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Hieronymous Alloy posted:One of Putins first responses was to talk about confiscating foreign assets in Russia. Minute he said that I'm sure every capitalist in the world decided to nope out. It could also be that like most bullies, he's so used to everyone rolling over and giving him what he wants that he's caught completely off-guard when it doesn't work.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm still floored by two major petroleum companies pulling out as well as loving Boeing telling Russia to get hosed. ExxonMobil also pulling out now.
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Syrian Lannister posted:ExxonMobil also pulling out now. Them and BP, or was there another one?
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Them and BP, or was there another one? Shell is getting the gently caress out as well. TotalEnergies, the French petroleum giant, is staying put in Russia for now but the French government is "to discuss Total's presence in Russia with its CEO" and it "has no capital for new projects".
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Nuclear Tourist posted:Shell is getting the gently caress out as well. Jesus. I don't see Putin lasting long.
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Mirconium posted:Does anyone know/have a citation for the history of Ukraine vs The Ukraine thing? I find it to be a really weird thing to have come around as a sticking point in conversations over Ukrainian sovereignty because neither Russian nor Ukrainian have any grammar defining definite vs indefinite articles. It's why native Russian speakers who are learning English constantly drop both definite and indefinite articles from speech. (Like privately I question if it would even occur to a native east-slavic speaker to ponder the political implications of grammar of this type) https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18233844 Some of them speak other languages, so they know what the difference is. quote:"The Ukraine" is incorrect both grammatically and politically, says Oksana Kyzyma of the Embassy of Ukraine in London.
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CainFortea posted:https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18233844 Well, yes, for example I speak both languages. The reason I ask is that I really wonder if there is a history or a book or something behind the whole thing. It has really postmodernist "manipulate reality through the use of grammatical tricks" vibes like feminist language analysis/Foucault stuff. Late 90ies/00s Russia and presumably Ukraine were real hype for postmodern theories of propaganda (eg Surkov) so it would be interesting to see if it was Russia that tried to add "the" to Ukraine, or if it was Ukraine who decided to substract it or what. (especially because that diplomat is just... wrong. Grammatically The Ukraine and Ukraine are totally equivalent. Politically obviously the topic is charged (and it's Ukraine, I'm not some Russia stan or whatever))
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Well yea, it's symbolic. That's what names really are in the end. There's no like, metaphyical force of the words, or even legalistic. It's just a thing they didn't like because it was how the area was called in the soviet days.
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Mirconium posted:Does anyone know/have a citation for the history of Ukraine vs The Ukraine thing? I find it to be a really weird thing to have come around as a sticking point in conversations over Ukrainian sovereignty because neither Russian nor Ukrainian have any grammar defining definite vs indefinite articles. It's why native Russian speakers who are learning English constantly drop both definite and indefinite articles from speech. (Like privately I question if it would even occur to a native east-slavic speaker to ponder the political implications of grammar of this type) The Ukraine is referring to it as though it's a region of something else, think like the Midwest, the north east, and the like. Without the article, it's acknowledging it as a sovereign entity. It's not perfect, obviously, since there are several notable exceptions, but you wouldn't say the Germany or the France, would you? Funnily enough, there is an analogous situation in Russian with prepositions в and на! They can be messy and mean different things in different contexts, but в is used to refer to countries (and many other things, but just countries for this), while на is used for large areas, regions, and islands. Just like with "the" it's not totally clear-cut, since they use в for Japan and на for Cuba, but as Ukraine is not an island nation, в would be the proper preposition to use. This brings up another interesting fact, which is that in the 90s, after the fall of the Soviet Union, it was accepted practice throughout Russia to use в when talking about Ukraine, acknowledging that it was an independent territory, but in the past decade the usage of на for Ukraine returned to common practice, especially in state media.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Germany spending 100 billion on FTFY
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Mirconium posted:Does anyone know/have a citation for the history of Ukraine vs The Ukraine thing? I find it to be a really weird thing to have come around as a sticking point in conversations over Ukrainian sovereignty because neither Russian nor Ukrainian have any grammar defining definite vs indefinite articles. It's why native Russian speakers who are learning English constantly drop both definite and indefinite articles from speech. (Like privately I question if it would even occur to a native east-slavic speaker to ponder the political implications of grammar of this type) Ukraine is a country. I've always assumed the Ukraine is a region. Is it actually more complicated than this?
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Duzzy Funlop posted:FTFY So when does Space Battleship Bismark launch?
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lightpole posted:Ukraine is a country. I've always assumed the Ukraine is a region. Is it actually more complicated than this? Google said this: Ukraine is one of a few English country names traditionally used with the definite article the. This is apparently because the word "ukraina" means "borderland", and so would be translated as if "the borderlands" — the Ukraine — like how Nederlanden, meaning "nether lands", is translated as "the Netherlands". But I am more than happy to call it by its correct name if I had it wrong.
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lightpole posted:Ukraine is a country. I've always assumed the Ukraine is a region. Is it actually more complicated than this? Yeah, some Russian media continued to intentionally use and push the use of "the Ukraine" instead of "Ukraine" post-1991 as a method of normalizing the thought that Ukraine is a temporarily-embarrassed region of Russia or whatever instead of a sovereign nation.
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There doesn't need to be a grammatical underpinning of country vs geographic region. There are plenty of countries who have "The" in their name. The United States. The United Kingdom. The Peoples Republic of China. The Philippines. It comes down to Ukraine wants to be called Ukraine.
