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Nenonen posted:Unless it was a special forces in-n-out to just cripple the airport equipment with no intention to hold it? OTOH if the task group was meant to hold it and either clear the way for heavier cargo planes or wait for land forces to connect then that would be a colossal failure. Strange that they haven't tweeted pics yet then. It’s been just amended the statement, they haven’t taken the airport yet. People celebrated too early
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Nenonen posted:Unless it was a special forces in-n-out to just cripple the airport equipment with no intention to hold it? OTOH if the task group was meant to hold it and either clear the way for heavier cargo planes or wait for land forces to connect then that would be a colossal failure. Strange that they haven't tweeted pics yet then. You can render airports unusable at range with missiles and no loss of troops.
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I wouldn't get too hype over unverified tweets about Russian losses. That said, the Russian army has a long and glorious history of being over hyped and under performing relative to their sheer size and how much the sales copy for their exported weapons systems brags about TENTH GENERATION REACTIVE ARMOR on what are basically repainted T-72 shitbox tanks or whatever.
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Recoome posted:I hope this isn’t against the rules but Ukraine is proving a lot more challenging to Russia than Georgia in 2008, and this is with the military reforms Russia underwent. Absolutely insane. Georgia's like a ninth the size of Ukraine.
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Recoome posted:I hope this isn’t against the rules but Ukraine is proving a lot more challenging to Russia than Georgia in 2008, and this is with the military reforms Russia underwent. Absolutely insane.
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acidx posted:There's already been footage of helicopters shot down outside of Kiev as well. That was from the initial air assault over Hostomel. Committing an entire Brigade of helos to an air assault that deep into Ukrainian territory seemed suicidal when I first saw it, making me doubt the location in initial reports, but it seems they scoped out there were few MANPADS (due to slow mobilization) and the VDV just loving went with it to land a paratrooper brigade and secure the airport. But they didn't count with the Hero Fulcrum. That was loving crazy. https://mobile.twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1496803995310034945 Initial air assault over Hostomel. https://mobile.twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1496814689547870211 Out of literally nowhere Ukrainian MiG-29. https://mobile.twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1496815218701262858 Entire Air Assault does a snap withdrawal. https://mobile.twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1496822110798458892 Soon after engaged by Russian Su-30SM in the once-in-a-lifetime real peer v peer dogfight. The Fulcrum looks to have only stalled the air assault and the VDV still took the air power with a follow up, but this guy is still hero. Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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aphid_licker posted:If they really retook the airport they should be posting shitloads of pics, that would be a huge propaganda win. Until we see pics of the wrecked airport strewn in corpses I'll assume that it hasn't been retaken. They haven't. The source retracted their statement.
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Inner Light posted:Those Twitter videos were the first time, hopefully the last, that I have seen Real Deal cruise missiles in flight whooshing along to their targets. Crazy to see. They sound just like an aircraft because of their jet engine. The shear speed and power of warfare always surprises me. It's literally hell on earth, but very very real.
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FishBulbia posted:They haven't. The source retracted their statement. Can confirm the source has retracted their statement quote:By Gostomel. https://www.facebook.com/alexey.arestovich/posts/5245328398864531
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Conspiratiorist posted:That was from the initial air assault over Hostomel. Committing an entire Brigade of helos to an air assault that deep into Ukrainian territory seemed suicidal when I first saw it, making me doubt the location in initial reports, but it seems they scoped out there were few MANPADS (due to slow mobilization) and the VDV just loving went with it to land a paratrooper brigade and secure the airport. hero fulcrum?
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Kaddish posted:It would be like Delta/Seals/MARSOC or something being repelled from a major US objective. A huge black eye. Wonder if delta force had actually gone ahead with the planned Iran embassy rescue if it would have ended something like that. Would have been near impossible to reinforce if things didn't go perfectly. aphid_licker posted:If they really retook the airport they should be posting shitloads of pics, that would be a huge propaganda win. Until we see pics of the wrecked airport strewn in corpses I'll assume that it hasn't been retaken. Dumb question but if Russia had it confirmed that the airport was retaken wouldn't it be a bad idea for anyone to stick around? Would assume they'd be carpet bombing it out of spite.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:I'm pretty sure his speech prior to the invasion shows he's nuts. I think someone needs to tell him any one of those three countries could obliterate Russia with their own nuclear arsenals, so maybe let’s not make stupid threats.
