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William Bear posted:The Ecumenical Patriarch spoke with the Metropolitan of Ukraine today. I'm pretty ignorant of Eastern Orthodoxy, do the Ecumenial Patriarch's words mean anything in any official or unofficial capacity to believers in other Orthodox churches?
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Kaddish posted:It's been like 24 hours since the invasion began. We don't know what the Russian goal is, we don't know what's happening on the ground really, etc etc. No one knows. Literally fog of war
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CommieGIR posted:Nah, Putin had to have known none of his demands were non starters, and those were really the only things he had. The invasion was always the plan. Even this plan seems weirdly haphazard is the thing. Like, did he think all he had to do was move troops in and they'd all be greeted as liberators or something?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I want to guess that, but Ukrainian air defences don't seem to be particularly good, and Russian bombers can all be armed with missiles that would hit Kyiv from Russia's airspace. I'm perplexed as to what this could realistically be. Russia may not have wanted to waste expensive stand-off weapons if they thought Ukrainian AA was all wiped out. It's possible someone assumed that a conventional bombing run would work fine.
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quarantinethepast posted:Maybe this discussion needs to go elsewhere, but like, where did the US install democracy? Maybe Germany and Japan? Most of the time it was dictators who got overthrown and then the people themselves decided on democracy. We're still riding on those coattails yes, though they were pretty good ones - after they were decimated.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Strategic bomber or one of the larger transports I'll just go to bed choosing to believe you and Commie that it's a transport. No one in Russian army should be stupid enough to fly a stratbomber that low.
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I was about to reply that there's no way in hell Russia would fly strategic bombers like TU95s that low but then I remembered that I'm not a military expert so who the hell knows.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Even this plan seems weirdly haphazard is the thing. Like, did he think all he had to do was move troops in and they'd all be greeted as liberators or something? Multiple pieces of this seem haphazard. Like, why the gently caress did they just send what appears to be one large jet through the middle of Kiev, unguarded? Makes me feel like there could be a significant plan looming that no one has figured out yet, not Clancy posting, it's just weird
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Even this plan seems weirdly haphazard is the thing. Like, did he think all he had to do was move troops in and they'd all be greeted as liberators or something? He doesn’t think Ukrainian people are real and has personally pleaded with Ukrainian soldiers to lay down their arms and join the march on Kyiv so yes probably
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Feb 25, 2022 04:19
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:so is trying to capture kyiv now a risky gamble or was the thread's assessment that russia wasn't doing as well as it thought it would on day 1 wrong Kiev is not far at all from the Belorussian border. Even if they aren't doing as well as they hope, I would be extremely surprised if the Russians don't at least encircle the city within the week. Falling within 2-3 days still remains very plausible.
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Feb 25, 2022 04:20
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Pakled posted:I'm pretty ignorant of Eastern Orthodoxy, do the Ecumenial Patriarch's words mean anything in any official or unofficial capacity to believers in other Orthodox churches? Yes, except for the Moscow Patriarchate, which severed ties in 2018 because...well... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Moscow%E2%80%93Constantinople_schism
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Boris Galerkin posted:1. Why are Turkish drones bombing Russian tanks? Someone posted a tweet some pages back. I guess the question is more along the lines of (if true) why is Turkey directly intervening when the rest of the world won’t? Turkey sold a bunch of drones to Ukraine, possibly after their spectacular tech demo where Azerbaijan summarily dunked on the entire Armenian military in glorious top-down HD
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Even this plan seems weirdly haphazard is the thing. Like, did he think all he had to do was move troops in and they'd all be greeted as liberators or something? Given the crazy narratives of his last 2 speeches, I genuinely believe this may have been the case.
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Feb 25, 2022 04:20
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I've seen this video reported as one of the buildings hit by the earlier airstrike. Would that make it the first civilian building that Russia has attacked? I think all reported targets so far were military.
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Feb 25, 2022 04:20
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CommieGIR posted:Nah, Putin had to have known none of his demands were non starters, and those were really the only things he had. The invasion was always the plan. Really? cuz Zelensky's statement a few hours ago was asking pretty pretty please if they could go back to that now that it's been shown that NATO never actually had his back.
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Charliegrs posted:CNN is saying that the Ukrainian minister said the big explosion in the sky was a Russian missile they shot down. They had a handful of Russian S-300 and Tor systems which you'd think would have been priority #1 for Russia to knock out but if they're shooting down missiles then at least some must still be active.
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Feb 25, 2022 04:21
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the holy poopacy posted:Really? cuz Zelensky's statement a few hours ago was asking pretty pretty please if they could go back to that now that it's been shown that NATO never actually had his back. Source? The last thing I saw was Putin asking for unconditional surrender. Also: Why would Zelensky think NATO had his back? He always knew they didn't because Ukraine is not a member of NATO. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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Pakled posted:I'm pretty ignorant of Eastern Orthodoxy, do the Ecumenial Patriarch's words mean anything in any official or unofficial capacity to believers in other Orthodox churches? There are many patriarchs in eastern orthodoxy. The only one that matters re: Russia is the patriarch of Moscow.
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Feb 25, 2022 04:22
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You can hide AA platforms, they arent that big.
