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Actually at any given moment in time there are genuine cancer cells in your body. It's just that they end up getting properly dunked on by your body's apoptosis machine or they kill themselves or just don't do anything and die off. I think a big problem is that everyone envisions infections as some sort of ice nine strange matter poo poo where just a single viron getting in means it's all ogre. That's not how biology works.
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T-Paine posted:wait are people even here doing the "it doesn't protect 100% of the time, therefore useless" thing? gently caress Nah. They can reduce your exposure by factors of hundreds or thousands. This easily brings the true risk of COVID at the zoo to less than the risk of a fatal car crash on the way there. I do all kinds of unnecessary stuff in my respirator, like foregoing curbside pickup to get good produce or visiting museums. Respirators are great, but let’s not make up myths about them.
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I only wear respirators made of 3 angstrom zeolite molecular sieves. Jokes on you, if water can't penetrate it than neither can droplets.
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Asproigerosis posted:Actually at any given moment in time there are genuine cancer cells in your body. It's just that they end up getting properly dunked on by your body's apoptosis machine or they kill themselves or just don't do anything and die off. I think a big problem is that everyone envisions infections as some sort of ice nine strange matter poo poo where just a single viron getting in means it's all ogre. That's not how biology works. The single‐hit hypothesis is biologically plausible.
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zegermans posted:they release positrons, not ionizing radiation. im not a science man but I think if a positron hits an electron it's gonna mess up that atom
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kreeningsons posted:this is kinda where I’m at and if someone can explain to me how the small but in my opinion not insignificant number of extremely disciplined respirator crew posters managed to get covid, and how to prevent that for myself besides avoiding unnecessary social interaction, then sure I’ll loving live it up in my P100 them getting exposed via fomite is more likely than it penetrating their well fitting respirator
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T-Paine posted:wait are people even here doing the "it doesn't protect 100% of the time, therefore useless" thing? gently caress i'm not seeing any posts suggesting that i'm seeing posts that suggest that some other posts are suggesting that, but not seeing posts suggesting that
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Rutibex posted:im not a science man but I think if a positron hits an electron it's gonna mess up that atom neither of those are real depending on the speed
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hrm a quick wiki perusal indicates I'm completely wrong, which is possibly a first
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Respirators make it so that COVID has to roll two natural 20's to get in.
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kreeningsons posted:this is kinda where I’m at and if someone can explain to me how the small but in my opinion not insignificant number of extremely disciplined respirator crew posters managed to get covid, and how to prevent that for myself besides avoiding unnecessary social interaction, then sure I’ll loving live it up in my P100 They probably didn’t get infected through their respirators. It’s physically possible, but even with the numbers of respiratory crew present here, more likely than not, it’s not actually happened to any of us. Maybe they got gotten by fomites or while outside and unmasked or in their own cars or drifting in an open window. These are all very unlikely, but so is respirator penetration leading to infection.
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Pingui posted:While you can gently caress in a respirator, you really can't suck. didn’t the mass effect people figure this out
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Platystemon posted:Nah. I must have worded that post poorly because I agree with all this, I've heard too many times irl that "masking doesn't do anything anyway" by the worst people
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Leonardi is tweeting about BA2 causing another wave. Hackles status: raising. I was still in wait and see mode w/ Pillowpants’ data and people like the @Gab_H_R account going on about it. @DrEricDing tweeted about the rising prevalence of BA2, that it’s “not good”, that it has wrecked hong kong and increased hospitalizations in england. But he stopped short of saying there will be a wave. I am listing the account names for whoever wanted accounts to follow. Others that are good: @wsbgnl @DGlaucomflecken @EricTopol @yaneerbaryam @jmcrookston @COVIDnewsfast
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I wouldn't be surprised if the respirator cavers that got covid either put themselves in incredibly dangerous situations out of hubris and/or were frauds that talked big game about their nerdsecureclicks but were still loving and sucking or had roommates/spouses/etc that were living biden and obviously weren't wearing elastomer 24/7. The notion that elastomer babies got covid because they were in sheetz with another human being at some point does not square with say how I've gone the whole pandemic so far scanning actual peak virility acute dying covid patients with several occasions where I only had a surgical mask as they breathed in my face without any mask and have still not had covid (claims void if I happened to have an asymptomatic case at some point). It is almost certain the 3M cosplayers that got covid hosed up at some point where the respirator was not a relevant factor anyway (ie their immoral interpersonal relationships)
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Platystemon posted:They probably didn’t get infected through their respirators. It’s physically possible, but even with the numbers of respiratory crew present here, more likely than not, it’s not actually happened to any of us. i still think its more likely they got fake filters from amazon than their filters didnt work
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Pingui posted:While you can gently caress in a respirator, you really can't suck. [COVID]
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Platystemon posted:The single‐hit hypothesis is biologically plausible. Yeah but so is the instantaneous creation of a black hole.
