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KitConstantine posted:Anarchists have entered the chat I suppose these tankjackers are Doctrine Radicals with "also fun to joyride". They are just so happy. https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1499059588779368449
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Varinn posted:i assume this is okay since its a direct response Somebody oughta commit a war crime on you, you tiresome ninny. Go make a Geneva convention thread where you can whine about Ukraine to your heart's content. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Varinn posted:i assume this is okay since its a direct response You can say to anyone you want however many times you want that war crimes are bad, or otherwise disagree with them, provided that you stay respectful of D&D rules. In this specific case, my warning was to stop pointless rehashing of the legal minutiae of Geneva Convention. Everything so far debated whether if it is a war crime or not - throwing thermobaric bombs at civilian buildings, tormenting or executing prisoners of war, or subjecting infiltrators to a kangaroo court - is reprehensible regardless of whether if it is a war crime legally speaking or not. As to this thread, it is to be a current events thread that works exactly like a Twitter feed, for those who do not use Twitter. Just with an opportunity to discuss things happening in greater detail, and without a mindless avalanche of gore porn. If you want a detailed discussion of NATO history, make a NATO history thread. Same goes for Geneva Convention, World War 3, and anything else you may fancy. This thread moves at ~2 pages per hour already, and I'm quite certain I'm the only person who has read it end to end - the last thing it needs is more derails.
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KitConstantine posted:I mentioned it last night but the destruction in Zhytomyr is horrific. It's all but gone. Well, gently caress. I had actually refrained from watching any footage from the past week and had just relied on all text. gently caress Putin.
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KitConstantine posted:Russians vs Mud round infinity Gosh, only if there were multiple wars in history that we could study where weather and mud played a huge role. Only if happened in russia, then they would surely understand it. Ah well, a man can wish! dominoeffect fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Randarkman posted:German military still uses the iron cross as a symbol, though not as a medal I think. Don't we use it as well? St Olav's Orden is basically an iron cross, and our highest military commendation is 'krigskorset med sverd' which is an iron cross.
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KitConstantine posted:Russians vs Mud round infinity Looks like they spent a long time trying to recover with logs unless the Ukrainians laid those. Log based recovery rarely works once you’re sunk and it takes foooorever to cut all those trees and move them over. It’s exhausting work. Last resort stuff. You really need a recovery vehicle ideally a recovery tank, with a huge line and winch so it can stay on solid ground. The fact the logs are there tells me they knew no recovery vehicle would be coming ever, meaning they don’t have enough of them. And it’s very, very easy to get a recovery vehicle stuck too. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what happened to them.
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Varinn posted:i assume this is okay since its a direct response Varinn what are your thoughts on the perpetrators in the below attack? Vorenus posted:
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This one is great when you zoom in: Hobo on Fire posted:
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Very poor engravings that are supposed to look like Holy Roman honors but instead look like dollar store play shields are a German tradition and you are all being VERY insensitive!
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Fabulous Knight posted:Well, gently caress. I had actually refrained from watching any footage from the past week and had just relied on all text. I'm sorry  don't go on TwitterEdit: not being glib, it's packed to the gills with Very Bad poo poo right now
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ethanol posted:Looks like they spent a long time trying to recover with logs unless the Ukrainians laid those. Log based recovery rarely works once you’re sunk and it takes foooorever to cut all those trees and move them over. It’s exhausting work. Last resort stuff. You really need a recovery vehicle ideally a recovery tank, with a huge line and winch so it can stay on solid ground. The fact the logs are there tells me they knew no recovery vehicle would be coming ever, meaning they don’t have enough of them. And it’s very, very easy to get a recovery vehicle stuck too. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what happened to them. i recall reading prior to this war that the russians believed mud was only a problem for western tanks, because their tanks were lighter and better able to traverse it. maybe kind of true, but it still seems to be quite a problem.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:This thread moves at ~2 pages per hour already, and I'm quite certain I'm the only person who has read it end to end - the last thing it needs is more derails. i don't have to read it end to end, i just choose to because i'm stupid
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mustard_tiger posted:Varinn what are your thoughts on the perpetrators in the below attack? What's the point of this?
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I doubt that very much.
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KitConstantine posted:I'm sorry Not your fault in the slightest, my "curiosity" simply got the best of me at last and the first video I saw, well, it ended up being that one. For a moment there my appreciation of Putin went from disdain to genuine anger.
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Concerned Citizen posted:i recall reading prior to this war that the russians believed mud was only a problem for western tanks, because their tanks were lighter and better able to traverse it. maybe kind of true, but it still seems to be quite a problem. I’ve heard and it’s definitely not true at all, our abrams are heavier, but 40-50 tons will still get stuck as hell. And Russians have been making their tanks heavier with addons. Plus that’s a wheeled Apc, it never really stood a chance in that without a terrain savvy commander
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:i don't have to read it end to end, i just choose to because i'm stupid At least now I know I'm not the only one who walked right into the European decimal comma after the fact. 
