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Kazinsal posted:Because their idea of leftism is just “america bad” and not any actual critical understanding of leftist theory beyond the summaries they get from youtube. Yeah, I used to have to mod the tankie thread in PYF. it was mostly a rhetorical question as my head went to the desk. They’re the same people who praise the anti imperialist efforts of the IJA.
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This is me stepping in to gently steer this thread away from circling jerking about how dumb CSPAM is and back towards more productive conversation.
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facialimpediment posted:aaaaaand Issue Letter of Marque and let Prize Courts deal with it
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Because I'm a masochist, I'm curious as to what Jeremy Corbyn's inevitably stupid take on this war is, but I haven't been able to find a decent source about what he's said (that isn't barking mad in one direction or the other). Anyone know a good source?
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The big fish connected with Russia have been very quiet online imo
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Feb 27, 2022 02:14
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God DAMNIT, Reel big fish too? E:oh
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Yeah, I used to have to mod the tankie thread in PYF. it was mostly a rhetorical question as my head went to the desk. They’re the same people who praise the anti imperialist efforts of the IJA. God drat I missed that thread it was hilarious.
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I figure once Lukashenko kicks the bucket Putin and his cronies just want to straight up annex Belarus.
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Tenchrono posted:God DAMNIT, Reel big fish too? Sellouts
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Kazinsal posted:I wonder what cspam’s thoughts on the Holodomor are. Not having any context for a thread but I'm assuming its something along the lines of "Churchill did the same thing in India a few years later and nobody gives a gently caress so something else is up with anyone that brings it up".
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Ugly In The Morning posted:They’re the same people who praise the anti imperialist efforts of the IJA. This is not an exaggeration by the way. Whole bunch of people who argue the Empire of Japan was anti-imperialist. Not even counting the Japanese right wing!
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Grand Fromage posted:This is not an exaggeration by the way. Whole bunch of people who argue the Empire of Japan was anti-imperialist. Not even counting the Japanese right wing! Clearly, they did a good number on the British empire and the little bits of America's attempt at having a colonial empire.
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I wonder if capturing Chernobyl was something to do with this. Just crack the case and let nature do the rest.
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quote:the solution of the Ukrainian question Yo, the last time we had "the solution of the (insert Ethnic Group or Country Name here) question", things got hellaciously bad.
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Seattle protest was great! 500-1000 people turned up—hard to tell from on the ground. A number of local representatives turned up to speak in support.Kazinsal posted:I wonder what cspam’s thoughts on the Holodomor are.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I wonder if capturing Chernobyl was something to do with this. Just crack the case and let nature do the rest. You can't blame that on the ukrainians  To get the response they'd want, you'd have to attack some russian city.Cherobyl was captured because it's on the way.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I wonder if capturing Chernobyl was something to do with this. Just crack the case and let nature do the rest. Unlikely, far more likely the capture of Chernobyl was more to do with the power substation still located in the area, as well as securing a road route for movement of equipment and personnel out of Belarus. Also have to remember to take things with a grain of salt, breathless extreme hyperbolic tweets are liable to be propaganda bullshit.
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Also on the reports of downed IL76s, decent chance to be propaganda bullshit unless there's video of a burning IL76 falling out of the sky, since a shootdown of one of those aircraft would be a big propaganda coup. It's really hard to hide 130 tons of aircraft hitting the ground and third party intel would have likely confirmed the downing of those aircraft if they crashed, because satellite imagery would have shown it. Not saying Ukrainian twitter is lying about IL-76 shootdowns, just, be cautious about taking it at its word.
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orange juche posted:Also on the reports of downed IL76s, decent chance to be propaganda bullshit unless there's video of a burning IL76 falling out of the sky, since a shootdown of one of those aircraft would be a big propaganda coup. It's really hard to hide 130 tons of aircraft hitting the ground and third party intel would have likely confirmed the downing of those aircraft if they crashed, because satellite imagery would have shown it. Not saying Ukrainian twitter is lying about IL-76 shootdowns, just, be cautious about taking it at its word. I thought there was confirmation from the US?
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I thought there was confirmation from the US? If the US has confirmed a shootdown, then yeah they probably got shot down then. When I saw the tweets it hadn't been substantiated by a third party yet.
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orange juche posted:Also on the reports of downed IL76s, decent chance to be propaganda bullshit unless there's video of a burning IL76 falling out of the sky, since a shootdown of one of those aircraft would be a big propaganda coup. It's really hard to hide 130 tons of aircraft hitting the ground and third party intel would have likely confirmed the downing of those aircraft if they crashed, because satellite imagery would have shown it. Not saying Ukrainian twitter is lying about IL-76 shootdowns, just, be cautious about taking it at its word. I don't believe four have been downed, not without hard evidence. But there seems to be evidence of at least one?
