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the white hand posted:On which side, and what's your source? If you are unaware of the Wagner group, whose name is a bit on the nose, you should do a cursory bit of research. It’s a Russian PMC. It was reported they were potentially trying to kill zelenskyy and the head of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
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the white hand posted:On which side, and what's your source? wagner are russian side. been sent in to kill Zelensky and others. apparently a bunch died and now alot of the Wagner's are cut off and being left high and dry by the russian forces. also the dude looks like a video game villian.
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ronya posted:https://twitter.com/SouthAsiaIndex/status/1498607419387445249 It's like a world It's Allways Projection Fair.
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mlmp08 posted:So we’re clear, what is the hot take? Is the hot take that breaking law of armed conflict is fine, or is the hot take that you should not break the law of armed conflict? Not trying to snark, trying to figure out which topic is now off limits to avoid probations etc ITT. Preeeetty sure the issue isn't the opinion, it's that opinion being formatted as a snarky one liner that doesn't even make a clear point.
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Mozi posted:I think Putin was absolutely certain this would be easy. We joke about his increasing levels of isolation but it really seems as if since covid he's created an environment for himself where he only hears what he wants to hear. Like the talk about how the Ukrainian armed forces should switch sides because their leaders are drug-addicted neo-Nazis. I don't think he would keep repeating that unless he personally believed it was true, as absurd as it seems. He's always wanted to break Ukraine as an independent country and after what happened in Afghanistan with the Taliban, as well as the Western acceptance (or lack of pushback) against his previous military adventures in Eastern Europe he probably thought it would really be as simple as sending in the tanks and having the population come out and cheer them for liberating them from their democratic overlords. it always blows my mind that eventually dictators and chuds will begin to truly, actually, 100% believe all the bullshit that they're spouting, instead of just using it to attain their goals. I can't fathom Putin's mind being clouded by racism, yes-men, and RUSSIA STRONK propaganda when he rose to power, but now? He definitely drank his own kool-aid. https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1498675925017370629?s=20&t=A42bBJcoAJG4vEIBLwRhmQ ronya posted:https://twitter.com/SouthAsiaIndex/status/1498607419387445249 how nice that they're all gonna go and punch each other all day long
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TheRat posted:One of these two is explicitly a war crime, and it's not the thermobaric weapons. Says who? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:What are russians envisioning when they say "nazi" anyway? In the US when people think of nazis the primary attribute is being very racist. Anti-jewish racism specifically. like "a nazi is the guys who did the holocaust" is their primary attribute when we are saying someone is "a nazi", like nazis did other things too but that is the specific connotation of calling someone nazi, being extra racist. Is that the same in russia? What guy are the imagining when they think of "a nazi"? If they say ukraine is full of nazis are they mostly saying it's super super racist, or is there some other specific thing they are trying to say? It feels like russia had a different sort of history with nazis than the US did, the whole nazi thing is clearly just a boogieman they are using, but are they being super random or does "a nazi" conjure up a different image in a russian memory than in the US?
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ravenkult posted:Article 35 bans weapons that "cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering," as well as means of warfare that "cause widespread, long-term, and severe damage to the natural environment." Dunno boss, doesn't say anything about "weapons that set your lungs on fire and pull them out through your mouth" there, looks ok to me.
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zone posted:They already tried to go after Zelensky in the hundreds, and failed. Confirmed by the group itself. These are the guys who threw dozens of vehicles and hundreds of men at a position of 40 US special forces in Syria. The special forces begged and begged them not to attack when they saw the buildup start. They were utterly obliterated, and IIRC the US soldiers didn't even suffer a single injury.
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I really kinda wonder if China will stick with Russia, or will eventually speak out against it. On the one hand, they apply a lot of similar tactics, on the other hand, their government is a lot less hot headed and more analytical, to a scary degree. They must realize that this was a stupid decision for Putin, right?
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mlmp08 posted:In that case, it’s still war, but rather weakly, and would shatter NATO unity. A bad idea. I didn't say it was a good idea, I said I could see it happening.
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ronya posted:https://twitter.com/SouthAsiaIndex/status/1498607419387445249 Well, it's good that after holding all those fascism conferences in St. Petersburg they're holding one against it....
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Boris Johnson and other NATO representatives speaking now. God is he tough to listen to, just on an aesthetic level Link
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szary posted:Wait, is Saudi Arabia really going to do the US and UK like that? Saudi Arabia will show up to your conference and chat, particuarly if you invite them and not Iran. e: they also like to signal to the US every so often that they have strategic choices. That's ultimately the dilemma over Yemen - if the US stops supplying them then they start buying from Russia/China.
