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TulliusCicero posted:Whatever it was it was loving huge The main thing could be smaller than it looks, if its really bright - phone cameras would simply blow out the contour.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:The main thing could be smaller than it looks, if its really bright - phone cameras would simply blow out the contour. It had a lot of fuel, that's all we really know.
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https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1497043832168493067?s=20&t=RAOhvs6Ynqj2apR3trNv6A Aircraft might be the thing
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Feb 25, 2022 04:03
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Sounds like a jet https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1497042959186870277
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TulliusCicero posted:Whatever it was it was loving huge Another angle from a repost acocunt. https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497041898980225030 https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497044072665694210 and https://twitter.com/ikhurshudyan/status/1497042194662051843
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1497043832168493067?s=20&t=RAOhvs6Ynqj2apR3trNv6A Its gotta be an aircraft. Way to big and slow for a missile.
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Debris hit an apartment block Looks way too big to be a missile, but also perspective can lie https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1497041898409795585?s=20&t=e0UQWGf39mJjJMg153VEfA
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Play posted:All that aside though, it's inarguable that in its current configuration, the west wants the entire globe to be under a democratic, capitalist system. And that's a big source of the outrage around this invasion. Holy loving poo poo this is really the future. After this poo poo America will be able to do anything and just point at this. This is going to clean the slate completely. Every atrocity is now back on the table and will be defended no problem. America gets an Iraq and a Vietnam now, as a treat. "The west" as much as it exist is completely antithetical to democracy. It only cares about spreading its power using so called "free markets". These are a bunch of ghouls jockeying over power, making what they believe are the best moves on the map. One monster attacking another with a bunch of poor innocent people eating poo poo in the middle. You are a clown rear end motherfucker for typing that post. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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CNN is saying that the Ukrainian minister said the big explosion in the sky was a Russian missile they shot down. I didn't even know Ukrainian AA had that ability. Charliegrs fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1497042959186870277?s=21 I cannot confirm authenticity.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1497043832168493067?s=20&t=RAOhvs6Ynqj2apR3trNv6A Alternative theory is also being floated: https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1497038794796765192
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Play posted:But the fact remains that the overall history of the west is the spreading of democracy across the globe. And even with those exceptions, that is still true of the US. I assume you are aware of all the countries the US DID in fact install democracy in, it's a large number. An even larger number if you consider countries that didn't have democracy installed but instead guided and encouraged to do so. The West's record on spreading democracy is actually really, really bad. A lot of the "democracies" that have been installed were really right-wing dictatorships that had the veneer of democratic institutions but were really just anti-communist.
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Inner Light posted:For those who don't follow nerdy flight stuff, it's been interesting to track USAF Global Hawks. They used to fly GPS tracks very close to the Russian border, today they are interested in the water: Something else I found interesting looking at this, is the two USAF Strato tankers that have been running loops all day near the western ukraine border. What are they refueling? NATO patrols along the border? Theres been 2-3 in the air all day, either over Romania or Poland.
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BigglesSWE posted:https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1497042959186870277?s=21 Yeah those are jet engines. They hit either a transport plane or a fighter.
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Charliegrs posted:CNN is saying that the Ukrainian monster said the big explosion in the sky was a Russian missile they shot down. Starting to get the distinct impression that despite being in Putin's plans for months/years the Russian military was really not prepared for a full-scale invasion past their occupied territories. Or maybe Putin and his generals had only planned to capture that land and something in his brain broke in the days leading up to the war?
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 Anybody know what this is? As has been posted, it probably came off the downed object. Unfortunately some damage on the apartment building it fell on. Hopefully no injuries on the ground, but definitely people displaced from their homes. Gros Tarla posted:Something else I found interesting looking at this, is the two USAF Strato tankers that have been running loops all day near the western ukraine border. What are they refueling? NATO patrols along the border? Yeah, could be anything right? I dunno why the tankers have their transponders on and other stuff doesn't, but obviously what they are refueling has transponders off.
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Inner Light posted:
Brown Moses could probably identify that in 5 minutes
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From this angle I think it's definitely an aircraft of some kind — it looks like there's a trail of flares behind the debris cloud, which obviously didn't work. The real question is what kind of aircraft it was, and what it was doing over Kyiv. Maybe trying to drop a precision munition? If nothing else though, pretty solid evidence that Russia clearly didn't knock out all of Ukraine's air defenses. Unless it's actually a Ukrainian fighter that got smacked by a long-range missile
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah those are jet engines. They hit either a transport plane or a fighter. We can't tell if the thing that's being hit is the thing that made noise, imo.
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Inner Light posted:For those who don't follow nerdy flight stuff, it's been interesting to track USAF Global Hawks. They used to fly GPS tracks very close to the Russian border, today they are interested in the water: You can also see two KC-135's over Poland, and another over Romania. There was a number of blocked ID Illyushin that departed from Lviv and went to Poland, one of them was holding over Lublin for some time. Didn't see where the others went. A C-130 Globe Master has just left Warsaw.
