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cinci zoo sniper posted:So, uh von der Leyen said they would focus on "diversification" to reduce dependence but it didn't sound as though it would happen soon
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small butter posted:I hope you all are right but I really don't get the optimism. The Russian military is significantly better and is vastly more numerous. We're seeing several thousand troops fighting but there's many tens of thousands more Russian troops waiting on the border. The only hope I see is that this will turn into a guerilla warfare situation but with the major cities mostly conquered by Russia, prolonging the bleeding by Russia. I wouldn't be surprised if Kyiv (mostly) falls tomorrow or within the week. It's based on nothing but a belief that the bad guy should also be incompetent. This is huge "the germans are retreating from the Saarland!" feelings until we see concrete on the ground updates.
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DarkCrawler posted:The worst enemy of the Russian military has always and continues to be the Russian conscript. Good thing there's no evidence of conscripts in this invasion
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the popes toes posted:von der Leyen said they would focus on "diversification" to reduce dependence but it didn't sound as though it would happen soon Sounds like more of the same then, cheers.
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A big flaming stink posted:i'd really caution people in this thread to be circumspect about believing what they read on twitter. I can't believe Luigi is trending right now.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:So, uh its worthless without a timeline but lol that they're seriously talking about the one thing that will lead to the collapse of the russian state.
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small butter posted:I hope you all are right but I really don't get the optimism. The Russian military is significantly better and is vastly more numerous. We're seeing several thousand troops fighting but there's many tens of thousands more Russian troops waiting on the border. The only hope I see is that this will turn into a guerilla warfare situation but with the major cities mostly conquered by Russia, prolonging the bleeding by Russia. I wouldn't be surprised if Kyiv (mostly) falls tomorrow or within the week. I don't think anyone is optimistic that Ukraine can win. They're encouraged by the fact that Russia is showing its rear end and taking humiliating losses that they should not be taking. It doesn't mean Ukraine can win, but it does mean that even if Ukraine loses the people are more likely to fight on, and the longer the struggle continues the less likely the international community is to roll over and accept this as the cost of doing business like they did with Crimea and Georgia, and the longer everyone goes without rolling over the more likely it is for Russia to suffer enough to realize that this was a horrific mistake and abandon this idiotic military misadventure and leave Ukraine before it bleeds them dry. To be fair, all of that is ALSO optimism. And a pretty grim optimism, insurgency and occupation resistance isn't going to do the people of Ukraine any favors. But history is full of stories of oppressed people struggling against their oppressors and winning in the long run. The shorter that long run is, the better.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Turkey sold a bunch of drones to Ukraine, possibly after their spectacular tech demo where Azerbaijan summarily dunked on the entire Armenian military in glorious top-down HD the sale predates that by a year or two
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TulliusCicero posted:I'm honestly stunned right now tbh It's been like...a day. You have no idea what is really happening on the ground or where the front lines are right now. A few pages up, someone reported they were in a city that is 60 to 70km deep into Ukrainian territory, have the defenders bottled up and were moving on towards Kyiv the next day. I am sure there were local reversals against the Russians that looked bad. But we have no idea how isolated those incidents are. One botched attack on an airfield isn't the campaign.
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Young Freud posted:What's that comment from Stephen King's "In The Deathroom" about authoritarian governments and their state-run media? They will always report their victories but never their losses, so you can tell when things get bad for them when they just stop reporting them altogether. they'll just make up victories if they have to. there were numerous american ships sunk more than once during the pacific war, according to the japanese government, and often more planes shot down than the americans brought to the battle
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small butter posted:I hope you all are right but I really don't get the optimism. The Russian military is significantly better and is vastly more numerous. We're seeing several thousand troops fighting but there's many tens of thousands more Russian troops waiting on the border. The only hope I see is that this will turn into a guerilla warfare situation but with the major cities mostly conquered by Russia, prolonging the bleeding by Russia. I wouldn't be surprised if Kyiv (mostly) falls tomorrow or within the week. The Russian stock market fell by half yesterday. I am mildly optimistic (in the sense that it could always turn on a dime) because a smoking crater of an economy is maybe the only thing Putin can't survive. Time isn't on their side.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Oh poo poo, European sanctions Ban all oil purchases from Russia, cowards.
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KillHour posted:Ban all oil purchases from Russia, cowards. It's the natural gas that gets ya.
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Small White Dragon posted:So I assume Putin won't complain when the Chinese decide to take back Vladivostock one of these days. Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics might be an interesting read for you, it's essentially Putin's playbook since he came to power.