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cant cook creole bream posted:I really kinda wonder if China will stick with Russia. On the one hand, they apply a lot of similar tactics, on the other hand, their government is a lot less hot headed and more analytical, to a scary degree. https://twitter.com/JFXM/status/1498658238187057152 This seems like maybe there's a gap starting to form between China and Russia.
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szary posted:Wait, is Saudi Arabia really going to do the US and UK like that? yes: https://apnews.com/article/biden-end-support-saudi-offenseive-yemen-b68f58493dbfc530b9fcfdb80a13098f not going to leave the US alignment entirely but receptive to signalling its displeasure
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ronya posted:https://twitter.com/SouthAsiaIndex/status/1498607419387445249 "I'LL MAKE MY OWN NATO! WITH BLACK MARKETS! AND WAR CRIMES!"-Putin This will work on some very online people who will nod sagely Lmao at not even inviting Belarus and all but dropping the pretext they are a seperate country
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I'm not so convinced this part of the Geneva Convention is a good thing if it prevents the agressor from being shamed at home. Just thinking about pictures of american POW during the vietnam war, and how they possibly made the war more unpopular at home leading to its eventual end. Anyway, I find it in bad taste to complain when the defenders against a genocidal war of invasion break a less important rule in some way, when the other side is carpet-bombing cities.
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BREAKING: Nazi Germany going to hold the world's first anti-fascist conference in 1938, together with Italy and Japan
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FizFashizzle posted:So what do they expect Russia to do? Immediately pull out? no but it means russia will eat more sanctions and other diplomatic/economic/etc stuff. it also makes sure there will be a Ukrainian government in exile.
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Rubio posting again - this appears to match the map Lukashenko was speaking about in my earlier post, including the lack of planned troop movement via Odessa https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1498675082155241476?t=NMJo3dSvR4-DY6lPG17EMg&s=19 Makes me wonder if the Belarus video was maybe an unplanned leak?
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freeasinbeer posted:If you are unaware of the Wagner group, whose name is a bit on the nose, you should do a cursory bit of research. My cursory research consisted of calling out an unsourced, histrionic post. Still no actual info forthcoming, from you or anyone else. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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cant cook creole bream posted:I really kinda wonder if China will stick with Russia, or will eventually speak out against it. On the one hand, they apply a lot of similar tactics, on the other hand, their government is a lot less hot headed and more analytical, to a scary degree. They must realize that this was a stupid decision for Putin, right? I think China is doing what China does and patiently waiting for an opportunity to exercise their soft power and expand belt and road into Russia via debt traps and intellectual property capture. A lot of Russian defense contractors, resource companies and other details are ripe for the pickings should their economy collapse and isolation persists. From a strategic perspective I think if Russia loses this conflict it'll be a net loss for the west anyway because China will gain access to all the goodies/resources in Russia and have a stronger position from which they can consolidate whatever power they want to establish in the Pacific.
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the white hand posted:Isn't it a war crime for Radio Free Europe to run this? It's not the same as when some civilian outlet does it. As far as war crimes go, the section surrounding POWs being broadcast is mainly meant to protect dignity and privacy so they aren’t used as props or humiliated. Honestly all this talk could have been bypassed if they just blurred out the faces of the POWs and didn’t publish their names. At the end of the day, there are worse things happening and this is mostly in poor taste rather than a serious breach (e.g. using them as hostages in a broadcast or showing their cruel treatment to scare off others). It’ll maybe merit a finger wag after the fact.
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MonikaTSarn posted:I'm not so convinced this part of the Geneva Convention is a good thing if it prevents the agressor from being shamed at home. Just thinking about pictures of american POW during the vietnam war, and how they possibly made the war more unpopular at home leading to its eventual end. The mistreatment of american soldiers who returned home was very much not a good thing, not was any mistreatment and shaming of their innocent families. E: poo poo all over leadership and command all you want. Hell, I applaud it. But the average grunt has very little say in what happens, their families even less so.
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Spoggerific posted:These are the guys who threw dozens of vehicles and hundreds of men at a position of 40 US special forces in Syria. The special forces begged and begged them not to attack when they saw the buildup start. Perhaps the Wagner group is a nice way to get neonazis to remove themselves from the gene pool.
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Captain Theron posted:Yeah, I'm not too worked up over if these technically break the letter of the Geneva convention. This road I'm taking is excellently paved! I wonder where it leads, but ah, I suppose I'll find out.
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the white hand posted:My cursory research consisted of calling out an unsourced, histrionic post. Still no actual info forthcoming, from you or anyone else. Here ya go https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1498265699927662597?t=lmJ_1UdxY86WE9PycmGuiA&s=19 https://twitter.com/imakeokcontent/status/1498659164255522818?t=dD_28JWi_rozdZ_WBlZwfw&s=19
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ronya posted:https://twitter.com/SouthAsiaIndex/status/1498607419387445249 only some will show up and few will join. also probably a ton of weird chud and tankie lickspittles too. KitConstantine posted:Rubio posting again - this appears to match the map Lukashenko was speaking about in my earlier post, including the lack of planned troop movement via Odessa probably. so i guess western ukrain is getting taken too. christ, they really think occupying it will be easy.
