BoldFace posted:It depends entirely on how you define winning. Odds were not in their favor, but even Taliban won in the end. After getting slaughtered like animals for many years
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Sinteres posted:This seems bad. On both sides. i mean their are chechen regiments in the russian army because putin put that dipshit video game looking gangster in charge. but Chechens rebels are good at hunting russians.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk/status/1496878993534255104?s=20&t=dYwra1uHfL68PWiUGEDubQ With this out on Twitter as a propaganda coup I can't help but wonder how this is gonna go for these guys and their families when/if they get back to Russia.
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Sinteres posted:I don't think many people right now would consider it a win if Russia occupies Ukraine for 20 years and then leaves the country bankrupt and starving upon withdrawal. No, not now, but in 20 years they might. In the grand scheme of things, 20 years is just a single generation.
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BoldFace posted:It depends entirely on how you define winning. Odds were not in their favor, but even Taliban won in the end. Its an embarrassment thing, for lack of a better word. You don't project an image of strength and unity if you take comparatively high losses when attempting to roll over your much smaller and ill prepared and equipped neighbor. It basically tells anybody who has anywhere close to military parity with you that your military sucks.
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Tomn posted:With this out on Twitter as a propaganda coup I can't help but wonder how this is gonna go for these guys and their families when/if they get back to Russia. They're not making it back to russia lol what do you think the trailer incinerators are for E: the kommisars never left
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CommieGIR posted:To be blunt: At best Ukraine can delay the Russians and make them pay for any advance, but make no mistake: Russia will likely win this. How quickly is the question right now. they lose the occupation though
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projecthalaxy posted:Presumably the volunteer battalions at least want to kill some russians and this seems like a good opportunity to do so Or counter-insurgency specialists or however you'd want to phrase it. Kadyrov's boys probably have a certain knack for that which ordinary Russian soldiers and MPs might not.
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ZombieLenin posted:As I said earlier in this thread, I am a Marxist; and as a Marxist I do not know how anyone who claims to be on the left could do anything other than cheer on Ukraines people and Armed Services who, in my view, are fighting someone who is as close to a successor of Hitler as one can realistically imagine.  I am not a Marxist, but I am an American leftist, and this is god's own truth. Putin is no friend of the left, nor a friend of humanity writ large. He is nihilism and murder incarnate.
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Comstar posted:Found a tweet with 3 burning vehicles, 1 IFV, 1 tank and 1 recon vehicle. Not posting link because the replies include the non-pixelated dead body next to it. Can't you post it as a spoiler?
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Hideo kojima saw that tweet about chechen veterans on both sides, MGS 7 confirmed.
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TheRat posted:Quickly enough for what? Almost all recent russian weapons acquisition projects had massive problems with delays. The only assembly line for their ambitious T-14 Armata MBT is also the T-90M assembly line, and it also used to be the T-72B3 assembly line until few years ago. There were supposed to be new factories for those models since 2013 but all the money disappeared, and no new factories materialized. It will take a long time to reach the numbers that the russian military is aiming for. Flagellum fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Relevant Tangent posted:they lose the occupation though Maybe, who knows. We don't have good data on the losses the Russians are taking yet. How are u posted:
Yeah, make no mistake: Putin hates the communists and has largely neutered the Communist party in Russia. There's a reason he aligns with people like Trump.
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filo posted:Can't you post it as a spoiler?   text translated: Lined up a Russian tank near Kharkov https://twitter.com/radiosvoboda/status/1496820597137027073?s=20&t=2fcYLkn5Mp3JcnM-tGrCww Don't scroll down to see the uncensored version. It's the same video with out pixelated body.
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Telsa Cola posted:Its an embarrassment thing, for lack of a better word. i mean they are clearly somewhat prepared if they are frying Russians in the t-72s and taking out entire convoys.
