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Ogmius815 posted:I’m gonna have to find a grain of salt to ingest this one with. This is the same reporter who argued the US should fight and win a nuclear war.
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TulliusCicero posted:honest question: When Putin came in he slowly took over all news media that have any sort of non-trivial audience, basically (with online media and domestic social network VK getting taken over as they hecame popular). And yes, a bunch of opposition politicians and journalists got murdered, too, or at least attempts were made. If you are American, imagine if only media were Fox News clones and token lefty publications read by like 5000 people. Putin also basically removed all the term limits.
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Oh cool, Jeremy Scahill did a long thread giving his thoughts about the current conflict. https://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/1499106963250155525 oh for fucks sake, leftists stop giving milosevic cover for DOING A GENOCIDE challenge
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TulliusCicero posted:honest question:
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Ynglaur posted:Yeah, I get used to thinking in terms of 1:8 or 1:10, but the US is very, very good at battlefield trauma. (It's medical system sucks for anything not trauma-related, but that's another story.) Relatively recent additions like coagulate powders make a huge difference. I don't know how much Russia's army invests in battlefield medicine, or how competent it is, so I don't have any sense of what a "normal" casualty ratio would look like. Also the deaths we are seeing are not the kind of thing that leave nonfatal wounds. If a javelin takes out a helicopter, nobody walks away from that, thats a total loss. Similarly a drone strike. Americans get wounded by small arms fire and IEDs, while wearing armor, in armored vehicles. American weapons incinerate the whole vehicle. Nobody on the highway of death was merely wounded.
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Answers Me posted:So assuming this kind of thing is true, what's the deal? The size and quality of the Russian Army has been grossly overestimated? They're not wasting the 'proper' troops on this conflict unless they have to? i believe they are conscripts of the separatist states. my guess is Russian army is a loving mess and they never did the various needed reforms and dudes hosed off with the most of the money for projects so shits either busted or stolen or etc.
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From the guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...re_iOSApp_Other
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Paracausal posted:Oh cool, Jeremy Scahill did a long thread giving his thoughts about the current conflict. I'm not sure that isn't just an excerpt from Putin's speech
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Mar 2, 2022 22:24
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FishBulbia posted:This is the same reporter who argued the US should fight and win a nuclear war. Richard Engel is that person but he's relaying what Josh Lederman, who I know nothing about, is saying: https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1499117617969340420?s=20&t=DpQk2Ihr6SKbMBa9IbAHNg
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Dante posted:this is not true jesus christ It actually is true. If you are an uninformed combatant behind enemy lines you absolutely can be executed without the belligerent who executed you violating the Geneva Protocols. You are 100% wrong.
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Diva Cupcake posted:gently caress your yacht. That yacht is the largest in the world by volume. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srmFim_DKq0 This dude has been posting videos about all the things going on in the yachting world  , Including this yacht yesterday.
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Riptor posted:Richard Engel is that person but he's relaying what Josh Lederman, who I know nothing about, is saying: https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1499117617969340420?s=20&t=DpQk2Ihr6SKbMBa9IbAHNg probably just parroting Ukr gov like those "sources" that claimed the Ukr downed 6 Il-76s. US reported 1500-2000 on both sides today
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Aipsh posted:From the guardian: I can't believe this is true. We've not seen any indication that the situation in Russia is bad enough for something like this to be required and going from pretending the war is no big deal to martial law across the entire country is completely insane
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Diva Cupcake posted:gently caress your yacht. Incidentally, Putins personal yacht just so happened to hastily leave Hamburg at the start of February.
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ZombieLenin posted:It actually is true. If you are an uninformed combatant behind enemy lines you absolutely can be executed without the belligerent who executed you violating the Geneva Protocols. Without doxxing themselves, Dante has posted enough on the Geneva Conventions in this thread to show they clearly have a better grasp of them than anyone else here.