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for the record I do trust my respirator to reduce my risk of infection by hundreds or thousands and that’s why I don’t leave the house without it
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Rutibex posted:you could move to china Last I remember reading was that they don't allow permanent residents or naturalized citizens. Platystemon posted:Nah. Fair enough, I'll say ~0% instead of 0% in the future. I guess anything is possible. Never happened in 25 years at that Texas tuberculosis hospital though, so those are odds I'm comfortable with.
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Gotta layer your protections. Get vaccinated, wear the cave-adaptation dwarf mask, limit exposure.
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If anyone wants to hear either hopeful news or truly doomer news, right now in my hospital covid is at a post alpha low in cases. It's not a testing thing, as they haven't quite given up wasting money testing everyone that comes in the ED. So we're in for the most open biden spring since trump wasn't cheated out of his reelection.
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Nocturtle posted:Repeating some of my recent posts and apologies for the length, but summarized recent PASC studies for my own understanding and thought my notes might be of interest here. Would appreciate if people could point to any large scale studies of PASC impacts I missed.
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Didn't a lot of respirator crew say here that their job demanded they return to work, their loved ones were antivax, or something to the sort? Like, I remember one respirator crew member lamenting their kid's mom was refusing to let their son get vaxxed. I feel these factors probably had a lot to do with their infections. Heck, my roommates refused to not go over to their families for Christmas this year and only told me weeks later that one of the people there was literally openly sick and coughing with a running nose yet constantly ensuring them it wasn't COVID. Like, that and my job refusing to allow for WFH didn't help. Though, I only got infected back in 3/2020 before we knew it was on the Island. Well, known infection, I suppose.
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Covok posted:Didn't a lot of respirator crew say here that their job demanded they return to work, their loved ones were antivax, or something to the sort? Like, I remember one respirator crew member lamenting their kid's mom was refusing to let their son get vaxxed. I feel these factors probably had a lot to do with their infections. there are two diseases going around, covid and the brain-worms. you must avoid people carrying both to survive
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Covok posted:Didn't a lot of respirator crew say here that their job demanded they return to work, their loved ones were antivax, or something to the sort? Like, I remember one respirator crew member lamenting their kid's mom was refusing to let their son get vaxxed. I feel these factors probably had a lot to do with their infections. Yeah it's going to always be this stuff, where the fake crew swear up and down they were perfect in protection at all times and it was their respirator that failed them but also that Christmas dinner where cousin was headcold. In fact, it seems like all of these people were rightfully punished by the elastomer gods for not adhering to the Holy scripture of always trust your respirator and even the BLASPHEMY of saying it was the respirator that failed them! No, it was you that was found wanting.
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The way I try to look at it as someone who is on the high end of careful (and the high end of risk) by this thread's standards: A) There are millions and millions of people being less careful or way the gently caress less careful or way the gently caress more exposed than you who haven't caught it. B) There are plenty of people being even more careful than you who have. Yeah those same unlucky chances that caught them might get you. Your PPE might be defective or not fit properly one time, fomite or ocular introduction might be more common than we think since it's really not testable in the wild, someone you live with might gently caress up because they're slightly less careful than you, you might have a medical procedure that makes wearing PPE the entire time impossible. You cannot control or eliminate all those risks, so eliminating the ones you CAN keeps the odds in your favor as much as possible for as long as possible. I've been in that same headspace a lot, not "Oh masks aren't perfect so why bother." but the "This is going to go on for the next decade how could I possibly avoid it the entire time no matter what I do." So for now I choose the fact that there's a certain unavoidable/unpredictable risk doesn't mean do nothing it means do everything else. At least holding out until either I get a bad dice roll or the situation changes enough that relaxing about it is reasonable.