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I meant sources that have something more than you do e: but fair enough, the Times is relying on Ukrainian govt sources it seems
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Catpain Slack posted:Dunno boss, doesn't say anything about "weapons that set your lungs on fire and pull them out through your mouth" there, looks ok to me. Thermobaric explosives are not alone in causing horrific injury and death or lasting environmental damage. They are atrocious, so are just regular explosives, Javelin missiles do horrific things to the crew inside of vehicles. Thermobaric munitions are not illegal despite their horrific results. War is just awful and there is no sense in trying to rules lawyer which exact flavor of horrific death is more horrific than another.
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fatherboxx posted:Sorry for linking a twitter thread but this is a good explanation Thanks for linking this, it was a good explanation. So when Putin says de nazify he means de-ukrainian, because he tags ethnic Ukrainians as "nazis" because he's a horrible racist.
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Crespolini posted:This road I'm taking is excellently paved! I wonder where it leads, but ah, I suppose I'll find out. yeah in about two hundred years videos of captured prisoners saying they had no idea they were being sent to war might lead to an aggressive war of conquest with indiscriminate artillery fire against civilians and cities better focus on that
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ravenkult posted:Article 35 bans weapons that "cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering," as well as means of warfare that "cause widespread, long-term, and severe damage to the natural environment." thermobaric weapons aren't banned by geneva. there are a lot of sources claiming this but it isn't true what definitely is banned is launching bombs of any sort into civilian areas. using non-banned weaponry against civilians in an indiscriminate way is what is banned. the action, not the weapon some weapons are banned by other treaties, such as cluster munitions. russia is also using those weapons, and russia did not sign the treaty banning them (neither did the USA) MonikaTSarn posted:I'm not so convinced this part of the Geneva Convention is a good thing if it prevents the agressor from being shamed at home. Just thinking about pictures of american POW during the vietnam war, and how they possibly made the war more unpopular at home leading to its eventual end. i find this whole conversation somewhat pointless because everyone is becoming experts in international war crimes law all of a sudden for the sole purpose of outflanking and owning their posting enemies and its pretty weird war crimes are bad, and its good to know what a war crime is, but its less good for everyone to get out the measuring stick so we can see who can most accurately guess the precise ethical quantum of the badness of various war crimes, to see who is the most smartest poster Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Preeeetty sure the issue isn't the opinion, it's that opinion being formatted as a snarky one liner that doesn't even make a clear point. Ok. Here are two plus lines. People should not advocate breaking law of armed conflict. It is tempting to ignore the rules when you empathize with one side over the other and when one side (UKR) is clearly the victim in the macro sense. That is a bad road. The rules are ironclad for a reason. You do not get to ignore the rules just because the other side is worse and started the war. “They were lovely first” is still a bad road to travel. War is awful and these laws are broken in essentially every single conflict, but that does not make their breaches good or worthy of defending.
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ravenkult posted:Article 35 bans weapons that "cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering," as well as means of warfare that "cause widespread, long-term, and severe damage to the natural environment." It doesn't mean what you want it to mean. Thermobaric weapons don't cause any more superfluous injuries or unnecessary suffering than, say, being shot with bullets or getting blasted by artillery. re: damage to nature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_Rouge quote:The area is saturated with unexploded shells (including many gas shells), grenades, and rusty ammunition. Soils were heavily polluted by lead, mercury, chlorine, arsenic, various dangerous gases, acids, and human and animal remains.[1] The area was also littered with ammunition depots and chemical plants.
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evilweasel posted:not sure you read that all the way through, as there's this part which has been consistently ignored: Yeah from a legal perspective I think that there's probably a fair argument that there's a public interest to consider here - both in Ukraine and in Russia. A lot of these conscripts are basically being disappeared by the Russian military, and their families are consistently expressing total surprise because they aren't being informed. Perhaps faces should be obscured if there is legal ambiguity, as the convention suggests, but the overall concept of broadcasting a specific type of "proof of life" correspondence seems legally defensible. That being said, I think that there's plenty of less controversial videos with similar emotional beats: https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1497652762280181765?s=20&t=9Edi_3QBCTFy5pE_GNL-Cw https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1498602696563040258?s=20&t=HkxlzrxmK_ULFL5j0hea7Q
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Nenonen posted:It doesn't mean what you want it to mean. Thermobaric weapons don't cause any more superfluous injuries or unnecessary suffering than, say, being shot with bullets or getting blasted by artillery. ''Doesn't address weapons use'' was the post I replied to. It does.
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