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Blitz of 404 Error posted:Pretty sure it was Ukrainian Spetsnaz Them as well, but it was also some rapid response unit of the national guard.
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Blitz of 404 Error posted:Pretty sure it was Ukrainian Spetsnaz It was a mixed force iirc. Spetsnaz doesn't tend to roll around with tanks.
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Comstar posted:https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497381890386497543?s=20&t=mDiEV7BHn7G5XKl_uhtbtQ this has to be the only way a zoo could be more depressing
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Betty Wight posted:Let’s also point out, for all the US’s issues, it’s military is battle hardened after literally decades of fighting. We have no absence of experience. There is no modern rival to the US war machine. Oh, no argument; and as a reminder, on your typical day I am a Marxist who abhors what the United States does with its military, so I am not doing a flag waiving "USA! We're badass!" I am just trying to offer a clear assessment of the facts of the matter. Putin's war has demonstrated the United States Armed Forces is orders of magnitude more capable than what most professional military analysts have rated the second best military on Earth. This has to be absolutely eye opening for a lot of people in the American, Russian, and Chinese governments for very different reasons.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:https://twitter.com/hayesbrown/status/1496710912648044548?s=21 Yeah its old and pretty sure got debunked. Russia got adopted into the UN after the USSR fell.
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ZombieLenin posted:This pretty much should tell you all you need to know. The Russian soldiers involved were from the 11th Guards Air Assault Brigade. This is elite airborne infantry. The closest American analog I can think is that this would be like sending in part of the US 82nd Airborne Division and then having those soldiers get their asses kicked by Ukrainian national guard. Kaufman said 31st was there. 11th we had 2 POWs of somewhere else. Not to nitpick, 31st is flying Russian MARSOC.
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Betty Wight posted:Let’s also point out, for all the US’s issues, it’s military is battle hardened after literally decades of fighting. We have no absence of experience. There is no modern rival to the US war machine. This winds up being overrated. The US does have an unmatched war machine, but even so the lessons learned in Iraq and Afghanistan might not carry to the next war and reconfiguring training/tactics/etc. for the next one isn’t easy. The most battle hardened of soldiers our are probably getting out, suffering from physical/mental injuries, or are going to be aging out of being effective in line units pretty quickly. We wage war with overwhelming combined arms. That’s the doctrine. And it’s recently proven to be useless in the kind of poo poo Russia is attempting right now. Punching a conventional army in the face during an invasion is a fraction of what’s necessary.
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Majorian posted:Please don't make generalizations like this. It's extremely unfair; most zealous American leftists don't support Putin, and we're definitely better than the extreme right. I don't see widespread condemnation of Putin in Our Leftist Forum. Quite the opposite, really.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Not that I have seen, but this person essentially says that there’s no absolute evidence to prove it. In absence of them having a way to get radio backups from Russian navy, there’s likewise then no evidence to disprove it. Consequently, what normal people should do is avoid writing 875 page thesis on the geostrategic implications of that verbal argument, and just move on. To discuss it at lengths serves no purpose other than to hear yourself talking.
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Blitz of 404 Error posted:Pretty sure it was Ukrainian Spetsnaz National Guard Rapid Response Brigade did force Russians off the airfield, and VDV Spetsnaz was then hunting stragglers in nearby town and forest.
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Omon Ra posted:Yeah, this is absolutely a "masks off" moment for zealous American leftists. No better than the extreme right, just bloodthirsty, clueless morons all around. i recommend you do not take seriously anything posted on twitter, and absolutely do not use it as the basis to form judgments about the sentiments of all leftists in america
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Human rights watch confirmed that Russian sluster munitions were used *near a hospital in Ukraine https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/02/25/ukraine-russian-cluster-munition-hits-hospital *edited to near, but c'mon
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A big flaming stink posted:i recommend you do not take seriously anything posted on twitter, No I refuse. the ghost of Kyiv is real, Ukraine’s taking Russia’s security council seat, and Ukrainians are tracking Russian troop movements by monitoring Grindr.