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Asproigerosis posted:If anyone wants to hear either hopeful news or truly doomer news, right now in my hospital covid is at a post alpha low in cases. It's not a testing thing, as they haven't quite given up wasting money testing everyone that comes in the ED. So we're in for the most open biden spring since trump wasn't cheated out of his reelection. Sounds like a great time to ramp up mitigations and stamp out this virus for good! Assume that's precisely what our evidence-based CDC is recommending. Sorry, turns out they recommend maximizing exposure when hospital cases are low. My mistake!
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oh, hey. half of americans having brain damage from leaded gasoline is pnas official now. i couldn’t sleep last night after reading this. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2118631119 Half of US population exposed to adverse lead levels in early childhood The average lead-linked loss in cognitive ability was 2.6 IQ points per person as of 2015. This amounted to a total loss of 824,097,690 IQ points, disproportionately endured by those born between 1951 and 1980.
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Ok, so Despite Tuesday being deemed the "10% of hospitals just dont report anything COVID day" https://twitter.com/patricklsimpson/status/1501186435814023168?s=20&t=0GVrtOUOz4-bKKwpRAch5w In terms of overall hospitalizations, despite 500 less hospitals and 42000 less hospitalizations nationwide, increases were still happen in NM, MD/DE, LA, RI/VT https://twitter.com/patricklsimpson/status/1501186435814023168?s=20&t=0GVrtOUOz4-bKKwpRAch5w In terms of COVID Hospitalizations, same Caveat https://twitter.com/patricklsimpson/status/1501198435847864320?s=20&t=0GVrtOUOz4-bKKwpRAch5w Tomorrow will have a better picture - with the Nowcast BA.2 update later today and Wednesday being the best hospital reporting day.
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Asproigerosis posted:Yeah but so is the instantaneous creation of a black hole. A black hole is pretty much where biology stops being biology and starts being physics. Anyway, I will say that I think the single‐hit model is most plausible for viral infections of naive hosts. When bacteria (like TB) or serum antibodies become involved, yeah, it probably breaks down. When neutralizing antibodies are present, even at low concentration, there may be a sort of reciprocity failure. Getting hit with a thousand virions all at once is probably worse than getting one per day for three years. That’s just my opinion, though. If we had solid evidence for one model or another, they wouldn’t all be hypotheses still.
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Rauros posted:oh, hey. half of americans having brain damage from leaded gasoline is pnas official now. i couldn’t sleep last night after reading this.  no wonder the boomers are so dumb. this explains our entire society
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Asproigerosis posted:In fact, it seems like all of these people were rightfully punished by the elastomer gods for not adhering to the Holy scripture of always trust your respirator and even the BLASPHEMY of saying it was the respirator that failed them! No, it was you that was found wanting. Respirators cannot fail, they can only be failed. But for real and not as a bit. Now to oil and brush my long, luxuriant goonbeard.
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Asproigerosis posted:I wouldn't be surprised if the respirator cavers that got covid either put themselves in incredibly dangerous situations out of hubris and/or were frauds that talked big game about their nerdsecureclicks but were still loving and sucking or had roommates/spouses/etc that were living biden and obviously weren't wearing elastomer 24/7. you've been micro dosiong, keeping your immunity system strong
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Loucks posted:Respirators cannot fail, they can only be failed. But for real and not as a bit. 
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Rauros posted:oh, hey. half of americans having brain damage from leaded gasoline is pnas official now. i couldn’t sleep last night after reading this. It was well known when leaded gasoline was invented that lead was extremely toxic, too, so the guy who invented it went through all sorts of lengths to disassociate from that, including calling it "ethyl gasoline" and doing a bit where he poured a bunch on his hands to prove it was safe (and then got a bunch of chelation therapy). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr. We've always been a country of utter bastards.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:It was well known when leaded gasoline was invented that lead was extremely toxic, too, so the guy who invented it went through all sorts of lengths to disassociate from that, including calling it "ethyl gasoline" and doing a bit where he poured a bunch on his hands to prove it was safe (and then got a bunch of chelation therapy). his death is the best
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Radirot posted:his death is the best lol I forgot about that "In 1940, at the age of 51, Midgley contracted polio, which left him severely disabled. He devised an elaborate system of ropes and pulleys to lift himself out of bed. In 1944, he became entangled in the device and died of strangulation."
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