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Al-Saqr posted:Can confirm the source has retracted their statement
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Recoome posted:I hope this isn’t against the rules but Ukraine is proving a lot more challenging to Russia than Georgia in 2008, and this is with the military reforms Russia underwent. Absolutely insane. I don't think invading Ukraine would be easy for anyone, even the US. Its a massive country with a huge army.
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Even if they don't take the airport back, they could presumably move enough AA equipment near it to deny any landings in the area? And the russian forces on the ground presumably will not get any reinforcement otherwise until the land forces get there, at which point it probably doesn't matter who owns the thing.
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Kavros posted:He's big on incendiary statements and brinkmanshippy threats just as a political strategy, but: crazy. I would not have taken "crazy" as an option before the events of the last week. I'm forced to change my mind in this regard. The general image of Putin as a canny manipulator with rational (if belligerent) long-term aims has effectively been ended by his most recent public meetings and speeches. He's poisoned by hypernationalist revanchism, and his resulting imperialism cannot be predicted by what a leader might do rationally. Putin’s mindset appears to be the classic KGB mindset, which assumes that the West’s only goal is to destroy Russia (to the point where they spent decades trying to prove that the West was angling to get into position to execute a nuclear first strike, despite never actually finding any evidence of such a plan) and that their disinformation is convincing no matter how inane it is. He’s rational in that his actions can be predicted, you just need to work from a different set of background assumptions.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Wonder if delta force had actually gone ahead with the planned Iran embassy rescue if it would have ended something like that. Would have been near impossible to reinforce if things didn't go perfectly. Things didn't go perfectly, obviously, and it was a huge debacle. It's literally why SEAL Team 6 was commissioned. As well as JSOC.
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Telsa Cola posted:The amount of tanks (reported) to be taken out is insane. Ukraine has over 6,000 tanks and Russia has over 12,000. I assume most on either side won't see combat, but even still, there's a lot to go around.
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OwlFancier posted:Even if they don't take the airport back, they could presumably move enough AA equipment near it to deny any landings in the area? And the russian forces on the ground presumably will not get any reinforcement otherwise until the land forces get there, at which point it probably doesn't matter who owns the thing. They could have high flying fighters armed for A2G to pick out any units trying to move into position. The airport in question is kind of out in the country side, making moving stuff there a bitch if you don't have air superiority.
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SourKraut posted:I'm pretty sure that was a historical joke... It's interesting though that Putin specifically mentions demilitarization and denazification. The Potsdam Conference in 1945 also included democratization, decentralization, dismantling and decartelization. Decentralization would really be part of Putin's goals, nothing is more decentralizing than breaking Ukraine into independent republics. Dismantling the industries also bides well, Ukraine should be just an agricultural producer with no heavy industry. Those factories can be moved to Russia. Just those democratization and decartelization bits might be hard for Putin to say aloud.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre/status/1496922915954216962?s=20&t=KMOgkqZ7xoxDgOAAOKLtdA According to Kyiv Independent, the fight continues. They’re reliable enough for me to want for additional confirmation here. Accompanying rumour mill suggests tanks and artillery involved, with heavy shelling of the airport, which makes sense to me since chances are it’s held by quite literally the best of the best in Russian infantry.
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Telsa Cola posted:The amount of tanks (reported) to be taken out is insane. Where is this being reported? Is there a score keeping dashboard somewhere?