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Youth Decay posted:Can someone translate what's on her signs? No to nuclear weapons everywhere! Urgently sign an agreement. The young country of Ukraine banned nuclear weapons, but Russia has tanks with nuclear ammunition that are still in use since the war in Vietnam (USSR - USA). Don't murder the physicists, instead ban and destroy all nuclear weapons all over the world at the same time. Save the life on earth. (Rays of COVID, AIDS and nuclear power) BOMBS, ROCKETS ARE BEING TESTED
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cant cook creole bream posted:How many Ukrainian soldiers lost their lives to achieve this? Should be quite a few less, right? We haven't seen any reliable Ukrainian loss estimates as of yet (beyond equipment tallies by that one blogger). However, one report of a US report I saw this morning (and which I can't locate again right now, so take it with a salt lick at this level of telephone) said that the Ukrainians had been just as badly battered; it's just that 1) they don't have an outside world eager to tally and broadcast that, and 2) that's more expected of the heavily outnumbered and outgunned Ukrainian military than it was of the Russians. If I find the report, I'll repost it. Xotl fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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steinrokkan posted:If the goal is accomplished, it will only lead to more death for years to come. Not to mention this is likely closely watched as a trial run for future wars of conquest by other authoritarian leaders across the globe. If the decapitation strike had gone off without a hitch, the global diplomatic community didn’t react swiftly enough, and if the propaganda machine succeeded in getting everyone to memory hole the initial lies said during the ramp up, it would have left the doors wide open for land grabs worldwide.
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Chalks posted:I can't believe this is true, we've not seen any indication that the situation in Russia itself is bad enough for something like this to be required and going from pretending the war is no big deal to martial law across the entire country is completely insane I mean they have been shutting down and raiding news and tv stations reporting on the war and being anti-war, have reportedly jailed thousands of anti war protesters, are rolling out mandatory pro war education lessons in schools, are reportedly stopping people from leaving the country, and are in the midst of a huge economic crash thats going to get worse on saturday if the stock markets open. So, uh yeah I can see it.
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Magugu posted:That yacht is the largest in the world by volume. Do the staff have as much fun as the men and women on Below Deck?
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cant cook creole bream posted:Incidentally, Putins personal yacht just so happened to hastily leave Hamburg at the start of February. Lol
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ReidRansom posted:But they can only do as effective a job as the conscript responsibilities allow (logistics, securing supply routes, etc.). And those dudes are doing a poo poo job, fortunately for everyone aside from Putin and the families of those he's sending off to die for whatever loving reason. Good point. That follows the previous analysis that Russia believed the initial airstrikes and drops of VDV into the big cities will simply kill the govt and collapse the military. While this was happening the conscripts already began their march into what was believed to be unoccupied cities to take over govt buildings and man road checkpoints. Putin was aware that the country is big and he needed a bunch of untrained military in big numbers just to "occupy" and hold land. Since all the spec ops units spectacularly failed, the untrained mass of soldiers marched into stiff resistance of a military force that did not collapse, resulting in heavy losses and surrenders.
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ZombieLenin posted:It actually is true. If you are an uninformed combatant behind enemy lines you absolutely can be executed without the belligerent who executed you violating the Geneva Protocols. The Geneva Convention IV entitles spies to a trial.
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Also I will once again beseech this thread to read Masha Gessen's bio/exposé on Putin, The Man Without a Face. It is essential background if you hope to understand (?) what Putin is and why he is there.
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Dante posted:this is not true jesus christ Spies and saboteurs can't be shot the moment they're captured, but they don't receive the same protections prisoners of war do; instead, they're effectively treated as if they were a civilian engaged in espionage/sabotage, can be tried by a military tribunal, and punished according to national law for their actions. (POWs cannot be tried for violation of national law, but can be tried for war crimes.) That's the distinction people are identifying. Ukraine defines espionage as a form of high treason and defines a punishment of imprisonment for up to 15 years. So, no, in Ukraine they can't just be shot when captured - legally speaking. (In the US, espionage is a death penalty crime, so while there has to be a tribunal, it might in practice be a very quick tribunal.)
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Telsa Cola posted:I mean they have been shutting down and raiding news and tv stations reporting on the war and being anti-war, have reportedly jailed thousands of anti war protesters, are rolling out mandatory pro war education lessons in schools, are reportedly stopping people from leaving the country, and are in the midst of a huge economic crash thats going to get worse on saturday if the stock markets open. Extreme censorship to ensure people continue to think it's no big deal, that makes sense. Martial law across the entire country implies levels of unrest beyond what they can handle with their normal security forces. I don't think we've seen any evidence of this. If they're considering martial law across the entire country it must mean that things are considerably worse than they appear.
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Riptor posted:Richard Engel is that person but he's relaying what Josh Lederman, who I know nothing about, is saying: https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1499117617969340420?s=20&t=DpQk2Ihr6SKbMBa9IbAHNg I can confidently state that Russian losses are somewhere between 5 and 1 million soldiers. Estimates vary.