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orange juche posted:If the US has confirmed a shootdown, then yeah they probably got shot down then. When I saw the tweets it hadn't been substantiated by a third party yet. Supposedly AWACS operating over the Polish border saw it go in.
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orange juche posted:If the US has confirmed a shootdown, then yeah they probably got shot down then. When I saw the tweets it hadn't been substantiated by a third party yet. Disregard. Also, if you see a picture of an Il-76 ball turret, it's probably from 2014: https://theaviationist.com/2022/02/26/two-il-76s-shot-down-in-ukraine/
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I wonder if capturing Chernobyl was something to do with this. Just crack the case and let nature do the rest. When Putin said Ukraine isn't a real country he didn't mean it in a nation-state sense, he meant it in a "this land will be uninhabitable" sense.
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Oh, wonderful: https://thebulletin.org/2022/02/us-official-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-risks-release-of-dangerous-pathogens/
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This is the third time I've posted this in this thread. https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497430637166407686 The two IL-76s reported shot down yesterday were confirmed by the US via an AWACS on the Polish border. Ukraine has reported today that two more IL-76s were shot down. These two have not been confirmed by the US at this time.
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I understand shooting those down is a big deal, but how much of a big deal would a loss of 4 be?
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Discussion Quorum posted:Also: the Ukrainian defense is a shambles, the offensive is all going according to plan. See, this translated Soviet doctrine document I found will clear this all up. That one's even better, because it's a 2016 Fort Leavenworth document analyzing Russian doctrine from a US perspective. The purpose is to instruct Americans and allies on how the west thinks Russia wants to fight. So if you read how that says it is supposed to go versus what is happening, you get what happens so often in any doctrine vs reality check. I mean, in US doctrine, you're not supposed to lose comms and get lost or bogged down in your convoy, but that poo poo happens plenty. Instead they're just reading how it ought to go, then trying to find a way to confirm piecemeal highly imperfect tweets into "ah ha, this is all running perfectly. If anything, running out of fuel is a sign of too much Russian success!" Of course, plenty of pro-Ukraine people are taking it as a sign of success that random civilians are having to build molotov cocktails and running around with armbands on, which... well, it's not the same as instant capitulation, but it's not a great part of a modern defense...
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Pine Cone Jones posted:I understand shooting those down is a big deal, but how much of a big deal would a loss of 4 be? Imagine you’re trying to hammer a nail in a board but you hit your dick with the hammer. Then you do it again. Then you do it two more times. The damage is the same every time but at some point people start wondering why you never learned to not hit your dick with a hammer.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Oh, wonderful: https://thebulletin.org/2022/02/us-official-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-risks-release-of-dangerous-pathogens/ If that's really a risk the labs should just burn all their samples before anything stupid happens. Any naturally occurring disease will be straightforward to reacquire and any of the esoteric BW poo poo should probably just go away for the good of mankind.
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Pine Cone Jones posted:I understand shooting those down is a big deal, but how much of a big deal would a loss of 4 be? Numbers-wise, not a huge deal. Something like a thousand or more Il-76s have been built. Morale and manpower wise? I think the estimate is that an average of 150 paratroopers or so can fit into an Il-76 with the ability to drop materiel as well.
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Pine Cone Jones posted:I understand shooting those down is a big deal, but how much of a big deal would a loss of 4 be? The Russian Air Force has hundreds of them. How many are flightworthy is the real question. In this particular case the loss of the paratroopers and pilots are more valuable physically and metaphysically as they can't be readily replaced.
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Pine Cone Jones posted:I understand shooting those down is a big deal, but how much of a big deal would a loss of 4 be? That would be two big deals.
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Ukraine has claimed something wild like 5 or more IL-76s or something since this kicked off, there should be an absolute poo poo ton of photo proof that can have the metadata verified of these shoot downs. I'd be cautious even trusting the AP in a fog of war situation unless they disclose their sources for their report. Everyone's after clicks and engagement because Ukraine is the hottest scoop on the planet right now, and if you can rush to post the headline first you get that engagement. This is the first war in a long time that has had a clear-cut "Bad Guy" and so everyone is breathlessly reporting on it, even moreso than usual. orange juche fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Feb 27, 2022 |
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Pine Cone Jones posted:I understand shooting those down is a big deal, but how much of a big deal would a loss of 4 be? There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.
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