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Sorry if this was posted already, but according to Finnish broadcaster Yle, Georgia intends to apply for EU membership immediately (in Finnish)
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https://twitter.com/Eleskola/status/1499133296789368848
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I'm quite certain I'm the only person who has read it end to end - the last thing it needs is more derails. No, I also have some kind of mental disorder that has made me compulsively read every single post in this thread since it was started.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:At least now I know I'm not the only one who walked right into the European decimal comma after the fact. i left for a short trip to the mountains on friday morning and got back on sunday evening. reading through all of the ~4k posts made during that stretch took the rest of the day if by "killed" they mean "casualties" than this is a pretty blatant propaganda number. if by "killed" they mean "killed" than typical ratios of kia/wia means they're claiming that ~25-33% of the original russian formation are casualties and they're about to win the war
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Dante posted:As the guy who was probated for "Boring Geneva stuff" I will say that I haven't tried engaging much in a debate with the "yes they're war crimes, but" posts because that's a morality discussion. I don't know anything about military equipment or vehicles, but I know some about international law. My intent was to correct factual assertions which are unambiguously wrong, because I assumed it would be useful information people would be interested in regarding a chaotic current event. Its admittedly it's a little weird to me that the gauntlet is laid down in such a way that one can't discuss current war crimes in the war thread, but I can understand how it would be boring in a twitter feed-esque thread. If anyone has any specific questions about that stuff I guess we can take it to DMs. No. Stick around and comment. You're good. Very good.
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Tuna-Fish posted:No, I also have some kind of mental disorder that has made me compulsively read every single post in this thread since it was started. Cant really tell with that map because UA forces are not marked anywhere but a long the road
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jaete posted:Sorry if this was posted already, but according to Finnish broadcaster Yle, Georgia intends to apply for EU membership immediately (in Finnish) This is a pretty shocking move since 20% of the country is still under occupation by Russia. I guess they've seen twitter and reasoned that Russia can't deal with two fronts right now.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:i left for a short trip to the mountains on friday morning and got back on sunday evening. reading through all of the ~4k posts made during that stretch took the rest of the day This happened to me too, except I went "gently caress it" and skipped like 50 pages I think I've read everything else
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mustard_tiger posted:Varinn what are your thoughts on the perpetrators in the below attack? That its horrifying and disgusting? Probably the same as you? Russia is absolutely doing war crimes, you'll find no disagreement from me there. I know what you're getting at here but sorry, that aint me.
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KillHour posted:It would not at all surprise me if generals estimated 15 days and then told Putin a week at most because that's what he wanted to hear and you tell Putin whatever the gently caress he wants to hear. They probably thought they were being realistic that 7 days could happen if everything went right and 15 was a "we face more resistance than anticipated" scenario. This happens all the time on projects I'm on with non-insane people who aren't going to be literally killed for giving the wrong number. I don't even think a week is what they expected. Its clear they expected to be able to have a welcoming populace that would be willing to give them food and fuel. Shockingly, that didn't come true.
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TheRat posted:A couple of pages back american intelligence estimated between 500 and 5000 but said it was very hard to get accurate numbers. So yeah, 9k is almost certainly about as accurate as the ghost of kyiv doing that ejection RPG move from Call of Duty this is heinous bf1942 erasure
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Xachariah posted:As soon as I saw that headline I laughed. If only... Equal losses in terms of numbers would still be a david versus goliath victory considering the equipment and support gap.
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Read my lips. Decisive victory.
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Dante posted:This is a pretty shocking move since 20% of the country is still under occupation by Russia. I guess they've seen twitter and reasoned that Russia can't deal with two fronts right now. Well, they're just applying. Acceptance is another story.
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TheRat posted:A couple of pages back american intelligence estimated between 500 and 5000 but said it was very hard to get accurate numbers. So yeah, 9k is almost certainly about as accurate as the ghost of kyiv doing that ejection RPG move from Call of Duty 500 seems about as unlikely as the higher Ukrainian estimates to me, though--the Russian MOD is already admitting to 500 killed. It seems unlikely to me that Russia is going to be that honest about their casualties. (And the number of videos of destroyed Russian vehicles, etc. also seem to me to make those numbers unlikely, although I'll admit there is likely bias in what we see.) Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Flavahbeast posted:this is heinous bf1942 erasure Bf3 really. Especially since all the Russian secret weapons from bf4 and on apparently never made it through procurement
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Flavahbeast posted:this is heinous bf1942 erasure I can only apologise, I dont FPS 
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Dante posted:As the guy who was probated for "Boring Geneva stuff" I will say that I haven't tried engaging much in a debate with the "yes they're war crimes, but" posts because that's a morality discussion. I don't know anything about military equipment or vehicles, but I know some about international law. My intent was to correct factual assertions which are unambiguously wrong, because I assumed it would be useful information people would be interested in regarding a chaotic current event. Its admittedly it's a little weird to me that the gauntlet is laid down in such a way that one can't discuss current war crimes in the war thread, but I can understand how it would be boring in a twitter feed-esque thread. If anyone has any specific questions about that stuff I guess we can take it to DMs. Every thread rule has precedent. You had a room to make an unrestricted discussion until today, and you did. So did others. The result was, unfortunately, a barely readable half a dozen of pages that achieved nothing, despite salient points made by multiple participants. Since yesterday's posters are not gone anywhere, and the early signs of the conversation didn't differ meaningfully from the previous, I didn't expect the conversation to work out any better than the previous. Therefore, with overall thread velocity in mind, I'd rather not have it at all. Phrasing this as a ban on discussing war crimes is disingenuous, though. The ban is specifically on people yelling their interpretation of Geneva Convention at each other.