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Alchenar posted:Okay time to hold your heart in your mouth a little: Edit: I read this wrong dominoeffect fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Wistful of Dollars posted:I doubt that very much. A couple of pages back american intelligence estimated between 500 and 5000 but said it was very hard to get accurate numbers. So yeah, 9k is almost certainly about as accurate as the ghost of kyiv doing that ejection RPG move from Call of Duty
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dominoeffect posted:I'm slightly confused at the wording and map drawings. Is the intention to encircle those troops south of Makariv? That is what the tweet suggests, yes.
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Ukraine got a lot of free stuff today Russian army is piñata - you smash it and all kinds of poo poo falls out https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/1499162512310345733?t=N0i0nG1Ab7XTZeLKu9O-4w&s=19
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KitConstantine posted:Anarchists have entered the chat Nestor Makhno lives!
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KitConstantine posted:I mentioned it last night but the destruction in Zhytomyr is horrific. It's all but gone. This is for sure horrific and a war crime, but that video only shows a couple of blocks, and the general reporting seems to be that it was a relatively isolated attack. Zhytomyr is a city of 263K people, spanning an area of 61km2. This video in no way justifies a conclusion that the city is "all but gone".
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I still don't understand why there are all these solitary tanks roaming the steppes without infantry support. This war is horrific from nearly every angle but such a source for the surreal.
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the popes toes posted:I still don't understand why there are all these solitary tanks roaming the steppes without infantry support. This war is horrific from nearly every angle but such a source for the surreal. World of Tanks is propaganda
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Lead out in cuffs posted:This is for sure horrific and a war crime, but that video only shows a couple of blocks, and the general reporting seems to be that it was a relatively isolated attack. Zhytomyr is a city of 263K people, spanning an area of 61km2. This video in no way justifies a conclusion that the city is "all but gone". There were several other attacks on Zhytomyr last night. For instance, a cruise missile blowing up a military base. In general, it's been enduring shelling by long-range weaponry for the 3rd day now. That said, I wouldn't quite describe it as "gone" either.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:This is for sure horrific and a war crime, but that video only shows a couple of blocks, and the general reporting seems to be that it was a relatively isolated attack. Zhytomyr is a city of 263K people, spanning an area of 61km2. This video in no way justifies a conclusion that the city is "all but gone". There's a lot more destruction beyond that one video but fair enough. I edited the post for accuracy.
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I think this was speculated earlier today, but Turkey confirmed that it has provided more drones to Ukraine: https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/ukraine-conflict-turkey-airlifts-additional-tb2-ucavs-to-ukraine quote:Turkey has airlifted additional Baykar Bayraktar TB2 unmanned combat aerial vehicles (UCAVs) to Ukraine.
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It's almost like the USSR's residual influence and other Cold War legacies are the actual pattern, and not some kind of dumb orientalism you're dressing up as thought provoking insight.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:You can say to anyone you want however many times you want that war crimes are bad, or otherwise disagree with them, provided that you stay respectful of D&D rules. In this specific case, my warning was to stop pointless rehashing of the legal minutiae of Geneva Convention. Everything so far debated whether if it is a war crime or not - throwing thermobaric bombs at civilian buildings, tormenting or executing prisoners of war, or subjecting infiltrators to a kangaroo court - is reprehensible regardless of whether if it is a war crime legally speaking or not.
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KitConstantine posted:Ukraine got a lot of free stuff today
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Grammarchist posted:Nestor Makhno lives! Not unless they add an extra row to fit in tachankas.
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the popes toes posted:I still don't understand why there are all these solitary tanks roaming the steppes without infantry support. This war is horrific from nearly every angle but such a source for the surreal. They do sort of give the impression that the russians are just kind of wondering randomly across the countryside, doesn't it?
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As soon as I saw that headline I laughed. If only... As much as I want it to be a flawless one-sided David versus Goliath victory I believe the realistic estimates were roughly 2500-5000 and pegging Russian losses as more or less equal with Ukraine.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:World of Tanks is propaganda Yeah, few years time so called History Channel is going to have a field day. Coming in #16 in our series of Greatest Military Blunders With Tanks is how many describe as "The Battle Against the Mud," or "Gopniks On Tanks Is No Joke."
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DOOMocrat posted:If the documents going around are real, no, it's exactly that; projections in mid January were 15 days. It can be, and is, that stupid. It would not at all surprise me if generals estimated 15 days and then told Putin a week at most because that's what he wanted to hear and you tell Putin whatever the gently caress he wants to hear. They probably thought they were being realistic that 7 days could happen if everything went right and 15 was a "we face more resistance than anticipated" scenario. This happens all the time on projects I'm on with non-insane people who aren't going to be literally killed for giving the wrong number.
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Saint Kyivanka posted:Maybe we should make every poster state their bias in this conflict so we know who is arguing in good faith vs causing derails. I was team Jacob, but I'm really coming around on Team Edward lately I all seriousness I want people to stop dying needlessly so Ukraine.
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