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Feb 26, 2022 02:55
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It doesn't seem like there is any shred of possibility that Putin gets anything he wanted out of this. With a failed blitzkrieg, diplomatic and financial isolation, and now it seems clear, the promise of unending violent citizen resistence, what can he possibly salvage? I initially figured he'd dismantle Ukrainian military and call it a day, just to present to the world as determined and dangerous. But now? For Putin? Nothing. What a miscalculation. He's finished. Not yet, but this will finish him.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:No I refuse. the ghost of Kyiv is real, Ukraine’s taking Russia’s security council seat, and Ukrainians are tracking Russian troop movements by monitoring Grindr. https://twitter.com/KrisGoldsmith85/status/1497360394570108933?s=20&t=2x7H1IJQZKYUEadn1lAywg
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khwarezm posted:I don't really get the tone of this post, its one of the most prominent pieces of video I'm seeing floating around on the internet concerning the war so far and has gotten lots of people fired up. Is it really beyond the pale to ask about whether or not its giving the full picture? You should read the article if you haven't though if you are asking these questions. Upon reading it I don't agree that it calls everything into question like that tweet reposting it suggest, it mostly questions the chronology of events and exactly what happened when the Russians took the island and whether some recordings from the island (which it says are almost certainly from the island), which have it may have had the audio recording of the exchange between the garrison and the warship grafted on, though it doesn't appear conclusive in suggesting it.
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the popes toes posted:It doesn't seem like there is any shred of possibility that Putin gets anything he wanted out of this. The OG blitzkrieg took like 40 days. It's been two days and the Russians are fighting in Kyiv, so their blitzkrieg is actually going pretty well even if it fell short of their wildly optimistic expectations.
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Russians trying to take another airport, hard to say how it's going https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497389484362461187?t=09grdnywDQBLQolF1H72UQ&s=19 Also Russia was using mechanical turks to aid their targeting. Gives some credence to the claims I've seen that Russian saboteurs are marking buildings for airstrikes/specific handling https://twitter.com/hiddenmarkov/status/1497351111656751109?t=WHIHzLIYsho7FnjVDBK0GQ&s=19
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khwarezm posted:I don't really get the tone of this post, its one of the most prominent pieces of video I'm seeing floating around on the internet concerning the war so far and has gotten lots of people fired up. Is it really beyond the pale to ask about whether or not its giving the full picture? It’s definitely not beyond pale to ask that. It’s a relatively clear cut case of limited information availability - we can only reasonably confirm that Ukrainian soldiers told the ship to gently caress off, and we’re fired upon; if you believe Ukrainian government - that they are dead, and that the island is lost. No amount of further bloviating over 7 tweets is going to move the needle from “at least some of it happened” to “definitely true” or “definitely false”, so I can only ask myself why are they fixated on wasting their time on the question. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Feb 26, 2022 |
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OctaMurk posted:The OG blitzkrieg took like 40 days. It's been two days and the Russians are fighting in Kyiv, so their blitzkrieg is actually going pretty well even if it fell short of their wildly optimistic expectations.  had three million men for the Battle of France. I do not think Putin has that deep a bench.
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Yeah, there's no possibility of any kind of truce negotiations until Russia has killed the Ukrainian government and other politically important targets hiding in Kyiv. Unless there's a regime change, Putin will not be able to say that he has achieved the goals laid out in his speech.
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KitConstantine posted:Russians trying to take another airport, hard to say how it's going Seems that now would be a good time for Bezos to get some positive PR and disable MT (and the rest of Amazon) in Russia.
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Randarkman posted:You should read the article if you haven't though if you are asking these questions. Upon reading it I don't agree that it calls everything into question like that tweet reposting it suggest, it mostly questions the chronology of events and exactly what happened when the Russians took the island and whether some recordings from the island (which it says are almost certainly from the island), which have it may have had the audio recording of the exchange between the garrison and the warship grafted on, though it doesn't appear conclusive in suggesting it. Which is fair enough, I just want to be cautious about swallowing every inspiring story I encounter considering the vested interests various sides have in pushing them. Like I'm highly skeptical of the Ghost of Kiev thing and and in a lot of the internet that's been spun into some pretty wild directions, regardless of one's stance on its use for lifting people's spirits.
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Kill All Cops posted:I don't see widespread condemnation of Putin in Our Leftist Forum. Quite the opposite, really. Actually, ADTRW posters have been quite unanimous in their condemnation of Putin. It's Coupons I'd be concerned about. If you have concerns about what's happening in other forums, take it to the mods of those forums or QCS, thanks.
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Youth Decay posted:Seems that now would be a good time for Bezos to get some positive PR and disable MT (and the rest of Amazon) in Russia. To be clear, I was using mechanical turks as shorthand - it wasn't Amazon's platform. But this would be a very good thing, yes
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There’s a whole lot of people ready to declare the war a failure 2 days into it, with the defenders fighting around the capital, doing all kinds of psychological pop culture hot takes, and with an incredibly thick fog of war and propaganda blaring full volume. cinci zoo sniper posted:National Guard Rapid Response Brigade did force Russians off the airfield, and VDV Spetsnaz was then hunting stragglers in nearby town and forest. Vdv are Russian paratroopers. Russian special forces were hunting themselves? hump day bitches! fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Feb 26, 2022 |
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Fritz the Horse posted:Actually, ADTRW posters have been quite unanimous in their condemnation of Putin. It's Coupons I'd be concerned about. It would appear that you haven't been reading those forums recently, but thank you for the advice.