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China has been eyeing that land to the north/northwest of Manchuria for awhile now\ i like snek https://twitter.com/AubreyBelford/status/1497045428462043136 Despera fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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I admire Zelensky's decision to remain in the country but couldn't you argue it would be a better long-term decision to have a legitimately elected and recognised government in exile in a safe foreign country? Like de Gaulle in WWII?
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freebooter posted:I admire Zelensky's decision to remain in the country but couldn't you argue it would be a better long-term decision to have a legitimately elected and recognised government in exile in a safe foreign country? Like de Gaulle in WWII? de Gaulle wasn't elected, he was a charismatic colonel who refused to surrender and managed to get himself recognized as the leader of the Free French through sheer force of will. For Zelensky, I don't see leaving the country while it's being invaded is a realistic option. It's the same reason as to why the British Royal Family didn't evacuate to Canada during World War II: If you're the leader of a country under attack, then it's hard to order people to fight and die when you're comfortable and safe. Better to risk becoming a martyr than be branded a coward and have the country lose faith in your leadership during its darkest hour.
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tracecomplete posted:It's the natural gas that gets ya. KillHour posted:Ban all
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freebooter posted:I admire Zelensky's decision to remain in the country but couldn't you argue it would be a better long-term decision to have a legitimately elected and recognised government in exile in a safe foreign country? Like de Gaulle in WWII? Its incredibly good for morale from what we are getting a whole lot of folks are deciding to hold their ground. Him fleeing (which is what it would be) would do a lot of damage to that imo. He can still pick a successor and/or whatever their legal documents require to have a legal second if something happens, and just send that one off to saftey.
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freebooter posted:I admire Zelensky's decision to remain in the country but couldn't you argue it would be a better long-term decision to have a legitimately elected and recognised government in exile in a safe foreign country? Like de Gaulle in WWII? Well de Gaulle wasn’t the French leader when their government collapsed and signed the armistice. A better example is the Polish Government in Exile which lasted for 50 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_government-in-exile
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FishBulbia posted:Good thing there's no evidence of conscripts in this invasion The Grandmothers of Russia said their grandsons were getting sent over.
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Telsa Cola posted:I'm pretty far removed from the cold war age wise so I just realized this must be insane for people who lived through tensions with the USSR. Yea Sucks to be right Putin, like me, remembers when the USSR was badass, huge, and feared. The equal to the US practically. The West is weak, falling apart, and massively divided. Plus this will help reelect idiots here imo He's doing it because he can get away with it and he thinks it will make himself and Russia stronger. The USSR had a shitton of satellite states that did Moscows explicit bidding.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Air raid sirens going off in the Kyiv livestream. Those sirens are haunting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIPNVm6lNfM
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FishBulbia posted:Good thing there's no evidence of conscripts in this invasion A hefty percentage of the Russian military is conscripted so it would be more surprising if there weren't conscripts involved.
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Relevant Tangent posted:The Grandmothers of Russia said their grandsons were getting sent over. Yeah, it was mentioned that conscripts were being forced to sign professional contracts, since regular conscripts can't be deployed in a conflict like this. Dunno if it's true, just repeating what I've read in this thread.
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https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497077886037151761?s=20&t=QPmpY1rYPpFYn_KKOm5LnA Ukrainian MoD reporting anti-air units were able to prevent two missile attacks on Kyiv.
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Mental Hospitality posted:Those sirens are haunting. It's haunting to see so little traffic, and somewhat nice, if shocking, to see people being so diligent about safe driving.
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Anubis posted:It's haunting to see so little traffic, and somewhat nice, if shocking, to see people being so diligent about safe driving. And to imagine there are people still getting up to do their day to day work under the threat of imminent attack as if nothing was going on.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:A hefty percentage of the Russian military is conscripted so it would be more surprising if there weren't conscripts involved. Russia has +400k contractors they'll use em first, don't doubt that they'll press kids to sign up though
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Spinz posted:Yea This kinda makes Putin sound like the Uncle Rico of statesmen
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FishBulbia posted:Russia has +400k contractors they'll use em first, don't doubt that they'll press kids to sign up though Granted, you can become contracted at 19 after your first year is up and you want to stay. So lots of 19-year-olds with 1 year + 1 day of experience, who are technically classified as professional soldiers now.
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a sexual elk posted:Putin says Ukraine isn’t a real country because it was once part of old Russia? Can some Scandinavian country just say Russia isn’t a thing because it’s just an old Viking tribe? Israel says this about Palestine and the USA gives them billions a year. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Relevant Tangent posted:Still can't believe they thought they could take the airport and then have troops come in to make sure the initial troops had back-up. Every decade or so we have to relearn that dropping a bunch of paratroopers deep in enemy territory is basically just a death sentence.
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