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So is this 'Winter War' levels of blunder by the Russians at this stage?
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FlamingLiberal posted:By the end of this war, every Ukrainian will have a tank fyodor, you can't drive two tanks at once, what will the neighbors think
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Drunk in Space posted:So is this 'Winter War' levels of blunder by the Russians at this stage? No, they're still winning even if it's horribly poorly executed and extremely costly. If they somehow manage to lose as well, then yea.
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Drunk in Space posted:So is this 'Winter War' levels of blunder by the Russians at this stage? There’s definitely more to it than just terrain but signs point to yes Edit: assuming it was terrain there is a lot of time to adapt to that. Unless they really can’t handle a long war because of the economic sanctions
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Deteriorata posted:Well, they're just applying. Acceptance is another story. Of course, but still I imagine Russia won't be happy:https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220302-georgia-to-apply-immediately-for-eu-membership quote:The ruling Georgian Dream party chairman, Irakli Kobakhidze, announced the party's "decision today to immediately apply for the EU membership". Dante fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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dominoeffect posted:Gosh, only if there were multiple wars in history that we could study where weather and mud played a huge role. Only if happened in russia, then they would surely understand it. Ah well, a man can wish! The Russians were hoping they'd still be in winter at this time of year. Unfortunately, climate change had other plans...
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Dante posted:Of course, but still I imagine Russia won't be happy:https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220302-georgia-to-apply-immediately-for-eu-membership Georgia may be lucky, spiting Russia might make Georgia getting a fast path worth it.
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It’s really a significant number of pieces here all coming together at once to ruin putins plan. But invading during peak mud is pretty darn dumb
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:i left for a short trip to the mountains on friday morning and got back on sunday evening. reading through all of the ~4k posts made during that stretch took the rest of the day Jesus Christ, why would you do that to yourself? Also, this means just killed, and is most assuredly inflated.
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Concerned Citizen posted:i recall reading prior to this war that the russians believed mud was only a problem for western tanks, because their tanks were lighter and better able to traverse it. maybe kind of true, but it still seems to be quite a problem. It blows my mind that they never accounted for this. Like, they had to have done training maneuvers in this terrain sometime in the oh...past 30 years?
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Not sure what this is about, or if it's about anything at all in particular. But intelligence (in general) about Russia has been apparently pretty easy to get. https://twitter.com/DI_Ukraine/status/1499157365937119235 quote:You've probably all heard of Deepfake technology, a combination of the words deep learning and fake, a technique of synthesizing a human image based on artificial intelligence. Also, here's another twitter list that I saw posted. https://twitter.com/i/lists/43845512 ummel fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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TheRat posted:No, they're still winning even if it's horribly poorly executed and extremely costly. If they somehow manage to lose as well, then yea. The russians did win the Winter War. I'm not really sure what this would be comparable to if they lose.
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Saint Celestine posted:It blows my mind that they never accounted for this. Like, they had to have done training maneuvers in this terrain sometime in the oh...past 30 years? It was colder when they did their exercises and who knows how many hosed up micro maneuvers were swept under during it anyways. They planned for no resistance basically. Why worry about off-roading if you’re just rolling through the road checkpoint in your big manly tank!
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Praying for counter encirclement. If the Ukrainian army can keep their head and hold their flanks the Russian encircling troops are gonna find themselves way, way out beyond supply or reinforcement. The whole spearhead could collapse.
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Ikasuhito posted:The russians did win the Winter War. Right now they are still likely to win in the long run so maybe it will be Winter War 2. But who knows at this point.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:
Okay this will be my last post on this but thats the problem? People can post war crimes (fine, thats news) go "wow. badass/hilarious/serves them right" (extremely bad!) but this rule would come into effect when someone says "no thats not cool, its a war crime" because thats an 'interpretation of the geneva convention.' if the rule is around the geneva convention the rule is "dont call things war crimes." this thread needs more informative posts like dantes, not less
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Ikasuhito posted:The russians did win the Winter War. They won but they lost orders of magnitude more soldiers than they're going to be able to do here.
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Nessus posted:DeSantis is addressing the philosophical, platonic Ideal of France, which is only accessible to Real Americans, as opposed to the mere accidents of whatever they're doing right now. Please disregard that this platonic ideal was formed approximately eighteen years ago; it was, in fact, an eternal truth, extending to time immemorial and into the indefinite future. Methanyanne.
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Varinn posted:Okay this will be my last post on this but thats the problem? People can post war crimes (fine, thats news) go "wow. badass/hilarious/serves them right" (extremely bad!) but this rule would come into effect when someone says "no thats not cool, its a war crime" because thats an 'interpretation of the geneva convention.' I agree with this post. The various cheerleading and/or suggestions to ignore the good guys doing war crimes because they're the good guys is extremely gross, and shutting down opposition to it is gross as well.
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Alchenar posted:Okay now we are past 'warcrimes bad' I think the interesting observation here is that in the last 24 hours we've seen Ukranian public messaging start to fall apart a bit. It's looking less centrally coordinated, different military units are writing their own stuff and putting it up on Facebook and it's getting very hit-and-miss and certainly a lot more cuthroat. Probably parallels the state of the war somewhat. It’s a little unhelpful that this fellow didn’t actually provide a link to whatever he was taking about at FT. I’ll do his job for him: https://www.ft.com/content/433eb7e7-0c32-4c00-863a-9f1f9f294e9b quote:Turkey’s stance on Russian warships raises hope of reset in relations with west Per two western intelligence officers who spoke to FT
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TheRat posted:No, they're still winning even if it's horribly poorly executed and extremely costly. If they somehow manage to lose as well, then yea.
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