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Solaris 2.0 posted:https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre/status/1496922915954216962?s=20&t=KMOgkqZ7xoxDgOAAOKLtdA It suddenly makes a lot of sense Putin started begging the Ukrainians to stop fighting again. Fat chance, Russia. You may ‘win’ your war, but you’ve picked a fight with a country with the willingness to defend their right to exist, and the strength to not only make Russia pay for their ‘victory,’ but also show the world how weak the Russian military apparatus really is. And no wonder he’s threatening nuclear war again, because just right this moment, Ukraine is demonstrating how one sided a conventional war with NATO would actually be. Good for you, Ukraine. Every minute your people and Armed Forces resist Putin shows the world your strength as a nation, and the utter disaster modern day fascism brings to countries ruled by it.
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TheBuilder posted:Where is this being reported? Is there a score keeping dashboard somewhere? For real? Maybe in 10-20 years there'll be an accurate count.
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https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1496933090370985986 The blitzkrieg scenario did not go far. I am wondering how the morale among soldiers is on both sides, how interested are contractors to risk a pretty good chance of dying for a mediocre wage?
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Sinteres posted:Ukraine has over 6,000 tanks and Russia has over 12,000. I assume most on either side won't see combat, but even still, there's a lot to go around. Are you sure? The Guardian's visual guide to the invasion (which has been pretty useful: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/23/the-ukraine-russia-crisis-explained-a-complete-visual-guide) states that Ukraine has 858 MBTs + 1,184 additional fighting vehicles vs Russia's 2,840 MBTS + 5,220 additional fighting vehicles.
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ZombieLenin posted:I think someone needs to tell him any one of those three countries could obliterate Russia with their own nuclear arsenals, so maybe let’s not make stupid threats. Rewatch his speech following his meeting with Marcon. He isn't some deranged idiot everyone here says he his. He clearly laid out how he knows his own conventional forces are no match for NATO. He then goes on to imply in any conflict with NATO, he would have no chance but to go nuclear and that is a war that has no winners. His messaging has been consistent and on point for years. Here and no farther - at any cost. E: phone posting is hard
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cinci zoo sniper posted:According to Kyiv Independent, the fight continues. They’re reliable enough for me to want for additional confirmation here. Accompanying rumour mill suggests tanks and artillery involved, with heavy shelling of the airport, which makes sense to me since chances are it’s held by quite literally the best of the best in Russian infantry.
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Pablo Bluth posted:Presumable at this point just shelling the runway to the point that fixed wing landings become impossible would be a gain for Ukraine? Almost definitely yes.
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I really do think Putin got cocky after Georgia and Crimea capitulated so easily. Ukraine really is taking it to the Russians right now it seems, to point that his ego's hurt and he's ranting about nukes again while offering peace at the point of a gun. The more this goes on Russia is just getting embarrassed and NATO is taking notes I think Russian military will study this conflict either way for years to come on what went wrong/ right I'm pretty amazed at Ukraine's sheer tenacity TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Pablo Bluth posted:Presumable at this point just shelling the runway to the point that fixed wing landings become impossible would be a gain for Ukraine? 100 highly trained and reasonably equipped special operation troops should be able to hold that airport for at least a few days, in the sense that holding it means they're still alive. I'm gonna guess that runway isn't usable even now.
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OwlFancier posted:Even if they don't take the airport back, they could presumably move enough AA equipment near it to deny any landings in the area? And the russian forces on the ground presumably will not get any reinforcement otherwise until the land forces get there, at which point it probably doesn't matter who owns the thing. Or they can just continuously crater the runway.
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MeinPanzer posted:Are you sure? The Guardian's visual guide to the invasion (which has been pretty useful: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/23/the-ukraine-russia-crisis-explained-a-complete-visual-guide) states that Ukraine has 858 MBTs + 1,184 additional fighting vehicles vs Russia's 2,840 MBTS + 5,220 additional fighting vehicles. I'm not confident enough to argue with someone whose username is MeinPanzer about it, no.
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MikeC posted:Rewatch his speech following his meeting with Marcon. He isn't some deranged idiot everyone here says he his. He clearly laid out how he knows his own conventional forces are no match for NATO. He then goes on to imply in any conflict with NATO, he would have no chance but to go nuclear and that is a war that has no winners. Nah the problem is Ukraine's independence and economic integration with the EU You need to stop taking the demands of a lying guy credulously
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