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Feb 25, 2022 04:23
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the holy poopacy posted:Really? cuz Zelensky's statement a few hours ago was asking pretty pretty please if they could go back to that now that it's been shown that NATO never actually had his back. No doubt Zelenskyy wants greater commitment from NATO, but also NATO has never promised him more than he's getting.
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Feb 25, 2022 04:24
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Moscow's intelligence seems completely off throughout this whole thing, their material seems to be uhhhh lacking if that transport plane had it's own tail fall off in Russian airspace, the strategic/ tactical calls are all over the place... ...Does Russia JUST have trollfarms now? Did they sell all their weapons or something and purge their experienced soldiers? How bad off financially is the average Russian? ...Is a covid outbreak amongst Russian forces playing a factor here? I heard they were getting kinda ravaged there. This is NOT the Russian military I was expecting. I'm honestly kinda baffled TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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CommieGIR posted:Source? The last thing I saw was Putin asking for unconditional surrender. The Holy Poopacy was talking about this: Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1496986403649261570?s=20&t=V-iABhGH_AtseYfccyCuIQ I feel like people have been reading these comments differently.
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Despera posted:You can hide AA platforms, they arent that big. and you can move them then hide them again and repeat that process!
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SUNKOS posted:Would that make it the first civilian building that Russia has attacked? I think all reported targets so far were military. No, we've seen visual evidence of struck civilian buildings like ~18 hours ago. Russian precision fire is like American food portions.
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Pakled posted:I'm pretty ignorant of Eastern Orthodoxy, do the Ecumenial Patriarch's words mean anything in any official or unofficial capacity to believers in other Orthodox churches? The Ecumenical Patriarch [of Constantinople] isn't like the Pope, who is head of the entire religious hierarchy of his church. The EP is "first among equals" of the patriarchs and metropolitans of the various autocephalous Orthodox Churches.
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Inner Light posted:Multiple pieces of this seem haphazard. Like, why the gently caress did they just send what appears to be one large jet through the middle of Kiev, unguarded? So far I haven't seen anything that contradicts the "Putin has been huffing his own farts for so long he thinks they smell like perfume" theory. When you live for multiple decades in an environment where nobody ever wants to tell you you're wrong for any reason, ever, you get stupid and overconfident and make a lot of stupid mistakes. It seems more and more like Putin doesn't have a plan beyond "We'll be greeted as liberators!" type overconfident stupidity. Of course, he'll still almost certainly win in the short term.
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Pakled posted:I'm pretty ignorant of Eastern Orthodoxy, do the Ecumenial Patriarch's words mean anything in any official or unofficial capacity to believers in other Orthodox churches? He mostly carries moral authority. He's the first-among-equals for the patriarchs, but not analogous to the Pope for Catholics, for example. And yeah, unfortunately the ROC is currently in schism with the Ecumenical Patriarchate.
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Oh poo poo, European sanctions  we're sanctioning oil https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1497021840572796928 https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1497025749961908226
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SUNKOS posted:Would that make it the first civilian building that Russia has attacked? I think all reported targets so far were military. No. They hit an apartment building by accident yesterday... and right next to hospital today. https://twitter.com/amnesty/status/1496873598153216005?cxt=HHwWisCqueqm-8UpAAAA (Also one can argue about stuff like offices of the defense manufacturer).
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Oh poo poo, European sanctions Holy poo poo that's actually huge if true I never thought the EU would sanction oil in a million years
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Inner Light posted:Multiple pieces of this seem haphazard. Like, why the gently caress did they just send what appears to be one large jet through the middle of Kiev, unguarded? Classics drop: You send in the empty overlords first to soak turret fire, then have your second wave drop the lurkers and zerglings.
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Eric Cantonese posted:The Holy Poopacy was talking about this: Yeah this is different than what he thought Zelensky was saying.
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Huh. I guess the air defenses weren't leveled as we thought this morning
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TulliusCicero posted:Moscow's intelligence seems completely off throughout this whole thing, their material seems to be uhhhh lacking if that transport plane had it's own tail fall off in Russian airspace, the strategic/ tactical calls are all over the place... Maybe Ukraine has double agents that have been feeding the GRU misinformation? Maybe the reason Putin is shuffling around the same units like the 31st VDV from Rostov to Kazakhstan and back to Ukraine is because all his troops are really tied up trying to put down domestic issues?
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 https://t.me/KyivIndependent_official/102Residential building damage, very close hit it seems
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Oh poo poo, European sanctions Am I missing something with this? It seems like they're only sanctioning some of the technology used to refine oil, and maybe only new technology that would be better than the stuff Russia already possesses. It doesn't seem like a direct sanction on the sale of oil itself.
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TulliusCicero posted:Holy poo poo that's actually huge if true surf rock posted:Am I missing something with this? It seems like they're only sanctioning some of the technology used to refine oil, and maybe only new technology that would be better than the stuff Russia already possesses. It doesn't seem like a direct sanction on the sale of oil itself. Her tweets undersell it: quote:Summit conclusions published at the start of the meeting said “these sanctions cover the financial sector, the energy and transport sectors, dual-use goods as well as export and export financing, visa policy,” as well as adding more Russian individuals to an EU travel ban and asset freeze list.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Oh poo poo, European sanctions Where are you seeing oil in there versus parts for refineries? Is it in one of the videos?
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