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KitConstantine posted:Also Russia was using mechanical turks to aid their targeting. Gives some credence to the claims I've seen that Russian saboteurs are marking buildings for airstrikes/specific handling Google will do it for free. https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497387050194120709?s=20&t=RDCY66qMLeT-1kvHQ_9kfQ
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I feel like it's worth pointing out again that leftists being pro-Putin is not a thing in Europe. The only Putin support you will find there is among the far right shitheads. So this seems to be largely a US phenomenon. Why this is I cannot say for certain but I would vager it has something to do with the US never having had a proper mainstream left movement. The US left is also a pretty young movement compared to the European one, which had to deal with and learn from these kind of situations during the world wars and cold war of the 1900s. A mature left would never take the side of the invading authoritarian major power in a conflict like this and it's quite hard to look at the US leftist movment acting so naively in the matter, but it's understandable in the way that the left in most of the rest of the world has about 100+ years on their US counterparts.
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OctaMurk posted:The OG blitzkrieg took like 40 days. It's been two days and the Russians are fighting in Kyiv, so their blitzkrieg is actually going pretty well even if it fell short of their wildly optimistic expectations. Yeah, you're right. But I can't shake the feeling that, as far as invasions go, this has gone horribly (wonderfully) wrong for the Russians in terms of price and what appears that they will have to pay in the future. Does anyone think if Putin knew then what he knows now, he would still do this? I don't think I do.
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khwarezm posted:Like I'm highly skeptical of the Ghost of Kiev thing and and in a lot of the internet that's been spun into some pretty wild directions, regardless of one's stance on its use for lifting people's spirits. Ok... It's almost certainly people collating and exaggerating a number of separate incidents that may or may not involve the same person into a legend essentially. Happy?
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah its old and pretty sure got debunked. Russia got adopted into the UN after the USSR fell. It did, but I think the argument is that the original permanent Security Council members were (and still are) specified in the U.N. Charter (Article 23: The Security Council shall consist of fifteen Members of the United Nations. The Republic of China, France, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America shall be permanent members of the Security Council.), so a later agreement couldn't really alter that. quote:But why did Russia get the USSR’s seat following its dissolution? In 1991, the Alma-Ata Protocol was signed by the majority of Soviet republics, declaring the end of the Soviet Union and agreeing that Russia would take over the USSR’s seat. Russia then wrote to the UN requesting that the name USSR be amended to Russian Federation and that nothing else would change. https://www.kcl.ac.uk/ukraine-invasion-should-russia-lose-its-seat-on-the-un-security-council But ultimately, whether or not there's something to it, it's not going to happen, for a variety of reasons. Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Feb 26, 2022 |
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Cirvot posted:I feel like it's worth pointing out again that leftists being pro-Putin is not a thing in Europe. The only Putin support you will find there is among the far right shitheads. This is not true. A significant amount of both sideism and ”NATO causing this” exist in Europe at this moment.
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khwarezm posted:Which is fair enough, I just want to be cautious about swallowing every inspiring story I encounter considering the vested interests various sides have in pushing them. Like I'm highly skeptical of the Ghost of Kiev thing and and in a lot of the internet that's been spun into some pretty wild directions, regardless of one's stance on its use for lifting people's spirits. Yeah, same. Speaking as someone from peripherical country that gets its rear end kicked by the world powers, that kind of thing is inevitable. Sometimes it has a grain of truth, but very often it's just something to let people feel someone somewhere if punching back and actually hitting. In the occupation of Iraq, they had this sniper called "the lion" that supposed was killing US troops by the dozen and nobody could catch him! Who cares if they got rolled and have rude foreigners patrolling their streets and searching their homes, the Lion will get them someday! Palestinians have had a series of heroic soldiers who managed to knock out an armored vehicle, or hang-glided into a israeli base and shot several troopers. My personal hope is that Russia is bled white in this horrible bungle and becomes a spent force, meaning Putin's successor will have to give back whatever they gain in a sane diplomacy round in a year or so. But it really looks that the second largest country of Europe, despite putting some good resistance here and there, has its capital under assault 2 days into the invasion. I'd be looking for any sign of hope as well, that the husk or an armored vehicle shown on Twitter was a big loss for the invaders and not just something their doctrine absorbs.
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