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CommieGIR posted:Maybe, who knows. We don't have good data on the losses the Russians are taking yet. Yeah I mean when he was giving his big speech he was just saying "bolsheviks" and "bolshevism" over and over again. And not in a positive way, more that they sold out Russia to Ukraine and such.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i can believe this is real. the russian army has super competent army but even currently, the Russian miliary in the field is super loving inflexible command structure wise. so you get poo poo like this often. Inflexible meaning if they have orders to do A and then they show up and realize they are expected to do B, they just say "does not compute" and give up?
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Flagellum posted:Almost all recent russian weapons delivery project had massive problems with delays. The only assembly line for their ambitious T-14 Armata MBT is also the T-90M assembly line, and it was also used to be T-72B3 assembly line until few years ago. There were supposed to be new factories for those models since 2013 but all the money disappeared, and no new factories materialized. Ya this isn't WW2 where there are dedicated arms plants running flat out 24/7, and it's not the Cold War where there was always a low thrum of heavy arms manufacturing. It will take ages to replace every lost tank, armored vehicle, and plane, especially when no one is selling them any materials needed. It's also a good bet that Russia is using "the good stuff" in the invasion. I also haven't seen anything about Russian logistics. If Ukraine really drags this out, does anyone know the feasibility of feeding Russian troops or keeping the tanks running while they battle in the interior?
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Flagellum posted:Almost all recent russian weapons acquisition projects had massive problems with delays. The only assembly line for their ambitious T-14 Armata MBT is also the T-90M assembly line, and it also used to be the T-72B3 assembly line until few years ago. There were supposed to be new factories for those models since 2013 but all the money disappeared, and no new factories materialized. to add, same issue with everything from jets to naval vessels.
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Friend posted:Inflexible meaning if they have orders to do A and then they show up and realize they are expected to do B, they just say "does not compute" and give up? i mean like command structure is "lead officer is in charge and knows full plan and orders" instead of versatility of say US command where everyone kinda is prepared to take command of a situation. its not as bad as the old days but its still there.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, make no mistake: Putin hates the communists and has largely neutered the Communist party in Russia. There's a reason he aligns with people like Trump. As far as I've been given to understand it the Russian Communist Party is basically just a soviet nostalgia-flavored nationalist party that's in bed with the orthodox church and appeals to some nostalgic elderly folks by blaming bad poo poo on foreigners, young people and LGBTQ folks.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean they are clearly somewhat prepared if they are frying Russians in the t-72s and taking out entire convoys. They have equipment,training and probably a reasonable idea of where troops will be moving. But I really don't think it would be correct to state that Ukraine was adequately prepared for a war with Russia.
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There's a PR agency in the US right now that's getting some furious phone calls about its TV spot buys https://twitter.com/barstoolWSD/status/1496872249600581635
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So what are the odds that Putin's SUMMON THE OLIGARCHS meeting is going to be a Red Wedding/Kiss the Ring affair? Putin's mask-off now; consolidating power at home would seem to be next on his to-do list. Seriously asking; their proxies (duma ministers) have already been dragged over the carpet to mouth support for this war, so does he now feel the need to impart that on the bosses?
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Randarkman posted:As far as I've been given to understand it the Russian Communist Party is basically just a soviet nostalgia-flavored nationalist party that's in bed with the orthodox church and appeals to some nostalgic elderly folks by blaming bad poo poo on foreigners, young people and queer people. Yeah, for the most part. And that's by design, anybody who was actually popular enough to be a threat has long since been chased off or told to make themselves scarce.
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Friend posted:Inflexible meaning if they have orders to do A and then they show up and realize they are expected to do B, they just say "does not compute" and give up? I'm grossly simplifying. Russian troop training is like this - they learn how to, for instance 1. march through steppe 2. assault an infantry base in a steppe 3. defend a steppe infantry base from a helicopter And the combat orders are like attack commands for Pokémon, where they combine different moves they've practised in the past. This leads to a very steady execution, and resilience to electronic warfare and whatnot, as your tank will just be following a sticky note (really simplifying here, I want to emphasize again), but then if poo poo goes really off the script (e.g. Ukrainians soldiers turn out to be armed with Javelins, not bows) then the recovery is tough. I remember reading an article about this recently, but I cannot recall where was it published.
