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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I could be mistaken but I mean, while popular revolt is always a threat, with a dictatorship - especially one like Russia - isn't the popularity that really matters not 'how popular is the dictator with the masses?' but rather 'how popular is the dictator with the generals, the ministers, and the other power brokers and authority figures?' I think another sticking point for any popular revolt is who can people unite behind? You usually have multiple aggrieved parties willing to start a ruckus, but everybody wants to be the one in charge. This may be a testament to how good Putin has been at putting people down, but it doesn't look to me like any single person or party in Russia could get that critical mass. Navalny struck me as having that problem. And, as theRat pointed out, I think he has some "problematic" nationalist stances too. (Could anyone succeed in Russia without some element of that, though?)
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TheRat posted:Am I misremembering or is Navalny a right wing psycho that compared muslims to cockroaches that had to be exterminated? I can't speak for whether he's right-of-"Average western-European political center" or has xenophobic views, but he's much better known for being an outspoken critic of Putin who survived being poisoned, managed to get to Germany for treatment and recovery, afterward helping OSINT people document the entire plot to poison him (including at one point personally cold-calling some of the russian agents involved and tricking them into confessing details about the plot while being recorded), then voluntarily flying back to Russia despite the certainty that Putin would have him imprisoned on trumped of charges. Slashrat fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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Mokotow posted:For any one willing to chip in gas money, you can paypal me @kylofon . Don’t need much but it’d help. Thanks! Do uhh, do you have a venmo
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ronya posted:On the Russian FSB and polling: https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1497302149486858241 This actually fits in well with Putin trying to appeal to a military coup. He thought the military was the only thing Ukrainians would rally around. Although why he thought they could be convinced to support him I have no idea. He may not have. Slashrat posted:I can't speak for whether he's right-of-"Average western-European political center" or has xenophobic views, but he's much better known for being an outspoken critic of Putin who survived being poisoned, managed to get to Germancy for treatment and recovery, afterward helping OSINT people document the entire plot to poison him (including at one point personally cold-calling some of the russian agents involved and tricking them into confessing details about the plot while being recorded), then voluntarily flying back to Russia despite the certainty that Putin would have him imprisoned on trumped of charges. The statement everyone is referring to is from 2007, 15 years ago now. And yes it was gross and wrong but not contrary to general Russian sentiment at the time. Agreed that primarily he is known for being brutalized by Putin for the crime of merely criticizing the regime and attempting to offer an alternative.
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Josef bugman posted:If we aren't allowed to chat about WW3 or nuclear stuff, is there a sensible place in the forums to discuss this at the moment? call your therapist
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Mayor of Kiev said that Russia had destroyed the city's power plant. The Mayor of Kyiv loving Vitali Klitschko and Wladimir Klitschko, who enlisted in their reserve army. Woe to the unfortunate person that runs out of bullets and gets punched the gently caress out by their bare hands.
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Josef bugman posted:If we aren't allowed to chat about WW3 or nuclear stuff, is there a sensible place in the forums to discuss this at the moment? There is no case where a nuclear exchange would happen unless Putin is just that far gone. Chill. He wants Ukraine. He is likely going to get it.
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ranbo das posted:Tanks need to pull in air from somewhere for the crew to breathe and it can't be on the underside (dust and mud from normal operations can block them), which does result in certain places that a sustained fire will make the crew have a bad time. Tanks and BMP's are ABC-warfare proof, and if they are not troubled by chemical weapons then they are not going to be bothered by a little smoke on the outside. Now if the engine catches fire then that's a problem, but since late WW2 tank engines have been designed to be much more resilient from that perspective. IFV's and APC's also have rifle ports on the sides so even if the grunts are sitting inside they can keep an eye out and shoot someone sneaking toward them. Things like these can be done, but if I had to put money on a mechanized platoon on one side and a bunch of civilians with volatile bottles on the other, I wouldn't expect great odds for my bet but I know that I would get my money back.
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MadJackal posted:Given how far inside the Russian offensive plans the US has been, this is ominous to say the least. This makes no god drat sense. If Putin is/has been planning to poke the NATO bear, doing so while/shortly after taking over a massive unrelated country would be a terrible idea. This has got to be a fig leaf explanation for moving troops and resources close to the Ukrainian border, presumably to defend the various arm shipments coming in to Ukraine. Yet again, "There's no way Putin is that stupid" does not have a great track record as a logical argument these days...
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Mooseontheloose posted:I know during the Cuba Missile Crisis the US still had people they could trust in the Kremlin to tell them what's going on. Does that still exist now? Like if Putin said, let's attack Poland does he have any generals that would stop him? Are you asking if there are people in Russia’s military that will do the right thing that we have a back channel to? I would assume so. We demonstrated that we have that to China on Jan 6th. It’s why the whole notion the world will end in nuclear apocalypse is crazed. Betty Wight fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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Josef bugman posted:If we aren't allowed to chat about WW3 or nuclear stuff, is there a sensible place in the forums to discuss this at the moment? Probably start your own thread for it, or go post in a different forum about it.
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Just Chamber posted:That Ukrainian ex president rules and I hope he survives, also I hope he's using his billions to hire as many PMCs as possible to come to Ukraine and fight some Russians. What's weird is, wasn't he the pro-Russia candidate, where in some ways him losing to Zelensky set all of this in motion? Or was that someone else?