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I am going to preface this with know very little about how warfare and politics are played out on the world stage, so if I'm making wild assumptions anywhere or am just completely off the mark, please let me know. I know it's early days but given Russia's seemingly complete ineptitude for how to conduct an invasion, and that they seem to be losing both materiel and soldiers (if all of the reported defections turn out to be accurate)at an alarming rate, then what is Putin's endgame here? He's not the type to take an early hit like this and go "Welp, that didn't work. Sorry bros, I'm just gonna scoot back across the border. No hard feelings right?" Nor do I really think he would shoot himself in whatever bunker under the Ural mountains he's hiding in. He strikes me as the type to think suicide is the cowards way out. With all of the economic sanctions hitting Russia, and the comparatively small size of the Ukrainian military I don't think either side will last long enough for a long protracted 5, or 10, or even 15 year war. Also given how fickle the world seems to be about these kinds of events, they're not going to supply Ukraine with Javelins and helmets forever. But like apart from hitting the button and letting the nukes fly, where's the endgame for him?
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I'm pretty sure at this point Ukraine has more Javelins and NLAWs than Russia has drivable tanks.
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MustardFacial posted:
keep being a bully until everyone else gives in and lets him have the entire ukraine
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Have we been orbiting tankers over Eastern Poland over the last few days or is this new? https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae0424 There's also a NATO AWACS E-3 operating near the Poland/Ukraine border, but we knew about that already: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=4d03ca
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CBJSprague24 posted:Have we been orbiting tankers over Eastern Poland over the last few days or is this new? Tankers have been flying around there since day 1, someone pointed out it's likely for a CAP flying around the border.
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just want to revisit this old chestnut from last month, as russian forces prep to enter kyiv https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1491029914497449986?s=20&t=Qv3YfgmHJ-nBZDwnW_xHCw
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Ra-ra-rasputitsa, bugger off foreign militsia.
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brains posted:just want to revisit this old chestnut from last month, as russian forces prep to enter kyiv Holy gently caress their tactics are garbage
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brains posted:just want to revisit this old chestnut from last month, as russian forces prep to enter kyiv Now I've never even tried to enlist and haven't fired a gun in more than a decade, but shouldn't they be trying to stay even slightly concealed instead of going down on one knee in the middle of the street?
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Is everyone supposed to be firing into each other's backs like that?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Now I've never even tried to enlist and haven't fired a gun in more than a decade, but shouldn't they be trying to stay even slightly concealed instead of going down on one knee in the middle of the street? Listen, if it works in ArmA 3 when fighting the AI, why wouldn't it work in real life?
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Mozi posted:Is everyone supposed to be firing into each other's backs like that?
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I think the guy slowly lying down at the end is what Ukraine was supposed to do
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Spoggerific posted:Listen, if it works in ArmA 3 when fighting the AI, why wouldn't it work in real life? Can confirm it definitely doesn't work in ArmA 3
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ASAPI posted:The Russian losses up to this point are impressive. If half of what we are hearing is true, it would be impressive. They're repeating their performance from The Winter War, but with a modern take.
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psydude posted:They're repeating their performance from The Winter War, but with a modern take. Keep it tight boys! YOUR GROUPINGS WHILE SHOOTING, SERGY, SHOOTING! SPREAD OUT YOU IDIOTS. This is going to go well.
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Latest updates: Russia dropped paratroopers (probably Spetsnaz, but not confirmed yet) into Kharkiv last night. Looks like fighting is still ongoing as of this morning. It also appears that the Russians have finally captured Kherson, or at most of it. psydude fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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psydude posted:They're repeating their performance from The Winter War, but with a modern take. While it's easy to make fun of the ineptitude of the Russian invasion, the fact is that they're still making steady if slow progress in south and northeast Ukraine. At this rate I imagine we'll probably see the Russians eventually capturing all major population centers within a few weeks, probably after most of them have been pounded into rubble by nonstop MLRS barrages. We're also finally starting to see Su-34 sorties from the Russian side after their air force being mysteriously absent for the most part, and I imagine what air assets the Ukrainians have left (including drones) are severely degraded which is probably why that giant 40-mile column of death bearing down on Kyiv has been left largely untouched.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Google said this: Really it seems like one of those things you should change because it makes people happy. Who gives a gently caress about grammar, it's stupid poo poo for assholes
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Nuclear Tourist posted:While it's easy to make fun of the ineptitude of the Russian invasion, the fact is that they're still making steady if slow progress in south and northeast Ukraine. At this rate I imagine we'll probably see the Russians eventually capturing all major population centers within a few weeks, probably after most of them have been pounded into rubble by nonstop MLRS barrages. We're also finally starting to see Su-34 sorties from the Russian side after their air force being mysteriously absent for the most part, and I imagine what air assets the Ukrainians have left (including drones) are severely degraded which is probably why that giant 40-mile column of death bearing down on Kyiv has been left largely untouched. I agree with you for the most part, but the longer it drags on, the more time the West has to resupply the Ukrainians. For example, they just tweeted this morning that they're receiving additional drones from Turkey. From what I can surmise, Ukraine hasn't committed all of its forces to the front lines yet. Some of that is practical - keeping supply lines open, but some of it clearly seems to be waiting for the Russians to push on Kiev. I also suspect that, as some people have suggested, Ukraine is deliberately leaving the convoy alone and letting attrition eat away at it while they prepare/counter the more concerted Russian push from the North East.
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Should it be called The Thread for Ukraine, rather than The Ukraine Thread then?
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psydude posted:I agree with you for the most part, but the longer it drags on, the more time the West has to resupply the Ukrainians. For example, they just tweeted this morning that they're receiving additional drones from Turkey. From what I can surmise, Ukraine hasn't committed all of its forces to the front lines yet. Some of that is practical - keeping supply lines open, but some of it clearly seems to be waiting for the Russians to push on Kiev. I can only hope you're right.
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