistent presence where you could give him a few meatier scenes to explain what happened with Egon and also to get to know the new characters. Like, clearly the guy loves Ghostbusters and loves being connected to it and seeing it continue on, why was he not incorporated into the movie a lot more? Sure it's fun to see Peter, Ray, and Winston show up all at the same time as a team but would that moment somehow be ruined if Ray was more featured? We all understand that Murray doesn't want to be there, but Aykroyd does so why do we have to treat them all the same and give them all the same trite 2 minute cameo?
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Basebf555 posted:I don't quite understand why Aykroyd(and probably Hudson too considering he seems ready to be in a sequel) wasn't written into the script as a more consistent presence where you could give him a few meatier scenes to explain what happened with Egon and also to get to know the new characters. Like, clearly the guy loves Ghostbusters and loves being connected to it and seeing it continue on, why was he not incorporated into the movie a lot more? Sure it's fun to see Peter, Ray, and Winston show up all at the same time as a team but would that moment somehow be ruined if Ray was more featured? We all understand that Murray doesn't want to be there, but Aykroyd does so why do we have to treat them all the same and give them all the same trite 2 minute cameo? I really think they were hedging their bets that the original cast would be involved in it at all. Keeping their parts small means it would be really easy to just cut them from the script if they backed out. By most accounts, Murray single-handedly prevented Ghostbusters 3 from happening for nearly three decades, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to have a backup plan. See also: Weaver's weird superfluous appearance in the stinger. But then again, the sequel hook is built entirely around the original cast and the original settings. Once Gozer is beaten, there's nothing about what's next for the Spengler family, Paul Rudd, "Podcast," etc. It's like they were there for no other reason than to put all the old pieces back on the board. Which, I guess, was probably the point all along.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:It's crazy to me that Weaver would say yes to Alien Resurrection, and no to GB Afterlife. Well for one, she's over 70 now, when she made Alien Resurrection she was barely 50. So she may just want to be semi-retired. Also Alien Resurrection only happened because they incorporated a bunch of her ideas into it, she obviously had a lot more power in that situation to control things than she would for something like a Ghostbusters sequel. Splint Chesthair posted:I really think they were hedging their bets that the original cast would be involved in it at all. Keeping their parts small means it would be really easy to just cut them from the script if they backed out. By most accounts, Murray single-handedly prevented Ghostbusters 3 from happening for nearly three decades, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to have a backup plan. See also: Weaver's weird superfluous appearance in the stinger. I get all that for everyone except for Aykroyd. I find it hard to believe Aykroyd wouldn't jump at the chance to have a more prominent role in a new Ghostbusters, regardless of whether the others where involved or not.
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Basebf555 posted:Well for one, she's over 70 now, when she made Alien Resurrection she was barely 50. So she may just want to be semi-retired. Also Alien Resurrection only happened because they incorporated a bunch of her ideas into it, she obviously had a lot more power in that situation to control things than she would for something like a Ghostbusters sequel. Eh, fair. I just really hate Alien Resurrection. 
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Basebf555 posted:I get all that for everyone except for Aykroyd. I find it hard to believe Aykroyd wouldn't jump at the chance to have a more prominent role in a new Ghostbusters, regardless of whether the others where involved or not. This is all worthless speculation on my part, but it may not have been up to the cast - the producers may have wanted an "all or nothing" approach to the original cast and Murray is famously difficult to corral if your name's not Wes Anderson. They might have seen Murray as the linchpin to the whole thing and wanted a failsafe if he wouldn't commit. Or the cameos from the original cast were never anything more than fanservice and they were shoehorned into the story as lazily as possible! Again, worthless speculation, but what isn't is that it could have been handled better.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It kind've felt like they were being careful to give all three original GBs equal screen time. Ray got the bookstore phone call scene, Winston got the credits scene and Peter got the post credits scene I don't disagree, it does seem like that, but it's just dumb as hell if that's what they did because if Murray complains about lack of screen time he can go gently caress himself. You're the one who didn't want to do a GB sequel dude, of course they'd give you plenty of screen time if you wanted it but you refuse so we're giving it to people who actually want to be here.
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WonkyBob posted:It felt like Gozer was trying to emulate them because they're the only humans who successfully pushed back and won. A god would surely have a begrudging respect for that. I got the feeling Gozer was kind of baffled by the whole thing. Stepping into the world, killing your cult leader, petting your dogs, and then posing on a throne waiting until a 12-year-old shows up and mistaking her for an eager sacrifice isn't exactly the pattern of behavior we saw in the first movie. I'm sure part of the difference was that this seemed to be home ground of sorts, but surely Gozer was aware that Egon made a concerted effort to halt their entry to the world at full power. I found it to be a pretty reasonable alien god response: "I don't understand, you DON'T want the world to end? Again? Because that guy I just tore apart sure seemed to want that." Then they lose a dog and go a bit fuzzy, get mad and pursue, and end up confronted by three people who confronted them before, but may not actually recognize them. It's unclear Gozer understands that human beings age. I think it's significant that we get a repeat of the "Are you a god?" line but no request about choosing; trapping and kidnapping Zuul evidently disrupted that part of the pattern, and it'd be reasonable for Gozer to want to deal with these three gods before getting on with business.
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Narsham posted:I got the feeling Gozer was kind of baffled by the whole thing. Stepping into the world, killing your cult leader, petting your dogs, and then posing on a throne waiting until a 12-year-old shows up and mistaking her for an eager sacrifice isn't exactly the pattern of behavior we saw in the first movie. I'm sure part of the difference was that this seemed to be home ground of sorts, but surely Gozer was aware that Egon made a concerted effort to halt their entry to the world at full power. You're probably right, I'm trying to apply human logic to an interdimensional god. It's not a great excuse but I blame the fact that I'm terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought. It's a shame we didn't get another ridiculous destructor.
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Coffee And Pie posted:I’m still baffled that Slimer didn’t come back. Of all the things not to return, he was like their mascot! Maybe one of the producers was adamant that there's no way a green puppet mascot character from a 30 year old sci-fi franchise would work with people today.
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If I could have any one Ghostbuster show up at my birthday party, it would be Ernie Hudson. This is really why the start of Ghostbusters 2 sets everything on such an odd tone.
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Gnome de plume posted:it's because they wanted He-Man Which apparently was a dig at Filmation's He-man vs The Real Ghostbusters, even though it was kind of dated then.
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I really just wanted to post that Ernie Hudson rules in a way tied to the events of the movies.
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Shiroc posted:I really just wanted to post that Ernie Hudson rules in a way tied to the events of the movies. I really am hopeful for a sequel with him as the boss, and the Spengler family and associates as the team. Throw in one or two other people, maybe, and ideally have a new threat. I’ve been catching up on the thread after finally seeing Afterlife, and it occurred to me that if you mapped the original movies onto an RPG framework, the GB 2 is a scenario, while GB 1 is a campaign. Afterlife feels mostly like a scenario, but with some side quests which were largely unrelated. (The 2016 film seemed more of a scenario but with a “characters meeting/recruitment opening.) The campaign approach is more satisfying, because you get to tell some smaller stories about ghostbusting that turn out to build toward the climax of the campaign. All the smaller villains come back and the big bad’s plans become clear. A sequel built more along those lines would be most satisfying, IMO. Just give me more Hudson, and more of Coon and Grace. I especially want to see Callie after her character arc in Afterlife; I bet she and Hudson would be remarkable as the leader-mentors of a new GB team.
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Gnome de plume posted:it's because they wanted He-Man Ungrateful little yuppie larva.
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