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quarantinethepast posted:Does anyone remember this short film doing a mock BBC broadcast of a nuclear war? When Warsaw gets nuked is one of the best jump scares I've experienced. At the time I thought Russia might have indirectly been involved with the video because of how effective the underlying "we should never gently caress with Russia" message is.
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Xotl posted:We haven't seen any reliable Ukrainian loss estimates as of yet (beyond equipment tallies by that one blogger). However, one report of a US report I saw this morning (and which I can't locate again right now, so take it with a salt lick at this level of telephone) said that the Ukrainians had been just as badly battered; it's just that 1) they don't have an outside world eager to tally and broadcast that, and 2) that's more expected of the heavily outnumbered and outgunned Ukrainian military than it was of the Russians. If this was a conventional war I would agree with you. The Ukrainians don't seem to be engaging directly which they would be suffering heavy losses. From what I have seen come out from their side they are employing a lot of ambush/surprise attacks, drone/MANPAD/AT and setting up engagements that are advantageous to them. This is honestly to be expected from a smaller force on their home terf. That coupled with real time info from NATO can allow them to do a lot more with a lot less. The fact that the Russians haven't been able to take any population centers closest to the border where supply lines should be the least vulnerable should tell you a lot.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Also the deaths we are seeing are not the kind of thing that leave nonfatal wounds. If a javelin takes out a helicopter, nobody walks away from that, thats a total loss. Similarly a drone strike. Good points. In other news, I was a little prescient in using this essay as applicable to understanding Russian supply woes. (The Twitter poster is the author, fwiw.) https://twitter.com/BretDevereaux/status/1499089377200377858?s=20&t=N50DXA7YjUy6oXqtPBWSGw
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Not a lawyer butquote:Article 5 of the 1949 Geneva Convention IV provides: “Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a spy … such … [person] shall nevertheless be treated with humanity, and in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed by the present Convention.” https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docindex/v2_rul_rule107_sectionb
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ZombieLenin posted:It actually is true. If you are an uninformed combatant behind enemy lines you absolutely can be executed without the belligerent who executed you violating the Geneva Protocols. This is total nonsense. This was a line of legal argumentation tried at the Yugoslav war crimes trial in Hague over the summary executions done there, and it was roundly rejected. To quote from the relevant ICRC commentary that was in the trial judgement: quote:every person in enemy hands must have some status under international law: he is either a prisoner of war and, as such, covered by the Third Convention, a civilian covered by the Fourth Convention, or again, a member of the medical personnel of the armed forces who is covered by the First Convention. There is no intermediate status; nobody in enemy hands can be outside the law. quote:Art. 30. A spy taken in the act shall not be punished without previous trial. Kalman posted:Spies and saboteurs can't be shot the moment they're captured, but they don't receive the same protections prisoners of war do; instead, they're effectively treated as if they were a civilian engaged in espionage/sabotage, can be tried by a military tribunal, and punished according to national law for their actions. (POWs cannot be tried for violation of national law, but can be tried for war crimes.) That's the distinction people are identifying. This is true, it's perfectly legal to give someone the death penalty for espionage as a result of judicial proceeding. This is very different from "spies and saboteurs can be shot the moment they are captured", which yes would be a war crime. Dante fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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One particular cynical reason Russia may be strongly insisting that this isn’t a war despite that obviously not being the case is that they don’t want to pay out benefits to the families of all their dead soldiers.
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Boris Galerkin posted:What do the countries do with these multimillion dollar yachts that get seized? like other seized property, auctioned
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Paracausal posted:Oh cool, Jeremy Scahill did a long thread giving his thoughts about the current conflict. I think it's fair to point out that a lot of things that USA, UK and other western governments have done over the previous decades have been double-standardy as hell. In many ways they have paved the way to Putin believing that might makes right and that following international law or seeking UN backing for actions is for losers. And we NEED stronger international consensus that backs UN and rule of law and condemns cowboy actions. At the same time, Russia was also an rear end in a top hat for defending Serbia's genocides in Bosnia and Kosovo. Not to mention the massive breaches of human rights during the Chechen wars. Ultimately nothing excuses Russia's current action in any way, it would be just blatant whataboutism. And on a third hand, messaging during such a stressful time is difficult. Especially for western leftists who would rather die than say "gotta hand it to them" in conjunction with NATO.
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My sister in law living in Russia turned out to be a full on Putin fan, and she just told us they heard Zelenskyy is going to bomb Belarus.  Paracausal posted:Oh cool, Jeremy Scahill did a long thread giving his thoughts about the current conflict. And my mother in law after being quiet since the war started just shared this with us as well.
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