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KitConstantine posted:Statement on CNN from former Ukranian President Poroshenko in Kyiv. You can tell he's emotional Geopolitics aside the willingness to stand against invasion and tyranny by the Ukranian people is legitimately inspiring. Their willingness to sacrifice their lives to repel this bastard is unlike anything quite like I have ever seen
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hobbez posted:Geopolitics aside the willingness to stand against invasion and tyranny by the Ukranian people is legitimately inspiring. Their willingness to sacrifice their lives to repel this bastard is unlike anything quite like I have ever seen It reminds me of the brave people across the Arab world who took part in the Arab Spring.
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Aramis posted:This makes no god drat sense. If Putin is/has been planning to poke the NATO bear, doing so while/shortly after taking over a massive unrelated country would be a terrible idea. This has got to be a fig leaf explanation for moving troops and resources close to the Ukrainian border, presumably to defend the various arm shipments coming in to Ukraine. I suspect in so far as the statement is not a fig leaf, it is more an assertion that Putin doesn't just want to liberate the poor oppressed Russophones or even "just" to knock over Ukraine, but rather that afterwards he would retrench and try to keep pushing, at best after a period of rebuilding his forces and/or passing it on to someone else.
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Joink posted:https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1497303747357298689?t=oRZ5jHU1u0-14rpcF4E9ZA&s=19 I forgot how loving big those are.
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History gave Ukraine a real bad hand in general. Ground is soaked in blood and radiation to a stupendous degree at this point.
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Joink posted:https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1497303747357298689?t=oRZ5jHU1u0-14rpcF4E9ZA&s=19 They frequently move around, that's by design. Russia moves them on and off to ensure they are harder to spot.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I know during the Cuba Missile Crisis the US still had people they could trust in the Kremlin to tell them what's going on. Does that still exist now? Like if Putin said, let's attack Poland does he have any generals that would stop him? Every country has a dedicated intelligence service whose job is to spy on other countries via various means. Russia is high on everyone's list in terms of "we need to know what they're doing." Which countries have been successful with that, and how successful they've been is an open question nobody here can answer. To your second question - I'd say it's less likely that the US or any other country has someone in a position to stop Putin. His inner circle will all be people he's known personally for years, if not decades - and he's spent decades already getting rid of everyone he doesn't like or doesn't believe is loyal.
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BigglesSWE posted:History gave Ukraine a real bad hand in general. Ground is soaked in blood and radiation to a stupendous degree at this point. This video is from the Chernobyl series, and this conversation never happened in real life, but man does it feel like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvod3T945ds
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fatherboxx posted:My favorite video of the day I feel like I can sympathize with the kid. Dunno how he ended up in this position, but imagine not wanting this war and being told to invade a country from which you might have friends, family, teachers, etc. Maybe he decided this is the most impactful thing he can do for what he believes (if that's actually how he feels)
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Play posted:What's weird is, wasn't he the pro-Russia candidate, where in some ways him losing to Zelensky set all of this in motion? Or was that someone else? No, he is to the right from Zelensky and his gung ho, antagonistic approach to the crisis has costed Ukraine lots of lives and made him a one-term president He is a bastard but the sweets from his Roshen factories are very good
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CommieGIR posted:There is no case where a nuclear exchange would happen unless Putin is just that far gone. Chill. He wants Ukraine. He is likely going to get it. ....do we know for sure when he was last seen alive & well?
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Vaginaface posted:Do uhh, do you have a venmo I don’t but goons have been generous friend everyone should be well off tonight I’m standing in a line of cars at the border. Every once in a while some young dude will come up and ask if in going into Ukraine. These guys are coming back to join the army, but since the crossing is car only, they need to get into somebody’s car. Its all very strange and depressing. This is my view for the past 3 hours. Ill try to get a photo of the kitteh once it immigrates. 
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CommieGIR posted:This video is from the Chernobyl series, and this conversation never happened in real life, but man does it feel like that: Exactly what I was thinking of as I wrote.
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Josef bugman posted:If we aren't allowed to chat about WW3 or nuclear stuff, is there a sensible place in the forums to discuss this at the moment? There's no sensible place to talk about WW3 because talking about WW3 isn't sensible.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Haven't seen this posted here yet, but it looks like NATO is gearing up. Yeah I doubt this is over after Ukraine. Russia is gonna ramp up hybrid warfare dramatically. More cyberattacks, more murders, more nerve agent attacks, state terrorism, provide weapons, explosives and funding to Nazis and fascists, etc. The fucker has completely lost his marbles and I think they are gone for good,.fell down some storm drain or something
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TheRat posted:There's no sensible place to talk about WW3 because talking about WW3 isn't sensible. Agreed. That's our main concern is a WW3 hypotheticals thread will just make people unnecessarily anxious
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Joink posted:https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1497303747357298689?t=oRZ5jHU1u0-14rpcF4E9ZA&s=19 Probably real, it doesn't really matter where they put those, hence INTERCONTINENTAL Ballistic Missile. I imagine they move the mobile launchers around all the time, kind of the point of having them mobile. Honestly if I was Russia (glad I'm not suck it Putin) I would put them in the middle of Siberia and never anywhere near the front or my population centers.
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Betty Wight posted:Are you asking if there are people in Russia’s military that will do the right thing that we have a back channel to? I would assume so. We demonstrated that we have that to China on Jan 6th. It’s why the whole notion the world will end in nuclear apotheosis is crazed. Can you give me a rundown on what happened on Jan 6th with China?
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