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Pook Good Mook posted:I also haven't seen anything about Russian logistics. If Ukraine really drags this out, does anyone know the feasibility of feeding Russian troops or keeping the tanks running while they battle in the interior? I find it extraordinarily difficult to imagine they would run out of food or fuel, it's not stalingrad, they aren't extending across thousands of miles of winter steppe and if it came to it they'd just ransack the supermarket.
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Randarkman posted:As far as I've been given to understand it the Russian Communist Party is basically just a soviet nostalgia-flavored nationalist party that's in bed with the orthodox church and appeals to some nostalgic elderly folks by blaming bad poo poo on foreigners, young people and LGBTQ folks. Generally, yes, and also there are no longer really opposition, either, though there seem to be some small number of younger members who seem to stand for things.
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Randarkman posted:As far as I've been given to understand it the Russian Communist Party is basically just a soviet nostalgia-flavored nationalist party that's in bed with the orthodox church and appeals to some nostalgic elderly folks by blaming bad poo poo on foreigners, young people and LGBTQ folks. You're broadly correct. They also tend to get orders to do batshit stupid stuff, to paint Putin as sensible alternative.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Not much. They can harm companies and sovereign wealth, but the US can't do much to oligarchs. There is a symmetrical cost to sanctions though not equally symmetrical. I don't remember Russia's global fertilizer contribution but it's sufficiently huge to affect global food prices if interrupted. Impeding the Russian global contribution of laser neon will adversely affect chip costs. And of course energy supplies to Europe. The West must be willing to accept these costs and I'm sure crazy Putin doesn't believe they will for the long term. For the short term, Russia has a pile of cash to ride it out. So this is a long term issue and Putin probably believes the West will blink first.
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Damaged and destroyed artillery and AA truck. "Car drive in Sumy town after #Russia'n forces took it #Kharkov east #Ukraine" https://twitter.com/GraniTweet/status/1496882938587533314?s=20&t=qy0b09ecLtt5oGi4jUw95w Looks like they got hit from the air, and the trucks and ateillrry crashed in panic.
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ZombieLenin posted:As I said earlier in this thread, I am a Marxist; and as a Marxist I do not know how anyone who claims to be on the left could do anything other than cheer on Ukraines people and Armed Services who, in my view, are fighting someone who is as close to a successor of Hitler as one can realistically imagine. Anyone actually cheering on a Russian invasion is fundamentally not a leftist because it is an imperialist, capitalist, right-wing regime waging near-unprovoked war -- that is clearly opposite all leftist thought and the only people who would post in support are anti-west and anti-US empire above all else. I do, however, find it extremely hard to "cheer on Ukraine" because their government also really, really sucks, it just sucks less. I just don't want war.
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Comstar posted:Damaged and destroyed artillery and AA truck - Ukrainian I'm guessing. It's Russian armour, and the narrator is Ukrainian.
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filo posted:Can't you post it as a spoiler? Please don't, spoilers will show inline on phone browser.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:It's Russian armour, and the narrator is Ukrainian. oh nice.
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OAquinas posted:So what are the odds that Putin's SUMMON THE OLIGARCHS meeting is going to be a Red Wedding/Kiss the Ring affair? Putin's mask-off now; consolidating power at home would seem to be next on his to-do list. he's going to kill a couple because why not? and they're going to take it because they're authoritarian strongmen and he's stronger, the strongest anyone who thought the oligarchs were in charge has had a real  moment
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OwlFancier posted:I find it extraordinarily difficult to imagine they would run out of food or fuel, it's not stalingrad, they aren't extending across thousands of miles of winter steppe and if it came to it they'd just ransack the supermarket. It's not just fuel, I mean parts and repair. You can't just pick up parts to repair a T-90 in a local auto store.
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