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TulliusCicero posted:Transport plane? (Are they really stupid enough to do another air drop attempt in enemy territory?) That's been the question this whole folly. This is Putin's show. He was willing to tell bald-faced lies to the world. He was willing to bet and lose on a risky operation securing the airport to take Kyiv overnight. 24 hours in, and Kyiv is being moved into despite stronger than expected resilience in less fortified areas.
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Fuuuuck I feel for the people of Ukraine. My Russian history professor was Ukrainian, wacky guy. I should email him.
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Youth Decay posted:Starting to get the distinct impression that despite being in Putin's plans for months/years the Russian military was really not prepared for a full-scale invasion past their occupied territories. Or maybe Putin and his generals had only planned to capture that land and something in his brain broke in the days leading up to the war? This tracks with the idea that Russia really did expect negotiations to work and actually invading was Plan B.
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Youth Decay posted:Starting to get the distinct impression that despite being in Putin's plans for months/years the Russian military was really not prepared for a full-scale invasion past their occupied territories. Or maybe Putin and his generals had only planned to capture that land and something in his brain broke in the days leading up to the war? I think it’s more that Putin and his stooges aren’t as clinical with their strikes as the USA has shown to be in its previous wars. They’re bleeding, but the pressure on the Ukrainian defences must be immense as well.
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Inner Light posted:[timg]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMaR09yX0AERcON?format=jpg&name=large[./timg] The building it fell on, reportedly. Again, a repost account so might not be accurate, but the account has been doing pretty well. (edit- likely from an earlier airstrike) [url]https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497044503018057761[./url] ummel fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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Inner Light posted:
My guess would be they're running transponders on to keep themselves visible to civilian traffic as everything is concentrating through there now the Ukrainian airspace and surrounding areas is a no go. I did briefly see someone pop up on Flighttracker with a callsign of Viper41. Icon was of a 737 sized jet, but 737's arent doing 1000kph...
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ummel posted:The building it fell on, reportedly. Again, a repost account so might not be accurate, but the account has been doing pretty well. I've seen this video reported as one of the buildings hit by the earlier airstrike.
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Everyone on CNN is surprised that Ukraine would have Anti-Missile Defense systems. I suspect so was Putin.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah those are jet engines. They hit either a transport plane or a fighter. They are going to run out of materiel soon, wouldn't you think? And when we start talking about resupplying them it's really going to start feeling like the early 60's.
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the holy poopacy posted:This tracks with the idea that Russia really did expect negotiations to work and actually invading was Plan B. Nah, Putin had to have known none of his demands were non starters, and those were really the only things he had. The invasion was always the plan.
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BigglesSWE posted:I think it’s more that Putin and his stooges aren’t as clinical with their strikes as the USA has shown to be in its previous wars. They’re bleeding, but the pressure on the Ukrainian defences must be immense as well. Ukraine is a far harder opponent than Iraq ever was. Its a modern military with local support of its governent
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so is trying to capture kyiv now a risky gamble or was the thread's assessment that russia wasn't doing as well as it thought it would on day 1 wrong
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https://twitter.com/nolanwpeterson/status/1497045942565883905?s=20&t=RAOhvs6Ynqj2apR3trNv6A My friends and family 
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Comstar posted:Everyone on CNN is surprised that Ukraine would have Anti-Missile Defense systems. Putin knew this would cost him a lot of Russian lives, he simply doesn't care.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah those are jet engines. They hit either a transport plane or a fighter. Could be a bomber aircraft like a Blackjack or Backfire. They were flying some Tupolev Bears in the morning.
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the popes toes posted:They are going to run out of materiel soon, wouldn't you think? And when we start talking about resupplying them it's really going to start feeling like the early 60's. Huh? We've been giving supplies to Ukraine this whole time though
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Play posted:I assume you are aware of all the countries the US DID in fact install democracy in, it's a large number. Maybe this discussion needs to go elsewhere, but like, where did the US install democracy? Maybe Germany and Japan? Most of the time it was dictators who got overthrown and then the people themselves decided on democracy.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I want to guess that, but Ukrainian air defences don't seem to be particularly good, and Russian bombers can all be armed with missiles that would hit Kyiv from Russia's airspace. I'm perplexed as to what this could realistically be. Strategic bomber or one of the larger transports notably russia has seemed hesitant to use much of their higher tech weaponry, so just because they can fit them with long range guided stuff doesn't mean that they will in all cases.
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Inner Light posted:Huh? We've been giving supplies to Ukraine this whole time though yeah, but it seems like an important diplomatic difference between supplying for deterrence and supplying during hostilities
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:so is trying to capture kyiv now a risky gamble or was the thread's assessment that russia wasn't doing as well as it thought it would on day 1 wrong It's been like 24 hours since the invasion began. We don't know what the Russian goal is, we don't know what's happening on the ground really, etc etc. No one knows.
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